Who are the best players who bet their own?
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Bet My Own
I always bet my own money because I don't want to split the winnings with anyone (except my wife, that is, but she makes me split it with her
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Doug Talbot
"the White Elephant"
I always bet my own money because I don't want to split the winnings with anyone (except my wife, that is, but she makes me split it with her
)Doug Talbot
"the White Elephant"
If I were good enough to be backed, I would definitely want to be. It's a no-lose situation for the player. Where as the player has to win about 75% of the time for the backer to just break even, the player only has to win once for himself to come out ahead (assuming approximately a 50/50 split and equal montetary values on the wins and the losses).
To answer the original question, only an A or above player will usually be backed. And to get to that point, I think most of the guys played on their own cash. Only after they have proven their ability in pressure situations and became an A or open player will they have earned the "right" to be backed.
Sounds like you need more practice BP9B
To answer the original question, only an A or above player will usually be backed. And to get to that point, I think most of the guys played on their own cash. Only after they have proven their ability in pressure situations and became an A or open player will they have earned the "right" to be backed.
Sounds like you need more practice BP9B
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Rickw said:
CJ's biggest action days may be behind him, but he does still own the room in Texas. In his biggest action days, Jose Parica once commented to him, in 1997 I think, that there weren't enough tournaments for pros to play in, CJ's memorable reply was "there's a 20,000 added event every night of the week in my room in Texas." Of course, that's code language for "Come to my room any night and we'll play for 20,000."
If I recall it correctly, Parica dropped by a few weeks later, offering CJ four games on the wire on a race to twenty one, and they broke even playing for huge stakes.
You tellum
I couldn't agree more FS. John Jr. inherited his heart from BOTH his parents. There is no one on the planet with any more gamble than John Drew Hagar. It all plays. And, John is subject to let it all play on one game. That's heart, my friend.
fluidstroke said:
I couldn't agree more FS. John Jr. inherited his heart from BOTH his parents. There is no one on the planet with any more gamble than John Drew Hagar. It all plays. And, John is subject to let it all play on one game. That's heart, my friend.
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I have seen a few players who consistantly played with their own cash. First guy that comes to mind is Mark Tadd, I never seen him with a playing with a stakehorse, although I am sure he has. Morro would also play on his own dime, but he had some high profile backers as well, Keifer Sutherland backed him against Kim Davenport for 10k once. Ernesto Dominguez would play with his own money as well. Billy Incardona was also a player known to play on his on dime for high stakes.
hemicudas said:
Hi hemicudas,
I watched a Scott Frost play a young man named "Little John" some one hole in Vegas. Is this the same guy? He was in his early twenties. Perhaps six foot, a little heavy and wore a lot of gold. A railbird told me he was playing Scott $500 a rack out of his pocket to start. He then added the "kid" always bets his own money regardless of the amount.
To me, it doesn't matter if I'm playing with my own money or a stake horse, I just want to play and win the money. I've played for $1,000 a set knowing that if I win, I'd get maybe a hundred bucks. I've bowled for $500 a game and came out 3 games ahead and got $200. Of course, it's not always like that but when my pockets are empty, 10% of something is better than 100% of nothing. I've also turned down games where I felt the stake horse was intentionally taking advantage of me. But at times, I've taken the game to a stake horse because I wanted to play and when it was over, I accepted what he gave me with no bitter feelings. If I got my own money, I put it all in action, definitely not afraid to bet my own. So, in my opinion, for what it's worth, 2 Dollar Bob is the best money player I've ever seen. Who's that? I got no idea but if I run into him, he's bettin' at least 5! 
I don't know about the Lil John you are referring to, but there's one around here in MS that just played a road player named Wayne for $1K in a set of one pocket and 9ball. He ended up losing $3K. Two days later he called Wayne and wanted to play a set of 9ball for $25K. Wayne was looking for a backer because his backer here didn't have the cash. Come to think about it, I wonder if Lil John happened to have a backer. I mean who has $25K to just gamble?
manlyshot said:
Harry Platis he's playing on the money he won from defending people, Funny
sharandrew said:
I would hardly refer to that as a "win" in the same sense of the word you are trying to play on. Not only has Harry acheived a level of play, as well as the smarts to know how to match up most the time, he happens to have worked his ass off in a field that is extremely cut throat. Think it isn't so? Just ask any of the lame ducks in Seattle how much they currently owe Harry? He didn't have it to lend because he's been spending his time waiting for the next fish to swim in - so he can "steal" money off some idiot who has too much ego and not enough game. Maybe you ought to sign up for a game - willing to bet your own money? The same money you happened to "win" off whoever employs you or whatever business you're in? Or the same money you stole off the last dead fish?
Not hardly funny really - there is no comparison!
And why is it that some people feel compelled to belittle successful people? Seems to be the norm with pool players? Any opinions? Do pool players want to believe that someone just got luckier in life than they did? Other people just "beat" them to the "big" score? IMO - Life is what you make it - there is no luck or chance involved even in 9-ball!!!
Betting your own cheese
> I personally can't make a ball on someone else's dime,too worried about them losing their money and faith in me,but nowhere near as concerned about losing my own and play much better as a result,booking far more winners than I have with a backer. Lil' John has some kind of hot tamale business or something to that effect that allows him to bet 5000 a set REGULARLY,and says more pool players should do the same thing if it will make more people BET THEIR OWN! It's probably a good thing I don't have wealthy parents or a great paying side business,or people would be lined up around the block to play me races to 13 for 1000 EVEN,I have too much pride to haggle for even a gram of weight,and anyone good enough to know I need it will offer it. Tommy D.
> I personally can't make a ball on someone else's dime,too worried about them losing their money and faith in me,but nowhere near as concerned about losing my own and play much better as a result,booking far more winners than I have with a backer. Lil' John has some kind of hot tamale business or something to that effect that allows him to bet 5000 a set REGULARLY,and says more pool players should do the same thing if it will make more people BET THEIR OWN! It's probably a good thing I don't have wealthy parents or a great paying side business,or people would be lined up around the block to play me races to 13 for 1000 EVEN,I have too much pride to haggle for even a gram of weight,and anyone good enough to know I need it will offer it. Tommy D.
Ernesto Dominguez plays on his own money, he's got alot of heart.
For some reason, I feel more pressure if someone is staking me to play $50 sets than me playing $100 sets on my own money. I feel more comfortable and relaxed betting my own dough. When I have someone backing me, I feel alot of pressure to perform at my top level, which doesn't always happen. When I bet on my own cash I have a tendency to get in the zone alot more often. It's not because of the pressure, but it's because I have a stronger desire to win the match....my opponent becomes my enemy and I hate him when I'm playing him.
For some reason, I feel more pressure if someone is staking me to play $50 sets than me playing $100 sets on my own money. I feel more comfortable and relaxed betting my own dough. When I have someone backing me, I feel alot of pressure to perform at my top level, which doesn't always happen. When I bet on my own cash I have a tendency to get in the zone alot more often. It's not because of the pressure, but it's because I have a stronger desire to win the match....my opponent becomes my enemy and I hate him when I'm playing him.