Who made the first jump shot ? Cue ?
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Nope. Huebler, Joss, Meucci all made Jump cues and Meucci put out a tape with Sammy Jones teaching people to jump.
Only when jump cues got really effective, like chalk did for tips, did people start whining.
Jumping with ANY cue is a skill. Modern jump cues make jumping possible just like a chalked tip makes spin possible. Neither one takes the shot for the player.
When a jump shot is played ALL of the factors for a pool shot are still present, speed and spin have to be chosen AND the player has to add trajectory to the mix so jumping is actually HARDER than a regular pool shot.
Then you have jump bank shots, jump kicks and jump masse' shots.
Only when jump cues got really effective, like chalk did for tips, did people start whining.
Jumping with ANY cue is a skill. Modern jump cues make jumping possible just like a chalked tip makes spin possible. Neither one takes the shot for the player.
When a jump shot is played ALL of the factors for a pool shot are still present, speed and spin have to be chosen AND the player has to add trajectory to the mix so jumping is actually HARDER than a regular pool shot.
Then you have jump bank shots, jump kicks and jump masse' shots.
Kim Davenport had a Gus Szamboti jump cue.
Mace was the first break-jump cue, I think.
Eddies 747 was the first phenolic ferrule jump cue , I think.
Mace was the first break-jump cue, I think.
Eddies 747 was the first phenolic ferrule jump cue , I think.
I think Sammy Jones was the first player who started jumping with the shaft in 9 ball tournaments.
Everyone started following suit using a shaft for jumping. When it was deemed illegal to use the shaft for jumping --- the reason given was that the shaft alone did not constitute a pool cue --- the jump rod was invented because it loosely resembled a cue. But eventually, the rod was deemed illegal because the diameter of the rod was huge -- something like 17mm, and it didn't have a tip, so it was considered not to be a pool cue.
The jump cue was then invented to adhere to pool cue specs of having a tip, butt and proper shaft. However, that too was deemed illegal because it was too short.
New rules surfaced stating that a jump cue must be like a pool cue and be at least 40 inches long and new jump cues were created to the new length rules.
Everyone started following suit using a shaft for jumping. When it was deemed illegal to use the shaft for jumping --- the reason given was that the shaft alone did not constitute a pool cue --- the jump rod was invented because it loosely resembled a cue. But eventually, the rod was deemed illegal because the diameter of the rod was huge -- something like 17mm, and it didn't have a tip, so it was considered not to be a pool cue.
The jump cue was then invented to adhere to pool cue specs of having a tip, butt and proper shaft. However, that too was deemed illegal because it was too short.
New rules surfaced stating that a jump cue must be like a pool cue and be at least 40 inches long and new jump cues were created to the new length rules.
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As far as I know Pat Fleming discovered jumping with a shaft. Meucci made the first jump cue which was actually a regular shaft and a short butt. Now big time cuemaker Ed Prewitt made the first "rod" style jump cue which was wooden with the Eddie's 747 jump cue. Couple others followed with metal rods and 15mm phenolic tips.
Then the McDermott Tour made the 41" rule and it was later adopted by the BCA and WPA. The modern jump cue with a regular shaft, thin butt and phenolic or super hard tip was then invented in the mid 90s and has remained in about the same format ever since.
Source: I created the Bunjee Jumper Jump Cue brand in 1998 based on the type of jump cue invented by Hans Joerg Bertram in Germany. I sold 400 of them at the VNEA/BCA nationals that year and thousands after that. At one time I owned more than 25 different jump cues from all eras, as well as every kind of cueball I could find to test them all out.
I gave away the Bunjee brand in 2003. It was later purchased by Frank's Center who owns it today.
Urban legend???
I have heard Earl Strickland tell a story, that HE was the first to use the jump shot. He claims he fired one in against Lassiter early in his career, and Wimpy balked big time. Earl pressed the rules, the ref deemed it a legal shot.
Now, whether or not thats true, who knows. But it is a nice story, that would have been funny as hell to see. Kind of like that movie Semi-Pro when the Jackie Moon 'invents' the alley oop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4zjIzj0nHM
I have heard Earl Strickland tell a story, that HE was the first to use the jump shot. He claims he fired one in against Lassiter early in his career, and Wimpy balked big time. Earl pressed the rules, the ref deemed it a legal shot.
Now, whether or not thats true, who knows. But it is a nice story, that would have been funny as hell to see. Kind of like that movie Semi-Pro when the Jackie Moon 'invents' the alley oop.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4zjIzj0nHM
That's awesome, never seen that movie. Earl - jump shot - could be a real thing. I actually have heard something similar like Earl was the first guy to push to a jump shot.
Marcus Collier - 09-30-2004, 05:20 PM
Marcus Collier, the greatest Bumper Pool player that ever lived, use to carry a bumper pool cue with him for jumping balls on the pool table back in the early 1970s. This idea stuck in the minds of a few people and one of them decided to put a larger tip on it and sell it as a jump cue. TRIH..............................$Bill
Marcus Collier, the greatest Bumper Pool player that ever lived, use to carry a bumper pool cue with him for jumping balls on the pool table back in the early 1970s. This idea stuck in the minds of a few people and one of them decided to put a larger tip on it and sell it as a jump cue. TRIH..............................$Bill
Marcus may have done that but the larger than 13mm tips for jump cues didn't start until the early 90s.
Larger leather tips wouldn't have done anything to help the cue jump better. AFAIK no one was selling pure jump cues other than Joss and Meucci in the late 80s.
I made my own "jump" handle modeled after the Joss handle around 1990 by crudely forcing a pin into a dowel.
Earl made the first televised jump shot against the Miz, with a full length cue.
PS, there were no jump cues at the time, they came around later.
PS, there were no jump cues at the time, they came around later.
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First Jump Shot
As I remember Sammy Jones was the first I heard of jumping balls. He used a full cue if my memory serves me right.
As I remember Sammy Jones was the first I heard of jumping balls. He used a full cue if my memory serves me right.
According to Robert Byrne's book Wonderful World of Pool and Billiards: A Cornucopia of Instruction, Strategy, Anecdote, and Colorful Characters, Pat Fleming came up with shorty jump cue. Apparently he kept a balsa wood handle on it to conceal his new invention, while letting everyone think he mastered jumping.
www.amazon.com/gp/product/0151001669
www.amazon.com/gp/product/0151001669
Here is the video with Earl talking about the jump shots he made on Wimpy. :thumbup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQAVxK6TttA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQAVxK6TttA
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I saw a full ball jump when Earl was three years old....
...and I'm sure that wasn't the first one.
Partial ball jumps were fairly common.
Charles Peterson was using them as early as the 1920s. In trick shot exhibitions...
....and I doubt he was the first.
In the late 80s, it got a little stupid, people were having special joint protectors made, and
jumping with the butt only.
...and I'm sure that wasn't the first one.
Partial ball jumps were fairly common.
Charles Peterson was using them as early as the 1920s. In trick shot exhibitions...
....and I doubt he was the first.
In the late 80s, it got a little stupid, people were having special joint protectors made, and
jumping with the butt only.
Bullwinkle,,,no contest !!!!!!!!!!!
Sammy and Pat are widely considered to be modern pioneers of the jump shot, however, the jump shot ( and using a full length cue for it ) has been around for several hundred years. It's documented in some of the earliest known billiard books. It has been banned and re-allowed many times.
