Who says barbox 8-ball is harder than 9-foot?

Poolmanis said:
It was played on Shooter´s pool Billiard simulation where I am worse than real life because you have to control speed on mouse speed and it does not have feel what playing on real cue and balls give.
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I particularly enjoyed this part. I guess humility is not your strong suit either. The strongest players on this site in my eyes are the ones who don't talk the talk, but they still walk the walk.

If you have to tell everyone how good you are, then just how good can you be? Look up a quote from Walter Payton on the subject.

Nobody, I mean nobody likes a FIGJAM!
 
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Hey I don’t think this is gonna be played remotely on a simulator lmao
 
It depends on the strengths of the player. I have found that Straight pool specialists tend to be excellent bar box 8 ball players, where as shot makers tend to be better on a 9 foot table where tight position and cluster breaking is less of an issue.
 
Poolmanis said:
I played this year also in team league 8ball because(after 20+ years not doing it :)) they asked me to reinforce their team. They want to get Vegas. I think I have played around 40 racks and missed one jump. So it is not just simulation .. I just claim game is easier than 9-foot overall.
pocketing balls is a lot easier and bumpin to balls is easier because they are close etc.. Speed is easier to judge because travel distance is less. Those things make game overall easier than 9-footers even you get little more complicated racks.
One thing is if it is played on bad table, balls and bad racks then of course breaks are more dry and leaving horrible layouts. But it would be even more difficult on 9-footer if have same shitty conditions.
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iusedtoberich said:
Every game ever invented is easier on a 7' table. I still can't believe anyone thinks otherwise. The whole congestion thing being a limiting factor might come into play on something tiny like a toy 4' table. A 7' table still has miles of room to move around.

Pick a game, be it banks, 9 ball, one hole, 8 ball, straight pool, anything. Play some form of ghost on it for a few hours. The 7' scores will be way better than the 9' scores.
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Us players that play a lot on bar tables like to delude ourselves into thinking 8 ball is harder on a bar table. I agree it's not. It may be more complicated, but most amateurs will just miss way more balls on a 9 footer.

I do think there's a caveat based on the ruleset and the table specs on the 9 footer, but just for the elite players that basically never miss. About the only thing that can prevent their runouts is having to play an unrunable rack. This can happen more on a bar table than say on a 4.5" inch 9 footer with a template rack. Heck it would happen a lot on a 5 foot table too, but would that make it more difficult? I suppose maybe by definition.

So table, pocket specs, break box, and racking method all play a big role is determining which is most "difficult" for pros.
 
BasementDweller said:
Us players that play a lot on bar tables like to delude ourselves into thinking 8 ball is harder on a bar table. I agree it's not. It may be more complicated, but most amateurs will just miss way more balls on a 9 footer.

I do think there's a caveat based on the ruleset and the table specs on the 9 footer, but just for the elite players that basically never miss. About the only thing that can prevent their runouts is having to play an unrunable rack. This can happen more on a bar table than say on a 4.5" inch 9 footer with a template rack. Heck it would happen a lot on a 5 foot table too, but would that make it more difficult? I suppose maybe by definition.

So table, pocket specs, break box, and racking method all play a big role is determining which is most "difficult" for pros.
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As an extreme example of the elite player that would maybe fair better on a 9 footer than a bar table, consider Jason Shaw's record 14.1 run. I know it's a different game, but would he be able to run 700 balls on a Diamond bar table? I doubt it. Running 100's would be a cinch for him, but I think he'd eventually get the balls all locked up after the break and not have a shot. I could be wrong though.

Pros never missing on a bar table makes it a moot point for me because I don't care if it's definitionally more difficult, because if they never miss, the game's make to miss ratio is so out of balance that the game becomes pointless.
 
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freds said:
I play a lot of 9 foot 8 ball. When I do end up on the 7 ft Valley, I ran out more than twice as often. Because:
  • My break is poor, I'm maybe 60% to make a ball on the Gold Crown, but >80% on the bar box.
  • As IUTBR posted above - it's just easier to make balls on the small table; no long shots, pockets w/no shelves.
  • So because of 2, breaking up clusters is easier - you're more likely to have some kind of makeable shot since almost anything you can see is makeable. Plus it's easier to hit things since you're always closer.
Disclaimer: I have never played on a Diamond bar box. And I'm nowhere as good as Good Players, I play a bit south of 600. So Mike Page's theory applies as well.
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You clearly can't play, period. I bet your "double run out" on a BB is 2 per hundred instead of 1.

You yourself said you're 60% to make a ball on a 9' - id venture a guess you're more like a 425 - 450 fargo than "just under 600"
 
A few hours gives the big table/small table bounce. You shoot like a god. Play only bar table for a few nights and that goes away.

The main deal on a bar table is your opponent. A top opponent may crush you the rest of the night for one mistake with you never getting another real opportunity. That is true a lot less often on a nine footer.

The game may be easier on a barbox but the win isn’t.

Old eyes and old bones, I play like shit on a real table. On a simulator a few years back I was so strong that super users with special access assumed i was one of them and let the puddycat out of the bag!

To be blunt, simulator play has little to do with real world play.

Hu
 
9 foot 8-ball is either break and run out or one inning for me. Bar box you need to have cluster management skills and thats not only just breaking them up but hitting the cluster right to get the ball to move the way you want it.
 
8b on a 7ft table is absolutely different than 8b played on a 9ft

The congestion on the 7 footer requires us to be more surgical but you dont have to be as perfect on shape because you are more likely to pot most any shot you can see.

And yes, more defense will come into play as well as cluster management / breakout considerations.

Finally, is it apa 4s or 7s or shortstops or pros because there will be different answers just based on that question alone?
 
Wow, this thing went sideways, in a hurry. I don’t think poolmanis was bragging or talking trash. He was just disputing the statement “8 ball is easier on a 9”. No idea why so many got butt hurt. Have you seen this guy shoot? He’s not saying anything he can’t backup. Read Mike's post again. Depending on your skill set, you might get out more often on a nine. Not the case for poolmanis. He runs racks like water, on both, it’s just easier on a 7.
 
Fore Rail said:
I particularly enjoyed this part. I guess humility is not your strong suit either. The strongest players on this site in my eyes are the ones who don't talk the talk, but they still walk the walk.

If you have to tell everyone how good you are, then just how good can you be? Look up a quote from Walter Payton on the subject.

Nobody, I mean nobody likes a FIGJAM!
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Ever watched his videos??? Believe me, he can back it up. Dude can flat play.
 
Jimmorrison said:
Wow, this thing went sideways, in a hurry. I don’t think poolmanis was bragging or talking trash. He was just disputing the statement “8 ball is easier on a 9”. No idea why so many got butt hurt. Have you seen this guy shoot? He’s not saying anything he can’t backup. Read Mike's post again. Depending on your skill set, you might get out more often on a nine. Not the case for poolmanis. He runs racks like water, on both, it’s just easier on a 7.
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say what? its easier to shoot the balls on a 7ft???
did the simulator tell him that ?
 
Jimmorrison said:
Wow, this thing went sideways, in a hurry. I don’t think poolmanis was bragging or talking trash. He was just disputing the statement “8 ball is easier on a 9”. No idea why so many got butt hurt. Have you seen this guy shoot? He’s not saying anything he can’t backup. Read Mike's post again. Depending on your skill set, you might get out more often on a nine. Not the case for poolmanis. He runs racks like water, on both, it’s just easier on a 7.
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Yeah. I was very happy about the match i had but it was just stats what i never get on 9ft table. Real or simulation.
Point of thread was just to claim that 7-foot play is easier than 9-footer. I read all the time here AZB how barbox 8-ball is harder game than on 9-footer.
I don't think it is. That's all.
 
Fore Rail said:
I particularly enjoyed this part. I guess humility is not your strong suit either. The strongest players on this site in my eyes are the ones who don't talk the talk, but they still walk the walk.

If you have to tell everyone how good you are, then just how good can you be? Look up a quote from Walter Payton on the subject.

Nobody, I mean nobody likes a FIGJAM!
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I just said how it is. There are a lot of real life players playing that game and they all say that game is harder than playing real life. I mostly play and learn 3-cushion there and usually play with old Korean guy who is 1.4 AVG player. He is under 1.0 on simulation.
 
I'm at the other end of the spectrum from all you good players, being just a poor to mediocre league hack. I've played 98-99% of my games on 9' tables, mostly fairly tight tables (Diamonds and Olhausens that have similarly small pockets). The few times I get to play on a 7' table, it throws me off. And I'm one to like the congested table game, as I'm far from a run-out player. I enjoy the chess match types of games, and rarely complain when we get a messy table after the break.

So it confounds me. This game always confounds me ;)
 
Poolmanis said:
I have done 10-pack in 8-ball in competition on 9-footer. I don't have access to make a video on 7-foot table but im pretty sure with quality balls and rack and couple days i could make it.
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That’s just the thing tho
For most everyone it’s not played on new equipment with nice shiney balls that spread all over and open. That’s not standard 8b bar box conditions
 
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