Who says barbox 8-ball is harder than 9-foot?

Pidge said:
Past a certain ability level the size of the table makes very little difference.

As for what's harder - this is very subjective and as such I don't think there is an answer. It comes down to how you see each game. 9 ball forces you to see a smaller number of patterns where as 8 ball layouts are a different minefield. A bit like when I see pool players play snooker - they have all the ability in the world in most instance but they play snooker like a pool player which ultimately is their downfall. Same works in reverse too.

That's enough talk about this nonsense for now. Where did I puty golf clubs?
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Pidge….. nice to see you posting….I recall you as a snooker and straight pool player.
 
skogstokig said:
i've never heard a pro make the claim that it's harder on a barbox. but i think the main point is that for pro level players, 8-ball on any table is too easy. you have to throw in a wrench somehow to make it tougher, which is why promoters have stuff like short shot clock (ultimate pool) or rounded, tight pockets (heyball).
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I gotta say the majority of pros can kick butt in style on the toy tables. That's just the extra headroom exaggerated by the easy pocketing and the crude play of the masses. Those same pros need weight from the specialists in either discipline. So what are we talking about now?
 
pt109 said:
Jimmy Moore had a guy run 21 racks of 8- ball on him on a valley 7-foot in Pontiac MI for $2 a game…broke dry on the 22th break….
…..Jimmy paid him another $2 and walked out laughing.
Bobby Legg ran a 20 pack for a lot more money at his bar.
…..you don’t hear stories like this on 9-footers…..unless practising.

But size seemed to a factor when I had breakfast three days at a diner with a 3-6…..gave myself three tries every day to break and run……
……never got to the fifth ball in 9 tries.
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Ralph Souquet and I believe Thorsten claim runs nearly of nearly 30 of 8-ball on 9' tables. I think Ralph told me 27. But yes, practicing.

I watched Sigel do a 6-pack at the first IPT on a 9' Diamond when he was warming up (eventually losing to Efren by a lot) like it was a child's toy. He claims it was an 8-pack, which it very well could have been since I caught it mid way. But yes, that was practice.
 
Fore Rail said:
Damn hot in Vegas during the summer as well, but players flock there for VNEA Internationals, APA World Pool Championships etc. If anyone is going to a tournament venue for the weather, imo they are there for the very much the wrong reasons.

It's very warm or nice & cool inside take your pick.
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Never understood Vegas tournaments in August
 
Cornerman said:
Ralph Souquet and I believe Thorsten claim runs nearly of nearly 30 of 8-ball on 9' tables. I think Ralph told me 27. But yes, practicing.

I watched Sigel do a 6-pack at the first IPT on a 9' Diamond when he was warming up (eventually losing to Efren by a lot) like it was a child's toy. He claims it was an 8-pack, which it very well could have been since I caught it mid way. But yes, that was practice.
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8ball would be a lot more fun to watch on 9ft 4" Rasson...
 
straightline said:
Pool pockets could go 3.75 without bothering the Heyball guys.

Claiming for a friend...
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Well, the jaws of the pockets are the actual difference here...

Rubber round jaws can be forced at certain points, and some shots must be played in a certain fashion regarding action on the CB.

Square jaws also have their own knacks. 4" is the ideal size for 8/9/10 ball on the American table.

Chinese-8 ball is its own beast. I have played many professional Chinese-8 players where I am living, and with varying degrees of success. The only commonality is that they bitch and moan that square pockets are hard. Balls rattling and sitting in the jaws, or not being pocket in the manner they have become accustomed to. You take good players of the American game to the Chinese table, they bitch and moan about the round pockets.

One isn't easier than the other if you know the skills required for either.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Well, the jaws of the pockets are the actual difference here...

Rubber round jaws can be forced at certain points, and some shots must be played in a certain fashion regarding action on the CB.

Square jaws also have their own knacks. 4" is the ideal size for 8/9/10 ball on the American table.

Chinese-8 ball is its own beast. I have played many professional Chinese-8 players where I am living, and with varying degrees of success. The only commonality is that they bitch and moan that square pockets are hard. Balls rattling and sitting in the jaws, or not being pocket in the manner they have become accustomed to. You take good players of the American game to the Chinese table, they bitch and moan about the round pockets.

One isn't easier than the other if you know the skills required for either.
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New to me. I'll make sure friend gets the word. :D
You can make the jaws oversquare. To me it's the aperture only.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Well, the jaws of the pockets are the actual difference here...

Rubber round jaws can be forced at certain points, and some shots must be played in a certain fashion regarding action on the CB.

Square jaws also have their own knacks. 4" is the ideal size for 8/9/10 ball on the American table.

Chinese-8 ball is its own beast. I have played many professional Chinese-8 players where I am living, and with varying degrees of success. The only commonality is that they bitch and moan that square pockets are hard. Balls rattling and sitting in the jaws, or not being pocket in the manner they have become accustomed to. You take good players of the American game to the Chinese table, they bitch and moan about the round pockets.

One isn't easier than the other if you know the skills required for either.
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What I found on snooker tables too. They seem incredibly hard to a pool player until you find what the pockets will accept. Then snooker is only slightly harder than pool.

Hu
 
straightline said:
The part I care about is down the rail shots. Can't play pool without them.
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Learned the down the rail shots on the old ten footers then learned about helping English on a wickedly tight old snooker table after that they were bread and butter shots for many years.
 
ShootingArts said:
Learned the down the rail shots on the old ten footers then learned about helping English on a wickedly tight old snooker table after that they were bread and butter shots for many years.
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I used to bunt rail shots on a 10 footer with outside. They went but that was the extent of the shot. There's nothing you can do in the way of complete cue ball control.
 
ShootingArts said:
What I found on snooker tables too. They seem incredibly hard to a pool player until you find what the pockets will accept. Then snooker is only slightly harder than pool.

Hu
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Many years ago I watched Mike Masse play snooker on a 6x12 and it was quite impressive. He ran 3 big breaks in a row and the way he chipped at the pack for breakouts and his CB control was amazing. The best part of the day was when somebody cracked off about him doing one armed push-ups. He took off his suit jacket and got on the floor and one armed the push-ups with the other arm behind his back. That's tough to do for anybody let alone a big guy like Mike. The guy is a Legend
 
George the Greek said:
Many years ago I watched Mike Masse play snooker on a 6x12 and it was quite impressive. He ran 3 big breaks in a row and the way he chipped at the pack for breakouts and his CB control was amazing. The best part of the day was when somebody cracked off about him doing one armed push-ups. He took off his suit jacket and got on the floor and one armed the push-ups with the other arm behind his back. That's tough to do for anybody let alone a big guy like Mike. The guy is a Legend
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He hates the nickname but has been called Tennessee Tarzan. He dilslikes me for some reason I don’t know. The one time we played he was trying to play pro pool full time. We were both pups. He came out on top the short time we played.

I have no interest in fighting with him he is huge and very strong!

Hu
 
JPB2 said:
OK. Petri Makkonen is 794. Sounds like you rate yourself below him, but are competitive and can beat him sometimes. So in our simulation we will have you tour the US and play bar table 8 ball against guys around 750 FR, some lower. You will spend some time in the Midwest, TX, OK. Here’s my lineup for you.

Danny Olson, Chip Compton, Justin Hall, Shane McMinn, TJ Steinhaus, Jesse Engel, Jeremy Jones, John Gabriel, Charlie Bryant, Dustin Gunia, CJ Wiley, and at 700 for old times sake Dave Matlock.

How easy do you think it will be to have a winning record against that crew over a good amount of play? Easy game? That’s what I’m saying. That list eliminates SVB, Sky, Billy Thorpe, Pinegar, Steyer, Corey, and a few others with bar table experience. We could add guys like Rory Hendrickson and I’m sure others. So yeah, you may find it easier to break and run. But they will too.
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Great bar table players in an alternate break 8 ball format, have a much easier time beating a player like SVB.

Rory Hendrickson is a good example, as are many others.
Personally, I'm not intimidated to play any player in an alternate break format/tournament event on a box.
I play at a mid 600 level, but my board play from yrs ago, is still in the high 700's.
Board play, wins more game$ on a box than a big table.
bm
 
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ShootingArts said:
He hates the nickname but has been called Tennessee Tarzan. He dilslikes me for some reason I don’t know. The one time we played he was trying to play pro pool full time. We were both pups. He came out on top the short time we played.

I have no interest in fighting with him he is huge and very strong!

Hu
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I don't think I'd piss him off either lol.
 
ShootingArts said:
What I found on snooker tables too. They seem incredibly hard to a pool player until you find what the pockets will accept. Then snooker is only slightly harder than pool.

Hu
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This reminds me of some Olhausens I played on. I couldnt make a ball if I hit the center of the pocket facing coming down the rail. But i saw other people hitting *outside* of where my ball was hitting, and they were pocketing balls. So I switched to hitting more to the outside, and balls would fall. I found the same on the snooker tables I got on. There’s actually a sweet spot on the pocket, and there’s a spot closer the center of the pocket that a terrible chance to pocket the ball.
 
Flakeandrun said:
Well, the jaws of the pockets are the actual difference here...

Rubber round jaws can be forced at certain points, and some shots must be played in a certain fashion regarding action on the CB.

Square jaws also have their own knacks. 4" is the ideal size for 8/9/10 ball on the American table.

Chinese-8 ball is its own beast. I have played many professional Chinese-8 players where I am living, and with varying degrees of success. The only commonality is that they bitch and moan that square pockets are hard. Balls rattling and sitting in the jaws, or not being pocket in the manner they have become accustomed to. You take good players of the American game to the Chinese table, they bitch and moan about the round pockets.

One isn't easier than the other if you know the skills required for either.
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I’ve said this for years, but of course nobody believed me.
 
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