ATM is a very good local player.
But every time he lost he had to go to the ATM machine to get money.
Who was/is best all around pool player, still alive today?
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ATM is a very good local player.
But every time he lost he had to go to the ATM machine to get money.
I said it once; I'll say it again. If you saw Mike Sigel at his best-you saw the best. Never played the fancy shot, because he never had to. He missed an open shot or misplayed shape about once every blue moon. He dominated when Efren was in his prime. I'd vote for Efren as the most spectacular player, because he made shots others couldn't see or think about. But if you didn't get Sigel early in the tournament- you didn't get him at all.
JJ isn’t top 4 in one pocket. Maybe top 8.
It's news to many of us that Harold Worst, according to you, is still alive
You might be correct but we will never know for sure.
Zero chance I put Scott or Tony in front of Jeremy just because they bet high. But they will never play each other.
Here's my current one pocket list:
1.) Alex
2.) Shane
3.) Dennis
Beyond that it's anyone's pick.
Do you agree with my top 3? If so who is your #4?
Thanks
Zero chance I put Scott or Tony in front of Jeremy just because they bet high. But they will never play each other.
Here's my current one pocket list:
1.) Alex
2.) Shane
3.) Dennis
Beyond that it's anyone's pick.
Do you agree with my top 3? If so who is your #4?
Thanks
This is sort of beating a dead horse, but it seems that everyone who actually was into pool in the majority of the 80’s has picked Sigel or Varner over Efren. I would think that would be enough for everyone, but we get a lot of people who never saw them in their prime saying otherwise.
Pool players are mind boggling.
Next DCC, I will make a special bet for you, and offer you a list of 10 players, excluding Alex, Shane, Dennis, to go further than JJ, even money
Ha ha, well, that is why we all have a voice here
Efren
Parica
Strickland
Buddy Hall
Varner
Sigel
Pagulayan
Busty
Dualton
Thorpe
Well JJ is more accomplished in every game over Thorpe. I'll bet on JJ playing him one pocket every time. Banks and 9 ball is gambling.
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Is there any place to find the full 50, I guess I wasn't old enough at the time to realize that Jean Balukas beats Earl, Efren, Buddy, Hopkins and who ever else fills out the last 35. I could be wrong but it sounds like the BD was written by Walt Disney...around the same time as the Blue Books cause thats the biggest fantasy thats ever came down the pike :thud:
Posted by PoolBum in 2011:
50. Jersey Red
49. Allen Gilbert
48. Jeanette Lee
47. Jimmy Moore
46. Dorothy Wise
45. Otto Reiselt
44. Babe Cranfield
43. Lou Butera
42. John Horgan
41. Cisero Murphy
40. Jerome Keogh
39. Allen Hopkins
38. Dallas West
37. Jim Rempe
36. George Sutton
35. Charlie Peterson
34. Robert Cannefax
33. Bennie Allen
32. Ray Martin
31. Ruth McGinnis
30. Johnny Archer
29. Efren Reyes
28. Loree Jon Jones
27. Buddy Hall
26. Larry Johnson (Boston Shorty)
25. Eddie Taylor
24. Jake Shaefer
23. Thomas Hueston
22. Andrew Ponzi
21. Welker Cochran
20. Erwin Rudolph
19. Harold Worst
18. Allison Fisher
17. Earl Strickland
16. Joe Balsis
15. Jean Balukas
14. Nick Varner
13. Johnny Layton
12. Jake Shaefer Jr.
11. Sang Lee
10. Jimmy Caras
9. Luther Lassiter
8. Irving Crane
7. Frank Taberski
6. Steve Mizerak
5. Mike Sigel
4. Alfredo De Oro
3. Ralph Greenleaf
2. Willie Mosconi
1. Willie Hoppe
Here’a Thread started a few years back....by some bum...
......note post #4
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=241035
Ahhhhhh that explains it, I was wondering what the criteria was and figured it was an "on paper" type thing.
He's a bum, get him out of here!
From the original thread...
Here is what they said about their criteria and method:
"The list, compiled by a select group of historians and writers, ranks these 50 players based on one superlative quality: dominance. That dominance can be measured in several ways: tournaments won, ranking among peers, mastery of several billiard disciplines, and/or the quality of competition during that player's era.
"While attempting to rate men and women of different eras in the same poll, this panel followed two basic criteria: judge players within their time, and within their context. In other words, the list does not conclude that the 35th ranked player could beat the 45th ranked player in head-to-head competition. It merely means that the 35th ranked player had a more impressive total career, within his or her time and context."
As noted, that was a list "compiled by a select group of historians and writers." It was a big feature for Billiards Digest. They spread the list out over 4 issues of the magazine -- a "countdown" format. And a key selection criterion was that "all players had to have defined their careers in the United States." They also listed another 25 players, in alphabetical order -- "25 Who Barely Missed the Cut."
And then, in the next issue after the countdown, BD presented the results of a people's choice poll they conducted -- 2,400 fans voting on the BD interactive website over a 3-month period. Apparently each fan could vote for his or her top 10 players. The resulting list has 100 players; the top 25 were as follows:
1. Reyes, Efren (1,392 votes)
2. Mosconi, Willie
3. Sigel, Mike
4. Hoppe, Willie
5. Mizerak, Steve
6. Greenleaf, Ralph
7. Fisher, Allison
8. Crane, Irving
9. Strickland, Earl
10. Lassiter, Luther
11. Parica, Jose
12. Balukas, Jean
13. Archer, Johnny
14. Varner, Nick
15. Hall, Buddy
16. Caras, Jimmy
17. Lee, Jennifer
18. D'Oro, Alfredo
19. Balsis, Joe
20. Worst, Harold
T21. Canton, Joe
T21. Lebron, Mike
23. Rempe, Jim
24. Lee, Sang Chun
25. Mataya-Laurance, Ewa (187 votes)
[McCready was tied for 85th (44 votes).]
And then, in the next issue after the countdown, BD presented the results of a people's choice poll they conducted -- 2,400 fans voting on the BD interactive website over a 3-month period. Apparently each fan could vote for his or her top 10 players. The resulting list has 100 players; the top 25 were as follows:
1. Reyes, Efren (1,392 votes)
2. Mosconi, Willie
3. Sigel, Mike
4. Hoppe, Willie
5. Mizerak, Steve
6. Greenleaf, Ralph
7. Fisher, Allison
8. Crane, Irving
9. Strickland, Earl
10. Lassiter, Luther
11. Parica, Jose
12. Balukas, Jean
13. Archer, Johnny
14. Varner, Nick
15. Hall, Buddy
16. Caras, Jimmy
17. Lee, Jennifer
18. D'Oro, Alfredo
19. Balsis, Joe
20. Worst, Harold
T21. Canton, Joe
T21. Lebron, Mike
23. Rempe, Jim
24. Lee, Sang Chun
25. Mataya-Laurance, Ewa (187 votes)
[McCready was tied for 85th (44 votes).]
If the list was in 99 then a lot of the top guys now obviously weren’t in contention. Since there aren’t a ton of people alive that saw Mosconi and Hoppe play, as well as videos probably, they went off written records? People voting for their favorite player would be like a WWE list, it’s cool but don’t mean much other than popularity.
Are you sure you know what you are trying to say?
Next DCC, I will make a special bet for you, and offer you a list of 10 players, excluding Alex, Shane, Dennis, to go further than JJ, even money
Buddy Hall Beat Efren for the Cash and all the others too in the back room giving em weight for the lettuce. Buddy Beat Efren twice different years in the finals of the World One Pocket Championship. Everyone knows Buddy Hall had the best control of whitie and was a big time money player as well as winning many world titles. Buddy Hall he everything you could win.
I think Shaw's crybaby attitude will do him in. He is beginning to see things that aren't there.