Who won AZ 14.1 State Championships?

Prince said:
Jimmy and I would like to thank all the players/spectators who came out for this event. In the beginning, weren't sure how many players would participate in a straight pool event. We were pleasantly surprised when 42players showed up on Saturday morning. So, thanks to each and every one of you, including all of the personnel who assisted in setting up the broadcast booth.

Also, to Lenny Marshall (aka Fast Lenny) for providing the live stream on the internet. You allowed us to reach many out of state viewers, who could not make it to the event. Thanks for sticking it out and promoting the Desert Classic Tour.

And last, but not least, to Kolby's staff. They stayed busy the entire weekend making sure we were all well taken care of. Jimmy Langston and his crew did an oustanding job. We will be looking forward to coming back for the one pocket event on October 18-19.

Congratulations to Bernie Pettipiece, who defeated Scott Frost in the finals, on winning the 2008 Arizona State Straight Pool Championship. You played some great pool throughout the weekend and your victory was well deserved.

We look forward to seeing you all at our next event (Stop #4) on July 26, at Metro Sports Bar, for our 9 ball bar-table tournament.

Dennis
Thanks Dennis to you and Jimmy both along with all the great people at Kolbys.It was a great event and I look forward to helping you guys out and doing more streams for your tour which is put together very nicely.Thanks to the players who played in the event and to Scott and Bernie who played very good over the 2 day event in a solid field. :)
 
BVal said:
Actually - lack of green is just one of the reasons. The main reason you have no chance of getting any of that green back is 14.1 is a "thinking mans game". In all reality they are all thinking mans games. Thinking that you have no chance and not practicing is why you will never win anything except for secret tournaments at the senior citizens center or where ever it is you play.

The way this tour is set up you don't have to be in the cash to win money. I finished two out of the money but still won $60 for second in the 8 and under sidepot so the tourney only ended up costing me $10.

I do not want you to think I did not see your post, but is too bizarre reply too.:sorry:
 
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BRKNRUN said:
So...basically what your saying is you NEVER play in anything other than tournaments with training wheels...(aka: handicapps) ....

That is too bad....You are really missing out on some of the true beauty of pool.

Interesting.....Very few of the entire 40+ players acutally play 14:1 to a consistent high level...Even Scott Frost..argueably the best player in the field threw out the "I have no idea what I am doing" phrase.

There were probably less than 10 players that had a down deep confident feeling that they were the class of the field and had a slightly better than no chance of cashing.....There were EASILY 20 players (including myself) that probably had no chance of cashing...

The difference is that every single one of the 40+ that did play probably learned a thing or two...(or in my case about 20+) things that will improve not only thier 14:1 game but probably entire pool game......so that maybe perhaps next year.....if they practice...they may indeed have a better than 0 chance of getting the GREEN

However....next year...you won't...and the year after..you won't ...and the year after...you won't....

OH BTW...don't forget to have fun seeking out the weekly training wheels tournament that has 5-10 players that show up



I do not want you to think I did not see your post, but is too bizarre reply too.:sorry:
 
BRKNRUN said:
Honestly....no I don't remember...Are you sure it was me??

I am not saying it did not happen, but I sure can't remember ever playing 14:1 in a tournament...I have yet to play a 1-pocket tournament either....(that is next on my list)

Sure, I'm sure it was you. You are an unforgettable character.:groucho:

Now you can start working on your 1-pocket game; Jay's calling you.:wink:

Roger
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
I do not want you to think I did not see your post, but is too bizarre reply too.:sorry:

I love your avatar of the cowboy. It is quite beautiful. I hope you can attend one of the events someday in the future, when and if time and finances allow. They said they are going to have another 14.1 pool tournament. I'd love to see you on the Ustream someday! :smile:

JAM
 
Roger Long said:
Sure, I'm sure it was you. You are an unforgettable character.:groucho:

Now you can start working on your 1-pocket game; Jay's calling you.:wink:

Roger


Well..I guess I will have to re-phrase the statement then...That was the first time I (remember) playing 14:1 in a tournament setting...:wink:


I can't for the life of me remember playing 14:1...But I did play quite a few tournaments at Casino.....Strange...cause I don't even do drugs...

I had thought about the Hollywood event but I was/am already committed to working at the Golf Course that day. I still work there on select weekends

My first tournament venture into 1-pocket will probably be back at Kolbys again on 10/18 for the Desert Classic Event....Just like 14:1 I would imagine at leat 40 players show up....
 
Prince said:
I have the best one. He was playing in a big tourney here in Arizona, when he missed a key shot that was going to cost him the match. He stopped, looked around for a second, and then proceeded to start smashing his cue into the floor.

After about 6 or 8 good bashings, broken wood chunks flying around the room and players/spectators dodging debris, someone stopped him. It was quite a strange moment for the pool community. Not sure what kind of cue it was, but it wasn't a cue anymore. :)

BTW, no one was injured in the bashing of his cue.

Dennis

Ahhh yes, Cocaine Eddie. I was his opponent that match. And it did cost him the match as we were hill/hill and he missed a key ball on a somewhat difficult runout. Then he proceeded to take apart his cue the unconventional way, as Dennis explains. Eddie tried to talk to my wife after that, and she was so freaked out by his explosion, she didn't even respond to him. Nor did I. It was probably one of the most childish things I've ever seen in a tournament.

The owner and TD conceded that was equal to unscrewing your cue and he threw another 5 year old tantrum about that. I moved on, and he was out of the tournament.

As for his whereabouts today, I believe he is in federal prison.

Ray
 
Roger Long said:
...... When I returned a few nights later to play my second tournament (9-ball), I learned that the room owner had curiously assigned me a permanent rating that I considered to be much too low.:confused: Then I found out the real reason I had been given that generously low rating...the room owner bought me in that Calcutta!:mad: Well, I felt it was my civic duty to try and make an honest man out of that owner, so I dumped that tournament and vowed that I would never play in his place again (and I never did).:thumbup: Later, I petitioned the ratings committee to bump me up a couple of notches (where I actually thought I belonged), but that request was refused because the chairman of the committee at that time happened to be that same room owner who rated me, and he didn't seem to be inclined to owning up to any wrong doing.:angry:......

Roger

I think I've heard this story before from different people. Is this why Pappy's won't use the Arizona ratings? And is this the same event that prompted someone (you?) to engage law officials into the calcuttas that were going on during pool tournaments? I'm asking because I seriously don't know.

But, FWIW, there are plenty of OPEN rated tournanments nowadays (Desert Classic Tour) you could play in to prove what you think your rating should be.

Did you start the arizbilliardsdirectory website? That would explain why the ratings on that website are incomplete and some ratings are inaccruate.

BTW, what do you think your rating should be?

Ray
 
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JAM said:
I love your avatar of the cowboy. It is quite beautiful. I hope you can attend one of the events someday in the future, when and if time and finances allow. They said they are going to have another 14.1 pool tournament. I'd love to see you on the Ustream someday! :smile:

JAM


Well JAM I would say don?t hold your breath as I have NO PLANS to be part of the DESERT CLASSIC, as I have said if I have no change of dipping into the GREEN I will pass. As I see zero reason to be a contributor of GREEN:idea2: I like playing in Handicapped Tournaments were the LESSER PLAYERS get a Handicap.

As Far as the NEW Avatar I believe I shall keep it for a while, or until I find something else I like better.

As far as 14/1 it is not my best game, and honestly the time I have played 14/1 or Straight Pool in the last 10 years can be counted on on both Hand, and Feet.:ok:






Maybe we can connivence FAST LENNY to start Live Streaming some of the Minor Tournaments in the Valley of the Sun, on the WEST SIDE of the Valley...:dance:
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well JAM I would say don?t hold your breath as I have NO PLANS to be part of the DESERT CLASSIC, as I have said if I have no change of dipping into the GREEN I will pass. As I see zero reason to be a contributor of GREEN:idea2: I like playing in Handicapped Tournaments were the LESSER PLAYERS get a Handicap.

As Far as the NEW Avatar I believe I shall keep it for a while, or until I find something else I like better.

As far as 14/1 it is not my best game, and honestly the time I have played 14/1 or Straight Pool in the last 10 years can be counted on on both Hand, and Feet.:ok:






Maybe we can connivence FAST LENNY to start Live Streaming some of the Minor Tournaments in the Valley of the Sun, on the WEST SIDE of the Valley...:dance:

Some of the best times I have had playing pool were competing against my buddies up at the neighborhood tavern. Sometimes we'd have a weekend tournament, $10 entry fee, just to generate a little action. :wink:

When I'd beat them for a buck or a brewsky, though, it felt like I won a million bucks. It was the WIN that was much sweeter than that buck or brewsky for me. :thumbup:

Pool can be a lot of fun when you're playing with friends. I miss those days. :sorry:

JAM
 
JAM said:
Some of the best times I have had playing pool were competing against my buddies up at the neighborhood tavern. Sometimes we'd have a weekend tournament, $10 entry fee, just to generate a little action. :wink:

When I'd beat them for a buck or a brewsky, though, it felt like I won a million bucks. It was the WIN that was much sweeter than that buck or brewsky for me. :thumbup:

Pool can be a lot of fun when you're playing with friends. I miss those days. :sorry:

JAM




Well last night I went out and played in a small Bar Tournament, entry was on $5.00, and splitting quarters for the Bar Boxes, we had no WORLD CLASS PLAYERS in the Tournament. But everyone had fun and it paid three place.

Some time having fun is more fun than getting beat up by play someone that is way out of you class.

Yes I know there are the KEY BOARD COMMANDS who BOAST about what GREAT PLAYER they ARE, and how great they can play, etc. etc. etc.

Than you see them in person, and say is that the same person who said something that don?t add up.
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
I do not want you to think I did not see your post, but is too bizarre reply too.:sorry:
You know Bruce I used to think you were just crazy for cocobolo cues. Now I think you are just flat out crazy!
Would you like to play sometime? Since you are so fond of handicapping we can play to our handicaps. I go to 8 and you go to whatever your handicap is. We can play any game you want and any rules you want. I am by no means a world class player or even a shortstop but I will have no problem whipping your ass in some pool. I will give you 2 to 1 on your money and drive to where you want to play.

What do ya say Bruce?

BVal
 
I'll take that bet Brady!

I'm in Wisconsin right now, It's just 1867 miles NorthEast of where you are now, but I'll be back in the fall.

I think we could get Fast Lenny to broadcast that match. I'm sure plenty would love to see CocoCrazy in action.

btw, shouldn't his name be spelled, "CooCooBolo Cowboy" ?
 
stuckart said:
I'll take that bet Brady!

I'm in Wisconsin right now, It's just 1867 miles NorthEast of where you are now, but I'll be back in the fall.

I think we could get Fast Lenny to broadcast that match. I'm sure plenty would love to see CocoCrazy in action.

btw, shouldn't his name be spelled, "CooCooBolo Cowboy" ?
I would love to play this match with CooCooCowboy. I seriously doubt he will eve respond though. He doesn't have the heart.

I have offered him everything in the world to play and I have tried to take away all of his excuses but I am sure he will come up with another one, as usual.

See ya when you get back!

BVal
 
BVal said:
You know Bruce I used to think you were just crazy for cocobolo cues. Now I think you are just flat out crazy!
Would you like to play sometime? Since you are so fond of handicapping we can play to our handicaps. I go to 8 and you go to whatever your handicap is. We can play any game you want and any rules you want. I am by no means a world class player or even a shortstop but I will have no problem whipping your ass in some pool. I will give you 2 to 1 on your money and drive to where you want to play.

What do ya say Bruce?

BVal

Go Brady... it's your birthday, you got your car fixed!!!!
 
CocoboloCowboy said:
Well last night I went out and played in a small Bar Tournament, entry was on $5.00, and splitting quarters for the Bar Boxes, we had no WORLD CLASS PLAYERS in the Tournament. But everyone had fun and it paid three place.

Some time having fun is more fun than getting beat up by play someone that is way out of you class.

Yes I know there are the KEY BOARD COMMANDS who BOAST about what GREAT PLAYER they ARE, and how great they can play, etc. etc. etc.

Than you see them in person, and say is that the same person who said something that don?t add up
.

Who exactly are you referring too here Coco???

I have not seen any KEY BOARD COMMANDS who BOAST about being a GREAT PLAYER......

I have only seen people that claim they actually play...I can only think of one person that claims they play that I can't verify that actually plays.....

There are actuallly only two or three WORLD CLASS players in the state...so from your track record pretty much ANY tournament you would play in would not include those two or three players.

I am not sure what your knock is against people that want to try excel at this game...You seem to have a personal vendetta against anyone rated higher than a 8....What Gives???

Did you get hustled somewhere or something???? Or is it you are just jealous of anyone that has achieved a 10 rating in this state???

Where in the world did you get the idea that a tournament or group of players playing could only be fun if no World Beaters were involved, or could only be fun if ONLY World Beaters were involved....or could only be fun if a mix was involved??????

I have had fun playing gatherings that I was the absolute worst player in the room....I have also had fun playing in gatherings were I was (arguably) the best in the room... I have had fun in gatherings were is was dead middle of the road compaired to the other players.....I had fun at all of them...

I make it fun...I don't let the other players dictate if I am going to have fun....no matter how good or bad they are.

I already know your reply to this post, so don't bother I will post it for you....

"I did not want you to think that I did not read your post, but I am to Bizarre to comprehend"
 
BRKNRUN said:
Who exactly are you referring too here Coco???

I have not seen any KEY BOARD COMMANDS who BOAST about being a GREAT PLAYER......

I have only seen people that claim they actually play...I can only think of one person that claims they play that I can't verify that actually plays.....

There are actuallly only two or three WORLD CLASS players in the state...so from your track record pretty much ANY tournament you would play in would not include those two or three players.

I am not sure what your knock is against people that want to try excel at this game...You seem to have a personal vendetta against anyone rated higher than a 8....What Gives???

Did you get hustled somewhere or something???? Or is it you are just jealous of anyone that has achieved a 10 rating in this state???

Where in the world did you get the idea that a tournament or group of players playing could only be fun if no World Beaters were involved, or could only be fun if ONLY World Beaters were involved....or could only be fun if a mix was involved??????

I have had fun playing gatherings that I was the absolute worst player in the room....I have also had fun playing in gatherings were I was (arguably) the best in the room... I have had fun in gatherings were is was dead middle of the road compaired to the other players.....I had fun at all of them...

I make it fun...I don't let the other players dictate if I am going to have fun....no matter how good or bad they are.

I already know your reply to this post, so don't bother I will post it for you....

"I did not want you to think that I did not read your post, but I am to Bizarre to comprehend"
The biggest thing for me is having fun atleast,I havent been playing long enough to get to upset with myself or performance,would love to get to a 9 though one of these days. :smile:
 
BRKNRUN said:
Who exactly are you referring too here Coco???

I have not seen any KEY BOARD COMMANDS who BOAST about being a GREAT PLAYER......

I have only seen people that claim they actually play...I can only think of one person that claims they play that I can't verify that actually plays.....

There are actuallly only two or three WORLD CLASS players in the state...so from your track record pretty much ANY tournament you would play in would not include those two or three players.

I am not sure what your knock is against people that want to try excel at this game...You seem to have a personal vendetta against anyone rated higher than a 8....What Gives???

Did you get hustled somewhere or something???? Or is it you are just jealous of anyone that has achieved a 10 rating in this state???

Where in the world did you get the idea that a tournament or group of players playing could only be fun if no World Beaters were involved, or could only be fun if ONLY World Beaters were involved....or could only be fun if a mix was involved??????

I have had fun playing gatherings that I was the absolute worst player in the room....I have also had fun playing in gatherings were I was (arguably) the best in the room... I have had fun in gatherings were is was dead middle of the road compaired to the other players.....I had fun at all of them...

I make it fun...I don't let the other players dictate if I am going to have fun....no matter how good or bad they are.

I already know your reply to this post, so don't bother I will post it for you....

"I did not want you to think that I did not read your post, but I am to Bizarre to comprehend"

Intellectual pontification between BVal and BigCat regarding motivations for playing pool:

BigCat: 'sup, Cheezy Poofs?
BVal: Nuttin, supwich you?
BigCat: Nuttin.
BVal: So, after I read this thread on AZB, I was wunderin' why you play in tournaments. Why do you?
BigCat: I play for 2 reasons Cheezy... to drinks sum beers and kick sum ass :mad:
BigCat: And I'm almost done drinkin' beer... :mad: :mad: :mad:

<awkward silence for about 6 or 7 seconds>

BVal: You know you don't actually drink alcohol...
BigCat: Yeah.
BVal: And you went 2 and out your last tournament
BigCat: Right.

<awkward silence for about another 10 seconds>

BVal: I'll see you later.
BigCat: K, bye.

Ray
 
BigCat said:
I think I've heard this story before from different people. Is this why Pappy's won't use the Arizona ratings? And is this the same event that prompted someone (you?) to engage law officials into the calcuttas that were going on during pool tournaments? I'm asking because I seriously don't know.

But, FWIW, there are plenty of OPEN rated tournanments nowadays (Desert Classic Tour) you could play in to prove what you think your rating should be.

Did you start the arizbilliardsdirectory website? That would explain why the ratings on that website are incomplete and some ratings are inaccruate.

BTW, what do you think your rating should be?

Ray


Sorry, Ray, I was away from this thread for a few days. I'll try to answer your questions now.

Q: "Is this why Pappy's won't use the Arizona ratings?"

A: Pappy's isn't using anything anymore. They quit holding tournaments altogether. I'm not there any longer, either. But while I was there I got tired of attending 2 to 3-hour GPARC meetings where the process of rating players seemed to be far less democratic and fair than I felt it should be. When I quit attending those meetings Pappy's still needed a way to take care of their regular players, so I started my own in-house rating list.

Q: "And is this the same event that prompted someone (you?) to engage law officials into the calcuttas that were going on during pool tournaments?"

A: No, I seriously doubt that anyone cared what my circumstances were at that time. And no, it was not I who dropped the dime on the calcuttas. I may not have approved of some of the things I saw going on, but it's not my style to snitch anybody off to the law.


Q: "Did you start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website? That would explain why the ratings on that website are incomplete and some of the ratings are inaccurate."

A: Yes, I did start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website. When I left Pappy's, I had over 500 rated players on my list. I was left wondering what I should do with that list. Should I just throw it away? Should I give it to one of the other pool rooms on the west side of town since that's where most of its players resided? And if so, which pool room should I give it to? So I finally decided to expand the list and make it public. I then researched 3 year's worth of back issues of AZ Billiards News and Table Talk (I save everything:o ), web reports, league reports, and anything else I could get my hands on that might tell me which players were still active in AZ, and what their current ratings might be. Where there was doubt on any rating, I referred to the last GPARC list I had in my possession and adopted that rating. When I had as many names as I could possibly put on the new list, I wound up with over 2,000. Now I know I might have missed a few hundred active players that are still on the GPARC committe's list, but I also have over 600 new and active players on my list that don't show up on their's. As far as accuracy goes, all ratings, mine or their's, are just someone else's opinions. I guess it boils down to, who's opinion do you want to use when having to make a decision where a rating matters? But it really doesn't matter to me which rating you want to go by. My rating service is a guide, a tool, that's all. It can be used freely by anyone at any time, or not used at all. It's everyone's choice for themselves. BTW, my website has so much more on it than just ratings. I'm hoping everyone will see the value of that content, rather than judging the site on its rating list.


Q: "BTW, what do you think your rating should be?"

A: That's a very good question, Ray. As I said before, ratings are just opinions. In the past, whenever someone would ask me what my rating is, I've told them I don't have one, and then asked them to give me their own opinion. Their answer was always the same, "Well, you're at least a 9." That's never told me a whole lot. Does "at least a 9" mean I am a 9, or does it mean I might be a 10? All I know for sure is, at Pappy's we would hold two open, non-handicapped tournaments a week, one 8-Ball and one 9-Ball. The only thing the ratings were used for was to determine how much you had to pay to get in. I rated myself a 10 so that I would have to pay $10. We had some fairly stiff competition there, but I usually came in first or second after I started playing regularly. I beat Charles Peten (rated 10) in the finals more times than he cares to remember. But after Jon Smith (rated 10-1) started showing up at every one of those tournaments, I became known as "Mr. 2nd." Still, I'm not that sure where any of that would fit me in. Now there is a new scoring system being tested in a Wed. night league at BullShooters that shows me playing at a high 9 level, but the guidelines for determining the different levels are not fully developed yet, so who knows?

Thanks for the interest, Ray. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.

Roger
 
Roger Long said:
Sorry, Ray, I was away from this thread for a few days. I'll try to answer your questions now.

Q: "Is this why Pappy's won't use the Arizona ratings?"

A: Pappy's isn't using anything anymore. They quit holding tournaments altogether. I'm not there any longer, either. But while I was there I got tired of attending 2 to 3-hour GPARC meetings where the process of rating players seemed to be far less democratic and fair than I felt it should be. When I quit attending those meetings Pappy's still needed a way to take care of their regular players, so I started my own in-house rating list.

Q: "And is this the same event that prompted someone (you?) to engage law officials into the calcuttas that were going on during pool tournaments?"

A: No, I seriously doubt that anyone cared what my circumstances were at that time. And no, it was not I who dropped the dime on the calcuttas. I may not have approved of some of the things I saw going on, but it's not my style to snitch anybody off to the law.


Q: "Did you start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website? That would explain why the ratings on that website are incomplete and some of the ratings are inaccurate."

A: Yes, I did start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website. When I left Pappy's, I had over 500 rated players on my list. I was left wondering what I should do with that list. Should I just throw it away? Should I give it to one of the other pool rooms on the west side of town since that's where most of its players resided? And if so, which pool room should I give it to? So I finally decided to expand the list and make it public. I then researched 3 year's worth of back issues of AZ Billiards News and Table Talk (I save everything:o ), web reports, league reports, and anything else I could get my hands on that might tell me which players were still active in AZ, and what their current ratings might be. Where there was doubt on any rating, I referred to the last GPARC list I had in my possession and adopted that rating. When I had as many names as I could possibly put on the new list, I wound up with over 2,000. Now I know I might have missed a few hundred active players that are still on the GPARC committe's list, but I also have over 600 new and active players on my list that don't show up on their's. As far as accuracy goes, all ratings, mine or their's, are just someone else's opinions. I guess it boils down to, who's opinion do you want to use when having to make a decision where a rating matters? But it really doesn't matter to me which rating you want to go by. My rating service is a guide, a tool, that's all. It can be used freely by anyone at any time, or not used at all. It's everyone's choice for themselves. BTW, my website has so much more on it than just ratings. I'm hoping everyone will see the value of that content, rather than judging the site on its rating list.


Q: "BTW, what do you think your rating should be?"

A: That's a very good question, Ray. As I said before, ratings are just opinions. In the past, whenever someone would ask me what my rating is, I've told them I don't have one, and then asked them to give me their own opinion. Their answer was always the same, "Well, you're at least a 9." That's never told me a whole lot. Does "at least a 9" mean I am a 9, or does it mean I might be a 10? All I know for sure is, at Pappy's we would hold two open, non-handicapped tournaments a week, one 8-Ball and one 9-Ball. The only thing the ratings were used for was to determine how much you had to pay to get in. I rated myself a 10 so that I would have to pay $10. We had some fairly stiff competition there, but I usually came in first or second after I started playing regularly. I beat Charles Peten (rated 10) in the finals more times than he cares to remember. But after Jon Smith (rated 10-1) started showing up at every one of those tournaments, I became known as "Mr. 2nd." Still, I'm not that sure where any of that would fit me in. Now there is a new scoring system being tested in a Wed. night league at BullShooters that shows me playing at a high 9 level, but the guidelines for determining the different levels are not fully developed yet, so who knows?

Thanks for the interest, Ray. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.

Roger
Jon Smith is a tough guy to play,I one once against him and won then the 2nd time we played he drilled me.I stopped by Bullshooters the other day and really liked the place but they said no tournaments because the players dont spend enough money,me and my friend werent too happy hearing that,its a big room and could have a kick @ss tournament.I liked table 26 I believe there,its a great 1 hole table and super tight. :thumbup:
 
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