Sorry, Ray, I was away from this thread for a few days. I'll try to answer your questions now.
Q: "Is this why Pappy's won't use the Arizona ratings?"
A: Pappy's isn't using anything anymore. They quit holding tournaments altogether. I'm not there any longer, either. But while I was there I got tired of attending 2 to 3-hour GPARC meetings where the process of rating players seemed to be far less democratic and fair than I felt it should be. When I quit attending those meetings Pappy's still needed a way to take care of their regular players, so I started my own in-house rating list.
Q: "And is this the same event that prompted someone (you?) to engage law officials into the calcuttas that were going on during pool tournaments?"
A: No, I seriously doubt that anyone cared what my circumstances were at that time. And no, it was not I who dropped the dime on the calcuttas. I may not have approved of some of the things I saw going on, but it's not my style to snitch anybody off to the law.
Q: "Did you start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website? That would explain why the ratings on that website are incomplete and some of the ratings are inaccurate."
A: Yes, I did start the arizonabilliardsdirectory website. When I left Pappy's, I had over 500 rated players on my list. I was left wondering what I should do with that list. Should I just throw it away? Should I give it to one of the other pool rooms on the west side of town since that's where most of its players resided? And if so, which pool room should I give it to? So I finally decided to expand the list and make it public. I then researched 3 year's worth of back issues of AZ Billiards News and Table Talk (I save everything

), web reports, league reports, and anything else I could get my hands on that might tell me which players were still active in AZ, and what their current ratings might be. Where there was doubt on any rating, I referred to the last GPARC list I had in my possession and adopted that rating. When I had as many names as I could possibly put on the new list, I wound up with over 2,000. Now I know I might have missed a few hundred active players that are still on the GPARC committe's list, but I also have over 600 new and active players on my list that don't show up on their's. As far as accuracy goes, all ratings, mine or their's, are just someone else's opinions. I guess it boils down to, who's opinion do you want to use when having to make a decision where a rating matters? But it really doesn't matter to me which rating you want to go by. My rating service is a guide, a tool, that's all. It can be used freely by anyone at any time, or not used at all. It's everyone's choice for themselves. BTW, my website has so much more on it than just ratings. I'm hoping everyone will see the value of that content, rather than judging the site on its rating list.
Q: "BTW, what do you think your rating should be?"
A: That's a very good question, Ray. As I said before, ratings are just opinions. In the past, whenever someone would ask me what my rating is, I've told them I don't have one, and then asked them to give me their own opinion. Their answer was always the same, "Well, you're at least a 9." That's never told me a whole lot. Does "at least a 9" mean I am a 9, or does it mean I might be a 10? All I know for sure is, at Pappy's we would hold two open, non-handicapped tournaments a week, one 8-Ball and one 9-Ball. The only thing the ratings were used for was to determine how much you had to pay to get in. I rated myself a 10 so that I would have to pay $10. We had some fairly stiff competition there, but I usually came in first or second after I started playing regularly. I beat Charles Peten (rated 10) in the finals more times than he cares to remember. But after Jon Smith (rated 10-1) started showing up at every one of those tournaments, I became known as "Mr. 2nd." Still, I'm not that sure where any of that would fit me in. Now there is a new scoring system being tested in a Wed. night league at BullShooters that shows me playing at a high 9 level, but the guidelines for determining the different levels are not fully developed yet, so who knows?
Thanks for the interest, Ray. If you have any further questions, please feel free to ask.
Roger