Who would like to see Diamond produce a Pro pocket, 5x10 ProAm?

5x10 bocce

I really like my 5x10 by the way. Besides pool, i play bocce on it with my girlfriend's kids. You throw out a white palino ball to the other end, then each player gets a turn rolling one of their three balls trying to get closest after hitting at least two rails. Kinda like shuffleboard. This game is not fun on a smaller table, but for a kid on a 5x10 it is pretty epic.
 
Pool popularity

If you will look at my old posts about pool popularity on tv, i have always thought that pool would be more popular if it showed skills of players who can do something that very few of the fans or viewers can do. We watch slam dunks because we can't do them. We watch nascar because we can't go that fast, etc. When you watch pool on tv the pro players are typically playing pretty conservative shots because they want the highest percentage chance to win. Not that much efren-like stuff happening in a typical match, and even if a pro runs the table the viewer can say to himself "oh, i've run the table before," then turn the channel to be entertained by what he is impressed by, whatever he cannot do. So a 5x10 break-and-run would constitute something that very few viewers have done. Without any spectacular shots, they would be impressed enough to keep watchin' ~ i believe this is the missing piece of the puzzle of why snooker is so popular on tv in the uk. Last time i checked, the top 20 players were making at least 2 million per year.
On the other hand, maybe pool is being held back by Earl Strickland being a bad boy. Oh, hold on, wasn't I just talking about 20 $2-million UK snooker players, some of whose antics and lifestyles make them even more interesting and popular? Question asked and answered.
 
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Runnintable said:
How hard would it be for Diamond to set up the factory for a production run of a table that size.
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Probably not too difficult once they contract for slate.
I can see it as a special order table but couldn't guess on a delivery time
considering how long it takes to get their current model line delivered.
 
Even if Diamond breaks even on the sales of 10' tables, wouldn't it still serve 'em well as the 10' tables would be a great form of advertizing?

(I'm curious how many tables they would need to produce and sell in order to offset the cost of design, shop modifications, etc they'd have to make.)

To help promote 10' sales, the DCC 2012 could use a 10' table in the TV arena for the popular match ups, semi-finals, and finals. I would absolutely love it if they did this, and think it would give some added excitement.

I have room and would like buy a 10'er...eventually.
 
Lets just say Diamond did build a 5x10 ProAm. With the corner pockets being 4 1/2" and sides 5"....six legs, and Iwan Simonis 760 cloth. And on that table you could bank the cue ball 5 times the length of the table, as well as 9 banks around the world. How many of you would go to your local room owners and recommend they have at least one 5x10 Diamond installed as an action table, TAR location, Pro match up table? How many of you would seriously be interested in purchasing a 5x10 Diamond? A one piece slate might be possible, but for sure I could turn a 3 piece 1" slate into a one piece slate at the time of the installation....so, inquiring minds would be interested to know...what YOU know?;)

Glen...the "Realkingcobra";)
 
The Idea sounds interesting and the table would be fun to try out, atleast once or twice.

BUT, I highly doubt any one room in my area would even consider buying the table.
 
stuckart said:
The Idea sounds interesting and the table would be fun to try out, atleast once or twice.

BUT, I highly doubt any one room in my area would even consider buying the table.
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You never know....sometimes a room owner might be better off having the table in their location...vs some other location having one in their area;)

Glen
 
I would very much consider buying one, but I am not planning on moving into a house that can accomodate one for at least 4-5 years. I have a diamond 9 ft currently, but I plan on putting in a big table and a bar box in my next house. I already have the plan for the room, and it will fit a 10 footer, which I would gladly substitute for the 9. I want Diamond tables which is why I didn't consider a 10 foot but if you make one, :)
 
Straight-rail billiards table that converts into a 10-foot pocket billiards table

realkingcobra said:
You never know....sometimes a room owner might be better off having the table in their location...vs some other location having one in their area ;)

Glen
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Glen:

I agree with this way of viewing it. Also, if a room "has the room" to fit a regular-size straight-rail billiard table, that same space easily accommodates a 10-foot pocket billiards table.

Has Diamond thought about a dual-use table, per chance? I mean, if Diamond's working on (or probably already has, in the form of a showroom-only demonstration model) a straight-rail billiards table, what's the possibility to make that into a pocket billiards table? E.g. with inserts in the pockets that convert that pocket billiards table into a regular straight-rail billiards table?

I'm thinking a table like that, done Diamond-quality (this is key -- if anyone can make a quality convertible table that lasts, it's Diamond), it'd kill two birds with one stone: 1.) address the straight-rail billiards market, *and* 2.) also this emerging market of a 10-foot pocket billiards table. And it'd be a pocket billiards table with a heated bed!

I know of a couple rooms near me that'd love to talk to Diamond about such a product!

Thoughts?
-Sean
 
If I had the room in my house, and the money to pay for the table since I suspect it would cost quite a bit more than a 4 1/2 x 9, I'd buy one for my home table. That would be awesome!

If there were a pool room in town that had one, I would definitely go out to play on it. I've only had the chance to play on a 5x10 pool table a few times. I've spent quite a bit of time on a 5x10 snooker table, however.
 
Runnintable said:
How hard would it be for Diamond to set up the factory for a production run of a table that size.

My pool hall has a old Monarch that is 5x10. (at least I think it is a Monarch) It is the resident table the oldtimers play a golf game on.

Is there really a market for this?
The Earl/Shane match was very entertaining. Watching these guys play on a table that size was a major factor. I think that event was eye opening and the Pool entertainment industry should be paying attention!

Commercially and within Match/competition play there could be a market.

I can see a poolhall putting 1 token 5x10' in their room, but not the whole room filled with 5x10's. It could be just like the rooms with the occassional snooker and/or billiard table.
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The Monarch plate is probably just denoting the cushion type on the table. A Monarch table usually had some animal theme for the legs or bottom structure.
 
MoonshineMattK said:
If Diamond builds a 10' pool table a billiard table is just a rail change away
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Not quite, there's quite a bit of difference between the cloth used for pool vs billiards. A Diamond 5x10 billiards table would never be accepted with less than a 2" thick slate, and I'd never put a 2" slate on a 5x10 pocket table. The frame needed to support a 2" thick slate would require a mimimum of 4" x 5/16" C channel in the frame support, while that wouldn't be needed for a 5x10 ProAm;)
 
sfleinen said:
Glen:

I agree with this way of viewing it. Also, if a room "has the room" to fit a regular-size straight-rail billiard table, that same space easily accommodates a 10-foot pocket billiards table.

Has Diamond thought about a dual-use table, per chance? I mean, if Diamond's working on (or probably already has, in the form of a showroom-only demonstration model) a straight-rail billiards table, what's the possibility to make that into a pocket billiards table? E.g. with inserts in the pockets that convert that pocket billiards table into a regular straight-rail billiards table?

I'm thinking a table like that, done Diamond-quality (this is key -- if anyone can make a quality convertible table that lasts, it's Diamond), it'd kill two birds with one stone: 1.) address the straight-rail billiards market, *and* 2.) also this emerging market of a 10-foot pocket billiards table. And it'd be a pocket billiards table with a heated bed!

I know of a couple rooms near me that'd love to talk to Diamond about such a product!

Thoughts?
-Sean
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Most straight rail billiards tables are either 8ft or 9ft tables. 3C is really only accepted on a 5x10, totally different game. We are almost finished with the 9ft ProAm straight rail billiards table...which can be ordered as a pocket ProAm with a second set of changeable rails for straight rail billiards, or as a straight up straight rail billiards table...meaning with no guts in the table for the option of turning it back into a pocket/ball return 9ft ProAm.

So, the straight rail commercial market is going to be able to purchase new straight rail billiards tables right from Diamond to replace the junk they have been forced to play on for as long as I've been working on pool tables:D
 
I can imagine a few rooms putting one in if they were available, but that's about it. It surely wouldn't produce much volume for Diamond. The trend over the last 80 years toward smaller tables happened for good reasons - room economics, making the game easier for the average player, etc.

As much as I hate 7' tables and would love to see bigger tables become more popular, my advice to Diamond would be to not invest too much hope or money in 10' tables. I wish it were otherwise.
 
There is not a more important table for you to work on for the sake of this sport as a whole at the professional level. This sport needs to move to 10 foot tables at the professional level if it is ever going to become something more then it is today.

You cannot get started on this soon enough Glen.

And if you could kick it up a notch and make it look like a old school Brunswick Kling 6 legged monstrosity that plays like a diamond plan to never have any in stock and always be back ordered.
 
I agree

Celtic said:
There is not a more important table for you to work on for the sake of this sport as a whole at the professional level. This sport needs to move to 10 foot tables at the professional level if it is ever going to become something more then it is today.

You cannot get started on this soon enough Glen.

And if you could kick it up a notch and make it look like a old school Brunswick Kling 6 legged monstrosity that plays like a diamond plan to never have any in stock and always be back ordered.
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TV viewers will tune in to see the best play on the best. I want to have my 5x10 Kling play better and I am going to have it reworked at some point so that the rails will play more like a modern table. There is a billiard dealer on the east coast that reworks antique table T-rails to play like modern rails. But they want a stupid fortune for it, more than the table is worth. But if I didn't have the Kling, I would buy a 5x10 Diamond.
 
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