Who's cues hit like (*&%?

Which brings me to a big question that has been eating me for ages. Have any of you ever played with a cue that played like a dream, but the hit sucked? Or one that had the hit, feel, and sound you've always wanted..........but just couldn't saddle it? Reason I ask, is so often when I hear of a cue for sale, I hear it hits nice, or play nice, and to me those two are separate. I currently play with a Wes Hunter that PLAYS better than any cue I've ever owned, but to tell you the truth, I wish it had a different 'dink' and vibe to it. If I could put together the way my cue plays, with the right 'dink' and vibe, then I'm sure I'd have the holy grail that we all spend a lifetime looking for. On the other side, I've always loved the way SW's feel and sound, but I've only come across a few that played the way I like cues to play.
Final question: For those agree that the way a cue hits and the way it plays are two different categories, which of the two groups do you fit into.
1-Cue plays like a monster but hit's like crap, but I'm happy with it because I've never played with a cue that played so well.

2-Has a nice hit, dink, balance, and feel, but I can play better with another cue. However, I'll stay with this one because the I'll never find a cue that hit's/feels better than this one.

dave
 
HighEndCues said:
Yeez..
Your right I actually did give my Schick a test drive against you lastnight...
BUT, I did use the Skip shaft on it.. So, were both correct..
I will give you that my Skip does play exceptional.. Yes, I have tried yours that didn't appeal to me.. But, I can't put all of his work into these few examples.. Thats why everyone should make their own opinion..

This is a brutal thread... I think it helps AZer's to speak about great playing cues then the opposite.. Every cuemaker has made a dud in their time.. They shouldn't be chastised in public for it..
One cue doesn't make a career...
Brian-- Your loving this thread.. Aren't you..
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
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I'd say not but I think we'd both know I'd be lying! :D

In all seriousness, you are 100% right. Everyone should make their own opinion. One man's trash is another man's treasure.

Furthermore, while I stand firm in my stance that most of the Blacks and Carmelis I've played with were lackluster for me, I will emphasize that this is personal opinion based on personal experience. Many people love these cues. If they didn't Richard and Ariel wouldn't have a job.

So, agree to disagree.

(Man! This disagreement was certainly more passive than our last one! ;) )
 
NYC cue dude said:
Are you kidding me? Did I just read that correctly?

Rg
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Grrrr....... I hate it when RANDY is right!!!

My point that it IS my opinion but there should be NO debate. I do NOT like the play of those Blacks that I have played with. I feel how I feel. But as I stated in my last point, how I feel may very well be different from how you feel.

But like Sean said, this thread is about sharing opinions. This is mine.
 
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My original quote:

"Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple."

WalkerInTN said:
No, you said they ALL played like crap. That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. Now you're backpeddling to the ones you have played with.
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Yes. It is true. All richard Black cues I have played with played like crap. That os a fact that cannot be disputed. And you are right. I did say ALL Richard Black cues play like crap. For that I apologize.

I will ammend that statement to read in a fair and more factual fashion:

As I have not ever hit with a Richard Black cue that I thought played well (and having hit with several), I am left with no reason to believe that there are any that play well.

If there are, I have yet to come across them. Feel free to prove me wrong if you have one and we should ever bump into each other. :D
 
runscot said:
Hit is so subjective that I doubt this thread has much influence on anyone - I can look at the opinions of people who like the same hit as me (Jazz, Bogey, Mason), and that will definitely influence me, but I would never listen to anything Brian said. :)

Scott <=== headin out to watch Torre lose his job
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...And after all of those long, beautiful heart-to-hearts we shared in CHAT. I thought we had something Scott. ;)

Talk to ya tomorrow man.
 
pharaoh68 said:
Grrrr....... I hate it when RANDY is right!!!

My point that it IS my opinion but there should be NO debate. I do NOT like the play of those Blacks that I have played with. I feel how I feel. But as I stated in my last point, how I feel very well may be different from how you feel.

But like Sean said, this thread is about sharing opinions. This is mine.
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"buzzer sound".... Wrong again. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact I agree about blacks cues being poor performers.

What I find objectionable is with what ease you always seem to degenerate the discussion into profanity and name calling.

Rg
 
Cocobolo Cognoscenti was probably the worst hitting cue I've owned. It was a dead hitter. However, I also had an older model ebony Cognoscenti that played awesome.

-S
 
NYC cue dude said:
"buzzer sound".... Wrong again. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact I agree about blacks cues being poor performers.

What I find objectionable is with what ease you always seem to degenerate the discussion into profanity and name calling.

Rg
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Ahhh Randy. That is such a relief!!! For a second I thought you might actually be right. Sadly, you were. You just weren't quick enough to pick up on it as you seem to be talking about something totally different.

Here's how I see it Mr. G:

I tend to give others a degree of respect when they've earned it in my eyes. I'll even give others an ever-so-slightly lesser degree of respect based on the fundamental principles of decency and humanity.

However, when Tennessee Jed (or whatever the hell his name is) first responded to my post, his tone was not exactly civil. Thus, his lack of civility leaves me feeling less than inclined to extend him such a courtesy.


So close, Randy. So close.
 
i know gus is like spinning but when i played with that szamboti i couldnt make a straight shot

i seriously took ball in hand and kept missing

i thought at first i had a trick q ball or something

i screwed my predator and ran like water.

it was so odd
 
pharaoh68 said:
I can't believe it took me this long to find this. Thus far, in 11 pages, there are only two or three guys who have mentioned the ones I am about to say. But here's the catch. There's little room for debate. These cues are just plain bad. Agree if you will. Call me names. I don't care but as far as I'm concenred:

2) Carmeli cues are also bad. Played with many as I know a dealer for Ariel. And I also know a few people who own Carmeli's. My personal opinion: bad. One or two of which I actually found to be offensive. Really. I almost wanted to fight the cue.


Ariel Carmeli FOR SALE:

I have a very nice 6-point coco bolo with ebony points, veneers, only one shaft

$600.00 shipped
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Any cue with a stiff shaft and a hard tip,like a mori,will hit like crap. All the recoil will have nowhere to go but to the joint. Any time you feel any deflection from the joint, you will think the cue is junk. The KC cue comes with a stiff shaft and a hard mori. Change the tip,and it's a great cheap cue.Poolrod.
 
I, for one, am enjoying this thread. We're always hearing how great
cues are. It's time we heard the other side.
And we can still think for ourselves. I'm still interested in trying a
Southwest or a Skip Weston.
I lke Coker & Espiritu pretty well despite what I've read.
Heck, I really like the hit of 2 of the 3 DPs I have.
My favorite cue is a 1/1 Tim Scruggs I have , but I'm not crazy
about my Scruggs SP.
I have a McDermott Sierra that I like , but I had another McDermott that
was the worse cue I ever had.
I'm just interested in peoples' opinions.
I can see where dealers would be horrified at this thread.
 
Every Cue

Every cue i play with hits like crap..Or is it the crappy player using the cue..I now i sure fall in to the last part..:D ...On a serious note, it is to each his own..When i first got my Bender it took me about 2 years (yes 2 years) to figure out that it was the taper in the shafts..I had the taper changed and now i can play with some consistency...Lousy, but consistant...Just my 2 cents...Don
 
Good thread, Ross . . . . and everyone who has contributed to it.

The bad "hitters" I've owned almost universally had poor shaft wood - bleached white looking, low weight, bad "ping" - and crappy ferrules and tips. You can change the tips and ferrules, but it won't overcome a poor shaft. At least it didn't for me.

My 80 Richard Black, with shafts so dense you'd think they were molydenum, feels and plays great. To me.
 
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hondo said:
I can see where dealers would be horrified at this thread.
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No reason for dealers (or cuemakers) to be horrified or take offense to the comments here. If the remarks can be taken as constructive (as opposed to destructive) maybe we can all learn something from them.

Myself, I would like to read more definitive comments concerning the poor hit of some cues. No need for names, just Cue "A" or "B" or "C" would work.
 
I guess I've been pretty lucky, the only cue I didn't like, besides the super cheap ones was a dominiak. I like stiff cues but this thing was like playing with a steel pole. Hated it.......

I have owned Joss West, Skip, Omen, Coker, Schon, original Palmers, and liked all of them. Still don't understand why Cokers don't have a better following.
 
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