VonRhett said:I'm going to take the unpopular route here and agree with you on Skip.
He does fantastic inlay work and some of the best points in the business - bar none.
But his shafts and even shaft wood? Welllll, that's a different story.
Well, 'nuff said --- I hope.
Puh-leaze remember we're talking about opinions here, folks!
(even though, a 13.0mm shaft with 9 GPI that weighs 3.3oz should be used as a pointer, not a pool cue!)
JMO!!
-von
pharaoh68 said:I can't believe it took me this long to find this. Thus far, in 11 pages, there are only two or three guys who have mentioned the ones I am about to say. But here's the catch. There's little room for debate. These cues are just plain bad. Agree if you will. Call me names. I don't care but as far as I'm concenred:
1) Richard Black cues ALL play like crap. I have hit with many and some played better than others. But that's like saying that some farts smell better than others. No matter how you spin it, a fart still smells like sh*t!!!
2) Carmeli cues are also bad. Played with many as I know a dealer for Ariel. And I also know a few people who own Carmeli's. My personal opinion: bad. One or two of which I actually found to be offensive. Really. I almost wanted to fight the cue.
Oh, and one last one I have yet to see up here:
3) Skip Weston. Maybe brilliant in execution (though I'm not a subscriber of this theory) but these cues only LOOK pretty. I had a monster of a Skip. One of his fanciest ever. Lots of ivory. On the surface, everything looked perfect. When I played with it, it deflected so much it almost hit balls sideways! The other Skip I owned hit like a dried up sponge. Now, I've never played pool with a dried up sponge per se but I'm going to guess that if you use one as a cue, you won't get great results. Just my opinion.
WalkerInTN said:I can't believe it took you this long either. Having used the search, it seems like you take every opportunity to bash Richard Black's cues.
Just because that's your experience doesn't make it a fact.
Yeah, there's little room for debate on that one either.![]()
1pRoscoe said:I just want to give you snaps for using the phrase "per se" correctly, including spelling!! Seems to be a rarity in these parts....
HighEndCues said:Brian,
I can't agree with your selection, as you would know..
Ariel makes a very good hitting cue.. I've probably owned 40-50 of them and played with one for some time.. They are a stiffer hit, not for all, but great for others..
As for Skip's cues... I can't really give a broad evaluation on the majority of them, but I'm playing with one right now that is a great hitter..
Brian can contest to it's performance from lastnights peppering with the 6 and out.. It was all stick, I just held it..
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
pharaoh68 said:Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple.
And remember, just because you seem to love Richard Black cues doesn't make them gold.
But I guess its like they say, opinions are like a**-holes. And I guess I just quoted one.
pharaoh68 said:I'm glad you think I can 'attest' ()HOWEVER, if you recall correctly, you were playing with your Schick with the spaceship inlays.
Besides, you play at Open speed and I suck ass. And, you're my kryptonite. You give me a game I'm supposed to win. But I can't. And why? Like I said, I suck.
(Oh, and if I recall correctly, on one occasion you held and hit with my fancy Skip and voiced your distaste, and rightly so. Plus, you also acknowledged that your Skip - which does play well - was a rarity. Most do not.)
Luv ya killer,
Brian
Plus
runscott said:I have heard that his cues are inconsistent, so there must be some truth in it. I have only owned one Skip Weston, and it was awesome - the points and veneers were as good as you will see, and my particular Skip had great shafts and hit like a dream.
As others have said, I think you really have to hit with several cues by the same cuemaker, before you can pass judgement, and even then it is subjective.
classiccues said:I will put Skips cues against anyones on a per cue basis. In fact there are a few cues that would qualify as the right hand of God. Tom G's cue has no equal, no place. It's simply the best playing Skip I have ever encountered. Why? I don't know. But I can tell you it was made the same time and in the same batch as the fancy cue Brian has an issue with. The shafts, same batch. However it is ivory jointed. It's just one of those cues that you will pay over for, and be happy you did.
But hit is subjective, ALSO if you hit with a cue you REALLY REALLY dislike, chances are you won't give a second cue from the same maker a chance. I have been guilty of this on occasion.
JV
pharaoh68 said:Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple.
pharaoh68 said:And remember, just because you seem to love Richard Black cues doesn't make them gold.
pharaoh68 said:But I guess its like they say, opinions are like a**-holes. And I guess I just quoted one.
Sorry, dude, but this thread is all about opinions.... If you don't like those opinions of others in this thread, then feel free to start one of your own.WalkerInTN said:No, you said they ALL played like crap. That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. Now you're backpeddling to the ones you have played with.
Steve Mizerak seemed to like his Richard Black cues well enough to have owned more than a few, & I'd bet he knew what a nice hitting cue felt like.
And remember, just because you seem to hate Richard Black cues doesn't make them crap.
Didn't take long for the name calling to start. I guess that explains your signature.![]()
1pRoscoe said:Sorry, dude, but this thread is all about opinions.... If you don't like those opinions of others in this thread, then feel free to start one of your own.
Please tell Steve Mizerak to post his own opinion in this thread and not send his proxy...
Thanks,
-Ross
Feels pity for those that can't form their own opinion