Who's cues hit like (*&%?

With 5,444 hits on the thread I would say there are a lot of people interested in what is said here.

JMO - But when you have owned more that one cue by the same maker and they just don't play well, it is probably more than just an opinion.
 
VonRhett said:
I'm going to take the unpopular route here and agree with you on Skip.

He does fantastic inlay work and some of the best points in the business - bar none.

But his shafts and even shaft wood? Welllll, that's a different story.

Well, 'nuff said --- I hope.

Puh-leaze remember we're talking about opinions here, folks!

(even though, a 13.0mm shaft with 9 GPI that weighs 3.3oz should be used as a pointer, not a pool cue!)

JMO!!

-von

I have heard that his cues are inconsistent, so there must be some truth in it. I have only owned one Skip Weston, and it was awesome - the points and veneers were as good as you will see, and my particular Skip had great shafts and hit like a dream.

As others have said, I think you really have to hit with several cues by the same cuemaker, before you can pass judgement, and even then it is subjective.
 
pharaoh68 said:
I can't believe it took me this long to find this. Thus far, in 11 pages, there are only two or three guys who have mentioned the ones I am about to say. But here's the catch. There's little room for debate. These cues are just plain bad. Agree if you will. Call me names. I don't care but as far as I'm concenred:

1) Richard Black cues ALL play like crap. I have hit with many and some played better than others. But that's like saying that some farts smell better than others. No matter how you spin it, a fart still smells like sh*t!!!

2) Carmeli cues are also bad. Played with many as I know a dealer for Ariel. And I also know a few people who own Carmeli's. My personal opinion: bad. One or two of which I actually found to be offensive. Really. I almost wanted to fight the cue.

Oh, and one last one I have yet to see up here:

3) Skip Weston. Maybe brilliant in execution (though I'm not a subscriber of this theory) but these cues only LOOK pretty. I had a monster of a Skip. One of his fanciest ever. Lots of ivory. On the surface, everything looked perfect. When I played with it, it deflected so much it almost hit balls sideways! The other Skip I owned hit like a dried up sponge. Now, I've never played pool with a dried up sponge per se but I'm going to guess that if you use one as a cue, you won't get great results. Just my opinion.

Brian,
I can't agree with your selection, as you would know..
Ariel makes a very good hitting cue.. I've probably owned 40-50 of them and played with one for some time.. They are a stiffer hit, not for all, but great for others..
As for Skip's cues... I can't really give a broad evaluation on the majority of them, but I'm playing with one right now that is a great hitter..
Brian can contest to it's performance from lastnights peppering with the 6 and out.. It was all stick, I just held it..
Best,
Ken
Highendcues
 
i have had ABSOLUTELY horrid luck with tads. i've owned two, played with another. i didn';t like a single one. my two tads had dead joints, and i got virtually nothing on the cb. the third was a plain jane that a very close friend of tad's used....so one would think his cue played beautifully. i didn't like it. it felt like a cheap sporting goods store cue.

yet everyone i've know who's played with a tad love the hit and action.........oh well.

oh,,,and did i mention rubino's cue blow.
 
WalkerInTN said:
I can't believe it took you this long either. Having used the search, it seems like you take every opportunity to bash Richard Black's cues.

Just because that's your experience doesn't make it a fact.

Yeah, there's little room for debate on that one either.:rolleyes:

Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple.

And remember, just because you seem to love Richard Black cues doesn't make them gold.

But I guess its like they say, opinions are like a**-holes. And I guess I just quoted one.
 
HighEndCues said:
Brian,
I can't agree with your selection, as you would know..
Ariel makes a very good hitting cue.. I've probably owned 40-50 of them and played with one for some time.. They are a stiffer hit, not for all, but great for others..
As for Skip's cues... I can't really give a broad evaluation on the majority of them, but I'm playing with one right now that is a great hitter..
Brian can contest to it's performance from lastnights peppering with the 6 and out.. It was all stick, I just held it..
Best,
Ken
Highendcues

I'm glad you think I can 'attest' (;) )HOWEVER, if you recall correctly, you were playing with your Schick with the spaceship inlays.

Besides, you play at Open speed and I suck ass. And, you're my kryptonite. You give me a game I'm supposed to win. But I can't. And why? Like I said, I suck.

Ok, as for the Skip- if I recall correctly, on one occasion you held and hit with my fancy Skip and voiced your distaste, and rightly so. Plus, you also acknowledged that your Skip - which does play well - was a rarity. Most do not.)

As for the Carmelis and Blacks, I know Ariel and Richard are friends of yours so, I mean no harm. But remember, hit is subjective. They aren't my cup of tea.

Luv ya killer,
Brian

Plus
 
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pharaoh68 said:
Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple.

And remember, just because you seem to love Richard Black cues doesn't make them gold.

But I guess its like they say, opinions are like a**-holes. And I guess I just quoted one.


Are you kidding me? Did I just read that correctly?

Rg
 
pharaoh68 said:
I'm glad you think I can 'attest' (;) )HOWEVER, if you recall correctly, you were playing with your Schick with the spaceship inlays.

Besides, you play at Open speed and I suck ass. And, you're my kryptonite. You give me a game I'm supposed to win. But I can't. And why? Like I said, I suck.

(Oh, and if I recall correctly, on one occasion you held and hit with my fancy Skip and voiced your distaste, and rightly so. Plus, you also acknowledged that your Skip - which does play well - was a rarity. Most do not.)

Luv ya killer,
Brian

Plus

Yeez..
Your right I actually did give my Schick a test drive against you lastnight...
BUT, I did use the Skip shaft on it.. So, were both correct..
I will give you that my Skip does play exceptional.. Yes, I have tried yours that didn't appeal to me.. But, I can't put all of his work into these few examples.. Thats why everyone should make their own opinion..

This is a brutal thread... I think it helps AZer's to speak about great playing cues then the opposite.. Every cuemaker has made a dud in their time.. They shouldn't be chastised in public for it..
One cue doesn't make a career...
Brian-- Your loving this thread.. Aren't you..

Best,
Ken
Highendcues
 
Come on Randy, don't you take the word of an admitted hack player over a former world champ's (Mizerak) ???? :D

Just kidding, guys, I think Brian mispoke and meant that was his opinion, which we all are entitled to, of course, and that's what this thread is about. As a general rule, I don't care for the hit of Black's cues either, but a few I've had the pleasure of playing with were absolutely beasts. Also, there are worse hitting cues than them IMHO.
 
I just wanna add my 2 cents. I've only been playing pool for a couple of years and I've went through atleast 100 different cues. I only regret getting 2 of them, I think it was the shaft wood that made them play like crap.

Got a Dale Perry 1/1 (no offense to mr. perry) I think the shafts were made of drift wood.

And a Judd Fuller, I think he got his shaft wood from meucci cause that cue was so whippy I had to wait for the shaft to stop moving before I could take my next shot.
 
WOW! Playing for a couple years, 100 cues, that equals to about one cue a week dude!! Must be nice!
:p
 
runscott said:
I have heard that his cues are inconsistent, so there must be some truth in it. I have only owned one Skip Weston, and it was awesome - the points and veneers were as good as you will see, and my particular Skip had great shafts and hit like a dream.

As others have said, I think you really have to hit with several cues by the same cuemaker, before you can pass judgement, and even then it is subjective.

I will put Skips cues against anyones on a per cue basis. In fact there are a few cues that would qualify as the right hand of God. Tom G's cue has no equal, no place. It's simply the best playing Skip I have ever encountered. Why? I don't know. But I can tell you it was made the same time and in the same batch as the fancy cue Brian has an issue with. The shafts, same batch. However it is ivory jointed. It's just one of those cues that you will pay over for, and be happy you did.

But hit is subjective, ALSO if you hit with a cue you REALLY REALLY dislike, chances are you won't give a second cue from the same maker a chance. I have been guilty of this on occasion.

JV
 
classiccues said:
I will put Skips cues against anyones on a per cue basis. In fact there are a few cues that would qualify as the right hand of God. Tom G's cue has no equal, no place. It's simply the best playing Skip I have ever encountered. Why? I don't know. But I can tell you it was made the same time and in the same batch as the fancy cue Brian has an issue with. The shafts, same batch. However it is ivory jointed. It's just one of those cues that you will pay over for, and be happy you did.

But hit is subjective, ALSO if you hit with a cue you REALLY REALLY dislike, chances are you won't give a second cue from the same maker a chance. I have been guilty of this on occasion.

JV

Now I'm wanting my Skip back :(

Speaking of subjective, I had a Mottey that felt better than any cue I had ever owned up to that point - felt great in my hands, sounded and felt great when it hit the balls, drew the hell out of the ball - everything was perfect...but my game sucked with that cue. Weird. Still, it "felt" so great that I nearly bought it back two years later.

Hit is so subjective that I doubt this thread has much influence on anyone - I can look at the opinions of people who like the same hit as me (Jazz, Bogey, Mason), and that will definitely influence me, but I would never listen to anything Brian said. :)

Scott <=== headin out to watch Torre lose his job
 
I tried to play with a Samsara for a while , I couldn't do anything with it. I had one of those "rediscovered" McDermotts with the old spliced points, no good, it was as skinny as a pencil in the handle. Good thread, don't judge a book by it's cover.

Andy
 
pharaoh68 said:
Every Black I've ever played with played horribly. That's NOT an opinion. I did NOT like how they played. Plain and simple.

No, you said they ALL played like crap. That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. Now you're backpeddling to the ones you have played with.

Steve Mizerak seemed to like his Richard Black cues well enough to have owned more than a few, & I'd bet he knew what a nice hitting cue felt like.:p

pharaoh68 said:
And remember, just because you seem to love Richard Black cues doesn't make them gold.

And remember, just because you seem to hate Richard Black cues doesn't make them crap.

pharaoh68 said:
But I guess its like they say, opinions are like a**-holes. And I guess I just quoted one.

Didn't take long for the name calling to start. I guess that explains your signature.:rolleyes:
 
WalkerInTN said:
No, you said they ALL played like crap. That's YOUR opinion, not a fact. Now you're backpeddling to the ones you have played with.

Steve Mizerak seemed to like his Richard Black cues well enough to have owned more than a few, & I'd bet he knew what a nice hitting cue felt like.:p



And remember, just because you seem to hate Richard Black cues doesn't make them crap.



Didn't take long for the name calling to start. I guess that explains your signature.:rolleyes:
Sorry, dude, but this thread is all about opinions.... If you don't like those opinions of others in this thread, then feel free to start one of your own.

Please tell Steve Mizerak to post his own opinion in this thread and not send his proxy...

Thanks,

-Ross
Feels pity for those that can't form their own opinion
 
1pRoscoe said:
Sorry, dude, but this thread is all about opinions.... If you don't like those opinions of others in this thread, then feel free to start one of your own.

Please tell Steve Mizerak to post his own opinion in this thread and not send his proxy...

Thanks,

-Ross
Feels pity for those that can't form their own opinion

I agree it is about opinions, & I don't mind anyone having one.

Just don't try to pass it off as fact. Understand?



BTW, last time I checked, Steve had passed on.
 
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