who's to blame here????

[Shawn Armstrong]

This is the problem with pool players...

What you did was WRONG. Flat out WRONG. You held back speed playing the kid - sure, I can handle that. You held back speed playing dad for a little while, that was fine. When he bumped the bet, you knew you had a fish on the line. Like Fats said "I don't take the working man's money". I don't take the money of a man I know I can beat just to stroke my ego. I also would never beat a guy in front of his kid.

Here's a concept. Play the kid, and lay off a bit. Play the old man and torture him. The kid will feel good that you beat him, and the old man knows that you laid down and let him win.

This is why good pool players get called "hustlers". You hustled him, plain and simple. I hope the $70 was worth it, making a man look like an ass in front of his kid.

 

[paksat]

What you did was WRONG. Flat out WRONG. You held back speed playing the kid - sure, I can handle that. You held back speed playing dad for a little while, that was fine. When he bumped the bet, you knew you had a fish on the line. Like Fats said "I don't take the working man's money". I don't take the money of a man I know I can beat just to stroke my ego. I also would never beat a guy in front of his kid.

Here's a concept. Play the kid, and lay off a bit. Play the old man and torture him. The kid will feel good that you beat him, and the old man knows that you laid down and let him win.

This is why good pool players get called "hustlers". You hustled him, plain and simple. I hope the $70 was worth it, making a man look like an ass in front of his kid.

The "man" put his kid up to play him like it was a big deal.....

 

[danquixote]

What you did was WRONG. Flat out WRONG. You held back speed playing the kid - sure, I can handle that. You held back speed playing dad for a little while, that was fine. When he bumped the bet, you knew you had a fish on the line. Like Fats said "I don't take the working man's money". I don't take the money of a man I know I can beat just to stroke my ego. I also would never beat a guy in front of his kid.

Here's a concept. Play the kid, and lay off a bit. Play the old man and torture him. The kid will feel good that you beat him, and the old man knows that you laid down and let him win.

This is why good pool players get called "hustlers". You hustled him, plain and simple. I hope the $70 was worth it, making a man look like an ass in front of his kid.

Well.....I asked for opinions, so I welcome yours. For now your outlook on the situation seems to be the minority, but replies continue to roll in.....so who knows.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

The "man" put his kid up to play him like it was a big deal.....

Doesn't matter. Obviously, the OP knew he was better than both players. I hate to say this, but we should have some form of moral compass that lets us know taking money from a lesser player is HUSTLING. It wasn't like the old man was good, and offered the OP a really good test for the money. They didn't match up or play a set, or handicap the match. They were playing table stakes by the game. CLASSIC barroom hustle. And I don't care if he thinks he hustled the hustler. He may as well have played the kid for his allowance and beat him, too.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Well.....I asked for opinions, so I welcome yours. For now your outlook on the situation seems to be the minority, but replies continue to roll in.....so who knows.

That's great. I'm flattered to be the one with morality amongst the denigrates. "The rose amongst the thorns". Go match up against another good player at take his $70, good on you. You held back, then when MONEY came into the picture, you mopped the floor with him. EGO kicked in. If it was about winning, you would have played the guy and tortured him first. It was about making him look bad, and you look good.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Well done Dan. The guy asked for it and the guy got it. But, there is even a more nobler aspect to this, which I feel should be addressed, and that is young son learned a very valuable less here. Namely, don't go to a bar with Dad and let him lose all your lunch money.

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Well done Dan. The guy asked for it and the guy got it. But, there is even a more nobler aspect to this, which I feel should be addressed, and that is young son learned a very valuable less here. Namely, don't go to a bar with Dad and let him lose all your lunch money.

....and this is why pool will never be taken seriously as a sport, and why our sport continues to flounder. Instead of getting the young kid interested in pool, we hustle his dad. You're right - GOOD ON YOU.

Here's a lesson that could have taught EVERYONE something. Play the kid, and win. Play the dad, and WIN. Play your speed. If Dad wants to play you after seeing your speed, TAKE THE MONEY. But you intentionally dogged it up. Players that do that on a golf course are called sandbaggers. You are a sandbagger. By then raising your game to beat him for money, you have now made the transition from sandbagger to hustler. Congrats.

 

[danquixote]

That's great. I'm flattered to be the one with morality amongst the denegrates. "The rose amongst the thorns". Go match up against another good player at take his $70, good on you. You held back, then when MONEY came into the picture, you mopped the floor with him. EGO kicked in. If it was about winning, you would have played the guy and tortured him first. It was about making him look bad, and you look good.

Regardless of what you think of me or my methods......to refer to those that disagree with your assessment as degenerates shows a greater lack of character than what you feel I indulged in......IMHO

 

[terryerdman]

Josh

NO mercy!!! Go back and bust the kid.. He's got a piggy bank somewhere..


Classy response by the way Donny

Josh, that is the funniest response! I laghed my ass off. But like Hu said, if the Dad comes back the next night and wants to play again and raise the bet his name might be Jack Cooney!

 

[Shawn Armstrong]

Regardless of what you think of me or my methods......to refer to those that disagree with your assessment as degenerates shows a greater lack of character than what you feel I indulged in......IMHO

I said "denegrate", not "degenerate". Actually, I spelled the word wrong, it's "denigrate". Look them up - totally different meanings.

Degenerate:
1. A depraved, corrupt, or vicious person.
2. A person lacking or having progressively lost normative biological or psychological characteristics.

Denigrate:
1. To attack the character or reputation of; speak ill of; defame.
2. To disparage; belittle: The critics have denigrated our efforts.

I'm waiting for an apology for the "lack of character" comment anytime now.............

 

[danquixote]

I said "denegrate", not "degenerate". Actually, I spelled the word wrong, it's "denigrate". Look them up - totally different meanings.

My apology.....the incorrect spelling threw me off.....those that disagree with you are simply blackening the name and reputation of pool players everywhere, and while they may not be degenerates, they lack a certain moral character that you alone possess. I never intended for this to become a flame war....so this will be my last post on the subject, your opinion is worthy of consideration, no less valid than those that feel differently. For you to denigrate their opinions by insinuating they lack morality is condemnation prior to investigation. I doubt you know any of these people well enough to pass that judgement.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

....and this is why pool will never be taken seriously as a sport, and why our sport continues to flounder. Instead of getting the young kid interested in pool, we hustle his dad. You're right - GOOD ON YOU.

Here's a lesson that could have taught EVERYONE something. Play the kid, and win. Play the dad, and WIN. Play your speed. If Dad wants to play you after seeing your speed, TAKE THE MONEY. But you intentionally dogged it up. Players that do that on a golf course are called sandbaggers. You are a sandbagger. By then raising your game to beat him for money, you have now made the transition from sandbagger to hustler. Congrats.

If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times...Pool is not a sport. It's a game!

 

[cuesblues]

Teenage Son

Kind of an odd move by the dad in my opinion.
He shouldn't get into a money game with a pool player just because he thinks he can play, especially with his son around.

When I go out with my teenage son to play, we just go to have a good time and be together, eat some wings,
drink a few Dr. Peppers, not get into a money game.
I'm trying to improve his game and practice.

The dad sounds like another guy in a bar who thinks he can play, and just happened to have his son with him.

 

[randyg]

is $70 a lot of money where you live?

$70 is the end of the World for some people!...SPF=randyg

 

[gesan]

ridickulus

if pop could play at all - the minute you started to tune him up he would have clocked you exactly - sounds like the blind leading the blind to me

were you wearing 1 of them gloves?




I guess you're lucky they didn't break your thumbs!

 

[ShootingArts]

clocking

Kind of an odd move by the dad in my opinion.
He shouldn't get into a money game with a pool player just because he thinks he can play, especially with his son around.

When I go out with my teenage son to play, we just go to have a good time and be together, eat some wings,
drink a few Dr. Peppers, not get into a money game.
I'm trying to improve his game and practice.

The dad sounds like another guy in a bar who thinks he can play, and just happened to have his son with him.

Sounds like dad set things up and tried to use the game with his son for free to clock the OP. Then the game for the drink confirmed the clocking in his mind and he moved in for the kill. The dad was the aggressor all the way and when he attacked a little yellow dog and found he had gotten aholt of an alligator I can't feel any sympathy. Kinda bugs me that dad involved his son in this.

Hu

 

[JimS]

Dad saw an opportunity no doubt but imo you suckered him in and you were dishonest. I don't thnk you should have laid back on the kid. I think it's right to play YOUR GAME at all times. If they lose badly then they need to learn to play better. If they win then it's a fair game. I think you suckered them in and stole their money. I also think that, in your heart, you know that's what you did.

 

[ShootingArts]

an honest difference of opinion here

Dad saw an opportunity no doubt but imo you suckered him in and you were dishonest. I don't thnk you should have laid back on the kid. I think it's right to play YOUR GAME at all times. If they lose badly then they need to learn to play better. If they win then it's a fair game. I think you suckered them in and stole their money. I also think that, in your heart, you know that's what you did.

Jim,

I greatly respect you and your posts. We do have a difference of opinion concerning playing our best game at all times though. I never hammer a beginner into the dirt just because I can. I do relax and take it easy while trying to help and encourage them. I'm not deliberately missing but my shot selection and pattern play may be a little bogus and I'm not applying all the focus to my shots that I could. I'm not doing this for the benefit of the people watching and I don't get the impression that the OP was.

I don't know the OP and haven't read any of his older posts to judge him but it seems that he was playing what I call my "social game" until dad tried to take him. Had DQ been the one to suggest gambling then I would agree with what you are saying that he intentionally suckered "dad".

The entire time I gambled seriously I always had a social speed for playing my friends and family too. Even the friendly gamblers in my corner bar knew they weren't tangling with my "A" game. It was just a given when a stranger came through the front door to gamble that if I was there I would be the one playing him and my game might jump a ton while I did it and fall right back down when the stranger left. I was embarrassed a time or two when I got wired up during a gambling match and then after it was over realized that I had just destroyed the person playing me in a social setting for four or five games before shifting gears back to my social game.

Hu

 

[jimmyg]

Say three Hail Marys and two Our Fathers. :wink:

Jim

 

[1pRoscoe]

....and this is why pool will never be taken seriously as a sport, and why our sport continues to flounder. Instead of getting the young kid interested in pool, we hustle his dad. You're right - GOOD ON YOU.

Here's a lesson that could have taught EVERYONE something. Play the kid, and win. Play the dad, and WIN. Play your speed. If Dad wants to play you after seeing your speed, TAKE THE MONEY. But you intentionally dogged it up. Players that do that on a golf course are called sandbaggers. You are a sandbagger. By then raising your game to beat him for money, you have now made the transition from sandbagger to hustler. Congrats.

You don't gamble, do you?

The OP didn't do anything wrong, he welcome the father's proposal and proceeded to beat him.