Who's Who?

Anonymous contributors, like people willing to flip the bird to someone driving by at 60 mph, are the biggest impediment to this board improving, imo.


I agree with you, Mike. There is something about being right out there with your real name that forces you to very carefully consider every word you utter in public. It cuts down on the bullshit in other words....unless your name happens to be Fast Larry of course.

Ed
 
Andrew Manning said:
I like the anonymity; this way I can say whatever I want, and the only information anyone has to trace it back to me is my first and last name, general location, date of birth, and occupation. Anyone who needs my SSN, credit card #, and mother's maiden name, send me a PM.


Andrew.... lol... don't know... but this morning... this was REALLY funny! :D
 
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny
 
Danny Kuykendal said:
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny

Well I don't post much here and don't consider myself a regular. I'm still a die hard...gasp...RSBer and I know everyone (all five of us and the 2 monkeys) over there by name. (almost). Heck, with Fast Larry seemingly gone and Debra on vacation it's slowly becoming a decent place to post again. (I hesitate to even mention his name as it'll jinx things and he'll be back.)

If you like volume, though, and variety, nothing beats AZ. Something for everyone here. I prefer real names but, in truth, that has little bearing on whether or not I post here.

Ed
 
catscradle said:
If you're serious...
Several of my direct ancestors are on that document too. Probably several of yours too, if you have one you have serveral, it was a pretty small community back then.
Of course, that doesn't get me much. lol.

William Bradford, author of said document (and mayor of the colony), is my great-great-great...grandfather. His granddaughter married a Manning from whom I'm directly descended by Father-son line. My wife about died laughing when she found out my ancestry is about as blue as American blood gets, because she was already quite familiar and enamored with my family's current status of comfortable but unassuming middle-class lifestyle, ethnically and racially diverse marriages, great appreciation for drinking large quantities of bourbon out of plastic cups while playing spades and pool, and hearty disdain for yachts, luxury SUVs, BMWs, golf, Phil Collins, non-coach air travel, and khakis.

-Andrew
 
7781 members worldwide

Danny Kuykendal said:
Ed, I suppose it's a matter of whether or not you want to belong to a forum where you don't really know whom your speaking with, because obviously, this will not change here. I'm willing to put up with it myself, even though I would prefer to know the person.

Danny


Danny,

7781 members on this forum, worldwide. How many would you know if they gave their full name and location? You learn their background and experience from their posts and that is tied to whatever handle they use be it their full name or a totally BS handle. I have wondered at the silly handles that some super knowledgeable people use but maybe it is just a tweak of the nose at people who feel the way you do.

You have given your name and your occupation. I still know far more about you from the handful of posts you have made than from your profile or your own website. I would know just as much from your posts if you had used the handle Dandy Dan the Diaper Man. Well actually I would know a little more if you had used Dandy Dan the Diaper Man . . . .

Hu
 
mayflower

The Family name I was refering to is Capt. Thomas Rogers and his son Joesph who did in fact live with the bradfords as Thomas died the first yr. Leaving his wife and daughter in leidon. Joesph stayed with the bradford family. Thomas sold barbara straight for 300 guilders to but passage on the speedwell. which was to be a cod fishing vessel,which leaked women and children were not taken then and the remaining all went on the mayflower. The leideners and the adventurers signed the compact at sea. 3,000 miles from home. America that first evening they enjoyed the the pleasures of a sweet fire made from sweet smelling cedar. something was missing there were no people to be found
 
emccune said:
Well I don't post much here and don't consider myself a regular. I'm still a die hard...gasp...RSBer and I know everyone (all five of us and the 2 monkeys) over there by name. (almost). Heck, with Fast Larry seemingly gone and Debra on vacation it's slowly becoming a decent place to post again. (I hesitate to even mention his name as it'll jinx things and he'll be back.)

If you like volume, though, and variety, nothing beats AZ. Something for everyone here. I prefer real names but, in truth, that has little bearing on whether or not I post here.

Ed

Long live RSB, I've been lurking and occasionally posting there again, but I can 't use a newsreader in work so I have to go through a web application. Not the same experience.
 
jsp said:
What would be the reasonable arguments for these people not to remain anonymous?

Anonymity seems like a funny default to have to argue against, but I'll try.

For people like myself, who aren't regulars in the pool industry/community, there really aren't any added advantages. Just risks.

First, other than perhaps Fast Larry who got bopped in the nose, I've never heard of anybody having any reason to regret posting under their own names on these forums. I've met in person perhaps two hundred people who post here or on RSB. Unless there's something very unusual about you, there's really nothing that exciting about the fact that this pool comment was made by an actual person with an actual address. If all you want to do is find a name and an associated address, pick up a phone book. There are gazillions of them. If you're hiding from someone or something, that's different. So I think the "risk" you speak of is exaggerated.

As to what do you benefit? Well that's kind of subjective. Maybe it doesn't matter at all to you. But I find it kind of refreshing and even honorable that I stand behind what I say, that I'm accountable for what I've said in the past, that I say what I mean and mean what I say, that you know who you're talking to.

I would feel a little cheap being anonymous. It just smells a little too much to me like "Bill," who stops at the happy-ending massage parlor on his way home from work, or "Mary," who calls her insurance company anonymously to find out how not to word her description of her complaints to jeopardize coverage.

BTW, I was kidding with my previous post. My first name is Joe. Why exactly would anyone want/need my last name?

I know your name is Joe, which brings up another point. I know your name is Joe because you once corrected me when I called you Jim. Apparently all I internalized when I read your initials was the guy who uses three initials that starts with j. You're jsp. There's another poster , jal, whose name is Jim. When I called you Jim, it was because I confused you with jal. So for a long time all your opinions and views I interpreted in the context of someone who had posted all of jal's stuff. It painted an incorrect picture of you.

Finally, you asked what benefit is it to you to stand behind your words. That's a fine thing to ask, but it's not the only thing to ask. Another important question in what benefit is it to the group? We're not just here to take; we're here to give and take. This is a valuable forum precisely because of the ethic of giving that so many here have.

I recognize that when somebody posts over and over again with the same name, even a goofy made-up name, that eventually the person develops a personality and a history. I agree it really doesn't matter at this point when interaction with, for instance Smorgassbored, what his real name is.

But here are two things to consider.

(1) When new people come, they are much less likely to use their real name if they see other people are not using a name. Even though some of those other people might be fine upstanding contributors, the new people don't know that. Many of the new people feel free to do drive-by shootings, to create new rabble rouser identities, and so forth. I think they would be less likely to do this if there didn't seem like a culture of anonymity ion the first place.

(2) A poster will develop into a respected voice faster if he has a name/identity that are easy to remember.

Joe Smith, a room owner from New England,

John Jones, a first-year league player from Omaha,

Bill Olson, an older fella who used to travel around and play during the 1970s

Even if IRACKEMDUDE points out some some relevant information at some time, it's really hard to remember it or to put the words in any kind of context.

Finally, fake names are something people use all the time in chat rooms. Those are really more about socializing with people with like interests. It really doesn't matter what the content is, so long as people are having fun at the moment. This place, on the other hand, is a searchable, archived on-topic discussion. Sure it's social too, but the content matters here. I think people hiding behind fake names encourages the chat-room mentality of new posters who don't know any better.
 
mikepage said:
Anonymity seems like a funny default to have to argue against, but I'll try.
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here's where we differ - I couldn't care less what your name is...Makes no difference to me. If it bugged me and I had to find out someone's real name who posts on the internet I'd go see a doctor or something.
 
catscradle said:
Long live RSB, I've been lurking and occasionally posting there again, but I can 't use a newsreader in work so I have to go through a web application. Not the same experience.

Yup, I've seen you there, Steve. A couple of others have dared to return as well, but we're all tiptoeing around. He-who-shall-not-be named has taken vacations before so it's too early to get too excited. Hopeful though.

Ed

PS. Have you tried Recgroups? It has filters and is what I use when all else fails.
 
DannyK
As you could probably tell my name is Frank. You and I warmed up for a Swanny Event a couple years ago. Real name is Frank Howe but most everyone here in SoCal calls me Alabama or Bama. I got nothing to hide and really Im too big to do much hiding.
Enjoy playing pool alot and probably should be coming down to play at your place more than I do. I am down that way alot.
Now I mostly bang balls at Stix in Rancho.
Next time I'm in your place I will stop and say hello.

I have met a few RSB guys and AZ guys and its been fun everytime. Theres alot of us on here from SoCal. We should have a meet and greet at your place one day.

BTW-- what days do you guys have tournaments?

frank
 
Mike, You make a lot of sense. We are dealing with researchable, specific information more than just chatting, and I agree if more people placed their full names out there new members would as well. I did only because I have nothing to hide and on the Steel Guitar Forum, which I also belong to everyone knows who everyone else is. Believe me, on the Steel Guitar Forum, which hosts more members than this forum, all members can trust each other. No need to be incognito.
I also agree it's easy to crack a silly (but often times demeaning)
joke and then not have to take credit for doing it. Kind of like throwing a spitball in class and then turning away so the person can't see who did it.

Just my 2 cents.

Danny
 
emccune said:
Yup, I've seen you there, Steve. A couple of others have dared to return as well, but we're all tiptoeing around. He-who-shall-not-be named has taken vacations before so it's too early to get too excited. Hopeful though.

Ed

PS. Have you tried Recgroups? It has filters and is what I use when all else fails.

Yes, that is the web app I was referring to. It is okay, but I prefer a news reader.
 
Welcome to the board Danny. I was in LA in August and missed going to your place. It was Hard Times or your place and it came up tails on the flip. I hear good things about your place, next time I come to LA I will have to stop by.

I understand why people prefer anonymity on message boards, identity theft is just one concern of many that are valid reasons to be anonymous. That said, when things turn nasty and the woofing gets hot and heavy, I also believe that if people had to sign their name to what they write, this board would have alot less inflammatory postings. I for one am sick of keyboard warriors who are emboldened by anonymity and would never say what they say here to the same person in real life.

David Uwate
Miami, Florida
 
And what do you tell the kids?

I think that it comes down to the idea that indeed its true, I (JoeW) do not care what your name is. You should care that you are known and respected for who you are. If you take the time to post and share your thoughts with others then you should be willing to stand behind your words, with your integrity and self responsibility.

I learned to respect people over time and by their behavior and their actions. If you begin with your face behind a mask you place your self in a bad light to begin with. In addition, you temp yourself to make sniper attacks because no one knows who you are. This diminishes you in your own eyes.

People say it is the way of the internet. I am not a crusader but I have never believed in following the crowd simply to follow the crowd. At times the crowd's way is acceptable and at other times it causes harm. In every case the individual is responsible for the behavior he or she engages in regardless of what the crowd does. We all learned that in WWII and it is a very serious message.

Do you think that you should teach your children to remain anonymous in their interactions with others? Is this the way to live a "good" life?

Some would say the Internet is but leisure activity and that it doesn't really matter. By that reasoning, then playing pool doesn't matter either. And why would anyone engage in some thing that does not matter with reasonably serious thoughts that might lead to a better approach to playing pool?

Contradictions abound and it comes down to the dangerous pastime of wearing the coat of anonymity that allows one to say and be anyone. I may have to accept what others do but I do not have to agree with it - and neither do you. I think this is an important topic that needs to be discussed because of the way it affects the internet, which is a part of life in the modern world and because it is important to how we wisely raise our children.

So how do we teach our children to be proud of who they are and to remain safe in a dangerous world? A difficult questions and one that bears more thought than simply doing what everyone else does.

Before anyone takes offense, my comments are truly not about any one post or poster but are simply some thoughts on the matter.
 
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JoeW said:
I think that it comes down to the idea that indeed its true, I (JoeW) do not care what your name is. You should care that you are known and respected for who you are. If you take the time to post and share your thoughts with others then you should be willing to stand behind your words, with your integrity and self responsibility.
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Joe,
The way I see it, a name is just a hook to associate a concept with, in this case the concept is a person. Whether somebody uses 9ballmaven or John Q. Public III on here means nothing. If you meet somebody at a get together, they'll associate you with the name and the "handle", it isn't being anonymous. There is noting special about a formal name, it says nothing about who a person is or what he thinks. For instance, I happen to know Smorg's real name ("Spartacus" :D ), but he is more Smorg than his real name to me and there is a certain series of typical behaviours, his persona if you will, that I associate with him no matter what name he uses. The name is completely, absolutely irrelevant. If I ever actually meet him in the flesh then his real name will be relevent, but the persona will still be more important.
Sincerely,
Steven Clark Ellis - begat of Wally - begat of Nathaniel - begat of ... and the beat goes on.
 
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