Why CTE is silly
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This is also known as Hal's 3-angle system. It is a type of fractional-ball aiming. The value and limitations of these types of approaches are described here:
FYI, here's the complete quote from Hal on this topic:
Regards,Hal Houle said:
Dave
Should be interesting.
"....This explanation of the system that later became known as CTE only left readers scratching their heads; just as did the quoted comments Houle made in the AZBilliards forums in 2007 and 2008. But what these things did do, however, was to stir enough interest in a few readers to prompt them to take Houle up on his offer of free instruction by phone. A couple of curious readers even made the trek to Houle's home to get free personal instruction.
And what those personal calls and visits eventually led to was a few converts who now claim that there really is something to this CTE thing after all. And these few were now more than willing to defend it whenever its forum critics expressed their continued disbelief. Their biggest problem, however, was that they still couldn't (or maybe just wouldn't) explain exactly how it works.
In the next (and last) installment in this series, I am going to reveal what CTE really is, and explain why it has been so hotly debated. "
http://www.azbilliards.com/rogerlong/roger5.php
"....This explanation of the system that later became known as CTE only left readers scratching their heads; just as did the quoted comments Houle made in the AZBilliards forums in 2007 and 2008. But what these things did do, however, was to stir enough interest in a few readers to prompt them to take Houle up on his offer of free instruction by phone. A couple of curious readers even made the trek to Houle's home to get free personal instruction.
And what those personal calls and visits eventually led to was a few converts who now claim that there really is something to this CTE thing after all. And these few were now more than willing to defend it whenever its forum critics expressed their continued disbelief. Their biggest problem, however, was that they still couldn't (or maybe just wouldn't) explain exactly how it works.
In the next (and last) installment in this series, I am going to reveal what CTE really is, and explain why it has been so hotly debated. "
http://www.azbilliards.com/rogerlong/roger5.php
I sure hope Roger's third article actually lives up to the promise. The first two articles were interesting, but the suspense/hype is a bit over the top, IMO. I also hope the long-awaited DVD and/or book from Stan and/or Spidey also come out soon. Until we have an authoritative reference on CTE and/or Pro-One, the hype and skepticism that has continued for many years will continue on indefinitely.
Still waiting patiently,
Dave
This is a great post but I wonder, did Roger make that trek to see Hal. If he did I look forward to his article, If not what excactly are his resources. Hope he is not just winging it, after all you can't believe everything you read, can you?
Mike, I think this is quite normal for people on the genius IQ level. Not saying that Hal is on that level, just that that behavior is normal for that level.
The first link is nothing but the field manual for answering the question implied by this thread: "Why IS CTE silly?"
Who would have imagined that all those years ago Hal would write the ANSWER to my thread--which hadn't even been conceived then? Maybe Hal IS a genius...some kind of time traveler investigating cause-effect paradoxes
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Amazing that all this discussion has arisen from that small bit of total nonsense.
I just received a first full version of my Basic CTE and PRO ONE DVD. I am very pleased with how it has come together. I will do a few tweaks on version 1 and then view a 2nd full version, hopefully very soon. After that the DVD will soon be available. DVD time will be about 1:30. Pricing and other information should appear on justcueit.com soon. The DVD will be priced at $39 plus S/H.
Thanks for being patient.. It has been quite a process. I have enjoyed the whole ordeal.
Stan Shuffett
Thanks for the update Stan. I look forward to seeing it.
I hope sales go well,
Dave
So you're saying that, for geniuses and Hal at least, being "pretty normal" is pretty normal?
That would certainly set them apart from the rest of us.
pj
chgo
your not understanding again. reread.
He only went on the road with arguably one of the best players of all time. He's prob the last living guy who hung with Greenleaf at that level. Think he didn't get knowledge? He only has a few interesting things? I've learned so much from Hal over the 10 or so times we've spent time together. You're either not paying attention or never spent real time with him.
I have to agree with Mike.
In my conversation with Hal, he initially launched into his spiel about his aiming system. I let him go, but after about 10 minutes I started asking questions. It didn't go so well for Hal. He sputtered and had to back pedal on several assertions he had made.
Don't get me wrong. Hal is a very, very nice guy. And perhaps traveling with Greenleaf he did picked up a couple of things when Greenleaf wasn't in the bag (which, by most accounts, wouldn't have been very often). But great insights? Doubtful.
Maybe it's because I've been around the game longer than you and did catch the tail end of the post Hustler era, but I recall going to places like The Palace and Cochran's in San Francisco late at night and playing and watching many of the old-timers. For a couple of bucks a game you couple play almost any of them there, sitting on the rail, and they would regale you with countless systems, and tips about the game. It's where I first "learned" a number of them, like the ferrule system, the light system, the ghost table, and the spot on the wall. Old time pool rooms were filled with guys that had all kinds of arcane knowledge. And a few of the things they knew were actually right. But, much of it, nowadays, has been proven to be wrong -- even little rules-of-thumb that Mosconi -- arguably the greatest player of all time -- taught in his books.
Hal is a great old-timer. Just think of the stories he could have shared with all of us about the golden era of pool, if he had chosen to do so. Instead, we got half-baked ideas about aiming systems.
Lou Figueroa
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Maybe I misinturpreted your question. My question was use of the system for controling the OB for Position Play. Caroms is another topic but an interesting one. I've not seen any discussion on CB control with this system and is one of my problems with it. Lack of knowledge. All discussions call out Center Ball. Speed control is all I can think of to control the CB using CTE and Center Ball??????
^ Nicely put, Lou.
Discernment is always the steady guide forward.
From what little I've read of what Hal has come up with (who has had much more experience around pool than I've had, but much LESS experience around the challenges of thinking and analysis): It seems like he's someone who loves to THINK about pool aiming, but whose thinking hasn't turned out to have been meaningfully productive.
Some guys in his position just get LOST in their ideas--when they're not progressing as they would like.
That's just the way things can go when wrestling with new ideas.
Discernment is always the steady guide forward.
From what little I've read of what Hal has come up with (who has had much more experience around pool than I've had, but much LESS experience around the challenges of thinking and analysis): It seems like he's someone who loves to THINK about pool aiming, but whose thinking hasn't turned out to have been meaningfully productive.
Some guys in his position just get LOST in their ideas--when they're not progressing as they would like.
That's just the way things can go when wrestling with new ideas.
CTE is not silly. How can you guys be so callous. Seriously, there's nothing wrong with fighting against poverty. Have a heart...
http://www.ctecap.org/
http://www.ctecap.org/
Google, google, google.....
Are you sure they're not talking about "Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy?" Which I suppose comes from repeatedly banging your head against the wall and describes some of these threads pretty well. CTE causes CTE.
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