So I just pulled up a video match and counted shots. Out of about 40, Shane hit fewer than half of them with draw. My conclusion is that the title of this thread is false. Of course, 40 shots is not a career, but it does suggest that more careful observation is needed.
So I just pulled up a video match and counted shots. Out of about 40, Shane hit fewer than half of them with draw. My conclusion is that the title of this thread is false. Of course, 40 shots is not a career, but it does suggest that more careful observation is needed.
Bob, Thanks to this thread I was paying particular attention to SVB's matches that were streamed this past weekend. In watching SVB play four matches over the weekend, there's no question that SVB is aiming low on most of his shots. Of course, at the moment of contact, his cue tip may end up at a higher point on the cue ball.
I sent a PM to Bigtruck asking if we could have a archived stream of SVB from the past weekend for us to discuss further.
If you can shoot without english and consistent go for it. But have to master how to shoot with spin on cue ball in case you get out of line on your position
I assure you, I can use english if I have to. Did something give you the idea that I couldn't? Can you run a rack of 9 ball without using english? I can and have. It's something I was shown a long time ago and I'll admit, my jaw dropped when I saw it.
Knowing how to control the slide point of a cue ball (the point at which backspin wears off and the cb has no spin) is a very powerful tool. Strong players know how to make that happen to their advantage. There are a multitude of shots that you can execute with this knowledge, like the infamous draw-follow shot, where you strike the cb low to make it follow just a few revolutions after the backspin wears off, particularly if you have to squeeze it through a tight spot or can't afford to have it travel too far.
It's not really hard to master. You just need to practice a lot in order to develop confidence to do it in competition.
I assure you, I can use english if I have to. Did something give you the idea that I couldn't? Can you run a rack of 9 ball without using english? I can and have. It's something I was shown a long time ago and I'll admit, my jaw dropped when I saw it.
Yesterday and the day before I had the opportunity to watch Shane and many other pro players play some GREAT pool, both on a bar box and on 9 foot tables. I watched for many hours, sometimes sitting in with Ray Hansen on the BigTruck show doing some commentary.
There were many things that I paid attention to but one of them was how often Shane and others used side spin to make the cue ball track.
And just for the record, Shane starts out with his cue tip at the bottom of the cueball but it DOESN'T STAY THERE. He hits the cue ball wherever he needs to, in order to get the shape that the shot demands. Sometimes, he was hitting the cue ball at the very top of the vertical axis, near the miscue point.
As others have mentioned, specifically Fran Crimi; hitting the cue ball low and knowing that the reverse spins will wear off just as the cue ball hits the object ball, helps the shooter to know that the cue ball will follow the tangent line. And yes, many pool players including Shane do use "low" on many shots but the thing that continues to amaze me is how often and how well they use side spin to make that cue ball take paths that are not otherwise, open to them.
There was one shot that Shane shot during the tournament and I was wondering how he was going to get shape. Hold on let me see if I can do a cuetable diagram......
Now this shot was on a bar table with the heavy mud ball, just for the record. I used the 9 foot cuetable diagram tool because that's what I normally use. Anyway, while I was watching him decide what he was going to do, initially I wondered why he didn't just hit the ball very low to slow up the speed of the cue ball and make shoot the 8 ball in the opposite corner pocket. After he shot it I kind of said to myself, "wow" I'm going to go try that and I did.
At first I thought he was using a little low outside English but after shooting shot several times I quickly concluded that he was using just low and it was the speed of the cue ball, the spot where the cue ball hits the first rail and the amount of "low" that he was using that made the cue ball track this way. After contacting the 6 ball I believe the cue picked up a little side spin on its own helping it to follow the needed path.
Knowing how to control the slide point of a cue ball (the point at which backspin wears off and the cb has no spin) is a very powerful tool. Strong players know how to make that happen to their advantage. There are a multitude of shots that you can execute with this knowledge, like the infamous draw-follow shot, where you strike the cb low to make it follow just a few revolutions after the backspin wears off, particularly if you have to squeeze it through a tight spot or can't afford to have it travel too far. It's not really hard to master. You just need to practice a lot in order to develop confidence to do it in competition.
Bob, Thanks to this thread I was paying particular attention to SVB's matches that were streamed this past weekend. In watching SVB play four matches over the weekend, there's no question that SVB is aiming low on most of his shots. Of course, at the moment of contact, his cue tip may end up at a higher point on the cue ball.
I sent a PM to Bigtruck asking if we could have a archived stream of SVB from the past weekend for us to discuss further.
Well, yes, I agree that he's doing the "address the ball at the bottom and then drop your elbow to hit higher" technique. I was just complaining about the title of this thread which asks "Why does SVB hit the cueball low almost all the time?" The question in the title introduces facts not in evidence, as a lawyer might say, similar to the question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
BigTruck has archived the matches that Shane played on the streaming table and you can register at his site poolactiontv.com and retrieve any of the matches free of charge at this time.
I assure you, I can use english if I have to. Did something give you the idea that I couldn't? Can you run a rack of 9 ball without using english? I can and have. It's something I was shown a long time ago and I'll admit, my jaw dropped when I saw it.
One of the best players I have had the pleasure of learning from is a guy named Balboa Sawyer from Naples, FL. He runs out frequently using just follow and speed control. Yes, I know many people can do that. But I think Balboa is the best I have ever seen at it. I played 3 sessions with him and saw him draw the ball probably one time. And a nice guy.
BigTruck has archived the matches that Shane played on the streaming table and you can register at his site poolactiontv.com and retrieve any of the matches free of charge at this time.
Is Shane as consistent as Archer,Strickland,or Sigel was?
Shane seems to be extremely consistent,even though it sounds like he is still experimenting with a few aspects of his game. On the path that he is on,is his cueing and performance as consistent as Archer,Strickland,Sigel,were at his age/experience? It seemed to me that Earl played safe more as he aged,but I didn't see as many changes in Archer or Sigel's games(9 & 10-Ball especially)as they gained experience. Does hitting the Cue Ball low,seem to be a more permanent part of SVB's game now? Did any of them have any advantage over Shane,at the same time frame of their careers?
Well, if the cb is sliding when it contats the object ball, then yes, it's a stun shot. But the draw-follow shot is where the cb impacts the ob just after it stops sliding and just barely starts to pick up normal roll, so it's not a stun shot, but more like a very gentle follow shot. This type of finesse shot allows the shooter to control the force of the hit without having to slow-roll it and still get the effect of a slow roll.
Well, if the cb is sliding when it contats the object ball, then yes, it's a stun shot. But the draw-follow shot is where the cb impacts the ob just after it stops sliding and just barely starts to pick up normal roll, so it's not a stun shot, but more like a very gentle follow shot. This type of finesse shot allows the shooter to control the force of the hit without having to slow-roll it and still get the effect of a slow roll.
Just say it's a kill shot. easier to understand lol.
You're killing the draw on the cueball so it picks up follow instead by the time it hits the ob.
I think I've heard/read people refer to it as draw-drag or just drag shot too.
On a side:
I like using medium speed with a tiny bit of tops. It does the same thing. Just a preference since my stroke aint the straightest =( My cb tends to swerve if I hit it too softly with draw =(
When I first started playing, one of the things that puzzled me most was the pinoys in my area (no major names, some definite major connections) always stroked the cueball with the tip right at bottom center.
They would shoot the shot, then the object ball and cueball usually did some wonderful things.
It took me a while to see what they were doing, and honestly can't do it myself, but somehow they line up low and on that last stroke they put that tip were ever they need it.
I don't know if they invented it, or just perfected it - I do wish I could do the same!
Just say it's a kill shot. easier to understand lol.
You're killing the draw on the cueball so it picks up follow instead by the time it hits the ob.
I think I've heard/read people refer to it as draw-drag or just drag shot too.
On a side:
I like using medium speed with a tiny bit of tops. It does the same thing. Just a preference since my stroke aint the straightest =( My cb tends to swerve if I hit it too softly with draw =(
Tops? What's tops? LOL. Between you and me with our terms--- we should start our own dictionary.
That's funny, because I strike it lower to hold the line better. It may all just come down to what you're confident with. I'm very comfortable hitting the ball low and scraping the cloth with my tip. Yet, try to get me to spin a golf ball...can't do it. Afraid to hurt the grass. Go figure.
Joey, this is something that I have been trying to emphasize on here in various posts. ALWAYS first look at where your stun shot will take you. And, know that cutting a ball will put english on the cb. Then, you know what to do for position. Many times, you don't even need to use english for position, just have to know how to properly utilize a stun shot.
