Why does SVB hit the cueball low almost all the time ?
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Exactly right...I've been working on this for two weeks, and it added five balls to my average run. Much more accuracy. Lost my cue ball a little bit in the beginning, but that wore off quick. Some times you gotta line up the shot with the English applied, but for 90% of my shots I'm stroking at the contact point on the cloth and putting the tip on the cueball where it needs to be on the execution stroke. I don't have to drop my elbow (that much) either. I tried my old stroke and this base of the cue ball stroke the other day, and the base of the ball is way better for me...I definitely see the attraction of this stroke style! By the way, besides the Pinoys, Earl was doing this years ago, too.
Rafael Martinez & Santos Sampajon appear to "draw" the CB
most every shot, and I would say it's working for them. I have also
observed the same routine with many other top players.
most every shot, and I would say it's working for them. I have also
observed the same routine with many other top players.
As someone already metion the word " SLIDE" . If you make the CB "slide" ( not ROLL ) before contact with the object ball , there a likely no-throw when it hit the OB, it results for more accurate shot .
What does it mean no-throw ?
it means if you roll the CB and hit the OB, you will have to aim a little bigger or thinner ( depends on shot ) than where the ghost ball really is . with a "sliding" CB , you come nearly exactly where the ghost ball is .
Not only for the accuracy, you can get a some fantastique positional shot with that type of stroke.
I'm practising and comparing it for the last 3 months so I can assure you that's true .
If you want a real example how to play like that . go to YouTube and type : Yukio Akagariama ( Yes the 3rd WTBC and 1st WPC plays like that :thumbup: ) .
Sensational Stroke , huh :thumbup:.
Last word, I was told that it comes from 8-pool , 8-pool players usually use that type of stroke, mb SVB was taught by his mom or aunt to play like that ( don't bash me if i'm wrong
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Pretty much lol
As someone already metion the word " SLIDE" . If you make the CB "slide" ( not ROLL ) before contact with the object ball , there a likely no-throw when it hit the OB, it results for more accurate shot .
What does it mean no-throw ?
it means if you roll the CB and hit the OB, you will have to aim a little bigger or thinner ( depends on shot ) than where the ghost ball really is . with a "sliding" CB , you come nearly exactly where the ghost ball is .
Not only for the accuracy, you can get a some fantastique positional shot with that type of stroke.
I'm practising and comparing it for the last 3 months so I can assure you that's true .
If you want a real example how to play like that . go to YouTube and type : Yukio Akagariama ( Yes the 3rd WTBC and 1st WPC plays like that :thumbup: ) .
Sensational Stroke , huh :thumbup:.
Last word, I was told that it comes from 8-pool , 8-pool players usually use that type of stroke, mb SVB was taught by his mom or aunt to play like that ( don't bash me if i'm wrong
Can't get the video, link anyone?
Last word, I was told that it comes from 8-pool , 8-pool players usually use that type of stroke, mb SVB was taught by his mom or aunt to play like that ( don't bash me if i'm wrong
What is 8-pool and why would that have anything to do with it??
I swore I would never post on one of these topics but after reading 7 pages, it is time to say something. Here it goes:
With draw english you get a much better hit and a much truer roll on the object ball.
With high english, the object ball becomes heavier. The object ball is pushed down into the table and a number of bad things can happen. The object ball could be sitting in the tiniest of dents in the cloth. There could be a spec of chalk at the contact point or on the table in front of the object ball. The object ball could be sticky or leaning on a spec of dirt or a hair. High english lengthens in time the contact and can and will push the ball ever so slightly, causing a miss.
With draw english, the object ball becomes lighter. The object ball is pushed up (toward air!). Debris, chalk, dirt etc. effect a shot to a far less degree with draw english. Furthermore, draw english is normally hit firmer than with high english, lessening time of contact and the chance of something going wrong even more.
Good players instinctively sense all of this and go straight to the bottom of the cue ball whenever they can. Draw english is control english and far more preferable...even more preferable than the conventional wisdom of center ball.
With draw english you get a much better hit and a much truer roll on the object ball.
With high english, the object ball becomes heavier. The object ball is pushed down into the table and a number of bad things can happen. The object ball could be sitting in the tiniest of dents in the cloth. There could be a spec of chalk at the contact point or on the table in front of the object ball. The object ball could be sticky or leaning on a spec of dirt or a hair. High english lengthens in time the contact and can and will push the ball ever so slightly, causing a miss.
With draw english, the object ball becomes lighter. The object ball is pushed up (toward air!). Debris, chalk, dirt etc. effect a shot to a far less degree with draw english. Furthermore, draw english is normally hit firmer than with high english, lessening time of contact and the chance of something going wrong even more.
Good players instinctively sense all of this and go straight to the bottom of the cue ball whenever they can. Draw english is control english and far more preferable...even more preferable than the conventional wisdom of center ball.
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Paul,
sorry but I call BS I just don't see it Sounds like a nice story to amuse the kids. I hear the all powerful footsteps of Dr. Dave coming.
Wow!
Do you believe this effect is cumulative or is there a limit to the "weight" change? (Are you considering the changing "weight" of the cue ball as increases and decreases in its "mass"?)
Seriously you had me there for a second. I was imagining you might also say that if you applied the right amount of draw you could make the cueball lighter than air and it would just float above the cloth indefinitely.
Funny stuff there Paul.
Oh yeah, when I was born the doctor hung a tag on my toe that said, "pool player." Then God came to my crib and told me to always hit the cue ball low. Side english is the work of the devil and he warned me about using the 25 sheckle chalk.
After reading all the posts, I have to agree with Gary. Whats going on is an old philipino method which has almost nothing to do with aiming or english. Its simply an effective way to mask your stroke, invented way back when everything about pool was a cherished secret. By now, it has been copied and passed on by many. My partner shoots this way, but has no idea why. Let me tell you, its very deceiving. Only way to know what he really did is to look at his cue ball.
Neil what i mean is, some people are more natural than others and take to the game or other sports straight away. These people ive noticed who are more natural players all strike low on the cueball naturally.