Why has no one beat Mosconi's high run?
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Have you ever seen Mosconi play in person from 5 feet away?
Yes the conditions of play today are better and/or easier.....but,
Stu, with all due respect, ( it was great meeting you in vegas btw) tournaments " back in the day", specifically 14.1 tournaments, in the u.s. were always held on "new" Brunswick tables with new cloth and new cushions (and balls), with specific pocket dimensions. ( 4.5" corner pockets ( or smaller) on a 5×10 table up until 1949)
The Derby is indeed the best location to beat The Record, because of witness potential and videography, and because of the reward....but yet ...
No record breakers.
Who wants to claim they can run 9 balls in a row?
Who wants to claim 10?
15?
Who wants to claim 600 without stopping?
Clue: every pool player on earth
If by "always" you mean very rarely, I agree.
Back in the day, 30 years or more to define it, I attended many 14.1 events. Most of them were regional events in the east, many of them were just qualifiers for the big events. Except for the PPPA World championships and the US Open 14.1, almost all events were played in pool rooms on old slow equipment with composition balls. The pockets were nearly always looser than 4.5", typically 4.75" and went as big as 5" at times.
The game is played on significantly tighter equipment today than it was in the 1970's and 1980's, but the guys shoot much straighter than the guys of yesteryear, so they can fade it.
Irving Crane set the exhibition record of 309 on a 10-footer in 1939. Mosconi tied it in 1945. [Info from Mosconi's autobiography.]
And here is a list that includes an item about Babe Cranfield running 420 on a 10-footer: http://www.thehypertexts.com/Pool Billiards record high runs.htm. Hmmm.
You really think many of these guys aren't playing 14.1 everyday with a video cam running? They're doing it but can't beat the run.
Lou Figueroa
If he didn't often follow through with his runs, yet managed a 526 anyways..
I think most that saw him play can attest to the fact that he'd run 100 at *every* exhibition and then do trick shots. Just think if he had continued each and every time :-o
Probably what is most remarkable to me is that he'd do this traveling the country and do it on different equipment every night, maybe 300 days out of the year.
Lou Figueroa
Then why did he play so bad on video?
Every recording I have ever seen of him shows a game that is far inferior to todays top players.
Small sample size? Old age?
Still, 15 world championships against fields comprised of nothing but 14.1 specialists, in an era in which straight pool was the game of choice.
Lou Figueroa
This topic certainly has a lot of interest in this forum.
I think the answer is quite simple.
Nobody has beat it because nobody can.
Think about it,,, even without the possibility of making a dime, if I could beat that record, I would.
Wouldn't you?
Wouldn't anybody?
I think the answer is quite simple.
Nobody has beat it because nobody can.
Think about it,,, even without the possibility of making a dime, if I could beat that record, I would.
Wouldn't you?
Wouldn't anybody?
why has no one beat Mosconi high run
HI George Chenier from Canada ex North American Snooker Champion
ran 150 Balls in 14.1 against Irvine Crane
Cannot remember the year maybe someone can help me with this
Cheers Leonard from Montreal Quebec Canada
HI George Chenier from Canada ex North American Snooker Champion
ran 150 Balls in 14.1 against Irvine Crane
Cannot remember the year maybe someone can help me with this
Cheers Leonard from Montreal Quebec Canada
HI Looked it up it was in 1963 in New York City that George
Chenier ran 150 and out against Irving Crane
Cheers Leonard
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HI Looked it up it was in 1963 in New York City that George
Chenier ran 150 and out against Irving Crane
Cheers Leonard
Agree. How lame are these excuses? "I would if there was any money in it. Right now I have to practice for my next tournament. I have to travel 100 miles to play 15 world champions with a chance to win 2000 dollars for first or break even with second place..."
Of course it would be no problem for the modern players to break the world record. What would Mosconi or Strickland know about pool? Every shortstop today are better than these guys
We either have to believe that:
1. None of these guys knows anything about the value of the world record, have any pride in accomplishment and that they are all incredibly lazy.
2 That they simply cannot do it.
A run of that length needs incredible skill, stamina and a lot of luck as well. There are good reasons why it still stands, and they are not just equipment related.
Of course. The question is why can't anyone beat it? I think there are players today who have the innate ability to do it, so why can't they?
In my opinion, the answer lies in why Mosconi was able to do it in the first place. When he ran 526, he was doing pretty much nothing but playing 14.1. If he wasn't in a tournament he was criss-crossing the country doing exhibitions. Today, there are two major 14.1 tournaments in the US a year and those happen back-to-back. The rest of the year is 9- and 10-ball events.
I think that if John Schmidt was playing 14.1 day-in, day-out back when he was recording 300-400 ball runs he would have eventually broken the record. But a person's gotta eat and you aren't going to win 9-ball tournaments playing 14.1. And you aren't going to run 527 balls playing nothing but rotation games.
I think John has had his camera rolling 100s and 100s of times trying to break the record and I highly doubt he is the only one
Every yr for decades the same question is asked you get the same answers and only one run has been close
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Excellent points.
On November 24, 1960, Wilt Chamberlain snagged 55 rebounds in a game against the Boston Celtics and sets an NBA record for the most rebounds in a single game.
Why hasn't anyone beaten that record?
I don't know... ninjas?
I also don't know how you can compare pool and basketball. The only similarity is that they both use balls.
Agree. How lame are these excuses? "I would if there was any money in it. Right now I have to practice for my next tournament. I have to travel 100 miles to play 15 world champions with a chance to win 2000 dollars for first or break even with second place..."
Of course it would be no problem for the modern players to break the world record. What would Mosconi or Strickland know about pool? Every shortstop today are better than these guys
We either have to believe that:
1. None of these guys knows anything about the value of the world record, have any pride in accomplishment and that they are all incredibly lazy.
2 That they simply cannot do it.
A run of that length needs incredible skill, stamina and a lot of luck as well. There are good reasons why it still stands, and they are not just equipment related.
1. they all know the emotional value of the record. The financial value is not clear.
2. they can do it. there is no reason other than luck why you can't run 500 if you can run 300. Mosconi played straight pool only every day of his professional life. He set a record on a 4x8 with giant pocket. Professional events were played on giant pockets.
3. No one but a handful of purists cares. 14.1 is pretty much dead as a professional competitive game around the world. Only a small number of people care about it anymore and to them breaking mosconi's record would be great. Otherwise it's a waste of time for pros to spend their time on an old game trying to break an accidental record. Darren's 200 in competition is much more meaningful to me although it also was done on a table with giant pockets but at least under the pressure of competition.
His 400 ball run wasn't recorded. I think you have to ask John whether he tried with cameras on or not.
And did he try on a 4x8 with 5.25" pockets?