Why pay to recover table

This is an interesting thread to me. I understand the original posters feelings when it comes to paying a lot of labor to get a table recovered. The bottom line seems to be with enough research on the web or learning through dvd and published materials with a small investment in tools there is no reason you cannot do it yourself. To take it a step further there is no educational or certifications required to become a table mechanic. A very wise man once told me that I could take my car to a mechanic to get the brakes replaced and pay 60-65 dollars an hour labor not to get my hands dirty or I could go buy about 60 dollars in tools and the materials and do it myself. That way you have learned how to do it yourself and do not have to pay others to do it or work on their schedule.

Money can be a real motivator. Granted, if you have never even seen something done and cant find info on how to do it properly you should not attempt it. If the info is out there then why not learn to do it yourself. It is bad enough that many companies will not even work on single piece slate tables. There is a shortage in this area anyhow of companies that will even consider doing the work. THe one large company in this area I called for an estimate on a GC2 I was goig to buy. They would not even tell me their hourly rate. They worked up a quote but said that the table had to be disassembled and moved to their shop then returned and reset to recover it or replace the cushions. They are preying on anyone who is willing to pay. I ended up not buying the GC2 and bought a small Diamond instead. When the diamond was being installed though I asked about recovering and the installers basically said I was lucky as I live near a major annual event so I could count on Diamond being in the area at least once a year for that. They suggested giving three months notice on when I wanted it done.

Another interesting point on this thread is above we have a poster that has had no previous experience doing a recover in five hours after watching a dvd. Even he pointed out that next time it will be faster because he will be more familiar with it. Just imagine how good he will be after doing it a dozen or more times.

Makes a person wonder what it really takes to call yourself a pool table mechanic and start doing it for profit? At least with auto mechanics there is a certification process. I could never understand how an auto mechanic can charge 65 an hour without even a high school diploma and you see managers at McDonalds making 30-40k a year with masters degrees in restaurant management.
 
reasons to call an expert...

Sure, a handy DIY'er could probably assemble a table and do a satisfactory job of installing bed cloth. A casual player will never know the difference, but a good player absolutely will!

The difference comes from an expert that has done thousands of tables and has learned the tricks of the trade (that you'll never see on YOUTube) that are so critical in getting the table to look and play as well as possible. Especially when you run across problems such as crowned slates, dead rails, cross threaded bolts, and poorly cut pocket angles. These are all problems that an expert knows how to fix the right way.

I rarely ever do a table where there are several steps along the way that the customer will not say, "I've never seen it done that way before!"

I don't care how many videos a person has watched. They will never get Simonis cloth installed to perfection unless they've done it many many times and have had hands on training from an expert.

Properly leveling a frame and slates using multiple machinist levels, with a minimal amount of shims, as well as getting the seams on plane and sealed perfectly is somewhat of an art form that again come from experience of doing thousands of tables.

I could go on and on, especially about rail work, but the bottom line is that spending a few hundred bucks to have a professional do the job is worth it in the long run if you want the job done right!
 
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I did it once. New rubber too. Bed came out perfect. Rubber glued on nice. Cloth on the rails didnt turn out too well.

It's a **** ton of work, especially if you don't know the process and little tricks. I have a great mechanic that does Simonis 860 with new rubber all for 600. IMO, Id rather pay the 600 to have it done right by someone that has been doing it for years, then 300+ just to bust my ass and possibly do a bad job on my own.
 
Why pay?

Some people buy a pool table to play pool, not to learn how to setup a pool table, and don't care if it's hard/easy/whatever. Guys who come in and do a professional job need to be paid for their time and knowledge. I'm a pretty handy guy, but there things that just simply have absolutely no interest for me, and this is one of them.

I've played on enough tables that were "professionally" done, but still look like crap, play like crap, have loose cloth, etc. that I would personally consider it money extremely well spent to have a real pro get it right the first time.
 
It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables, I think I might take this on as a side job. People really should try and do this themselves at least once before calling a installer. I'm really anal when it comes to setting up mine and my friends table from using machinest levels on the frame work, then the slate. Corner squares for 90* corners and straight edges for the side rails. The hardest part is folding the rails. Which I think someone could easily skip the rails if they were scared to mess up the first time.
Try it once!!!! Level, square,cover with cloth! Watch YouTube if you need, only takes a few hours. Enough pool league guys at least 1 of em knows how to do it, have him help you, play on his table setup for a season then strip it down and do it to your standards! My rant is over! Please carry on

I've done it both ways. As long as the guy can do it as good or better than I can then I have no issue paying him. My time is more valuable under the hood of Mercedes and BMW's @ 95 per hour than working on my pool table. Simple concept.

There in lies the rub though. Can they do it better than I can? Not that many frankly.



JC
 
How much does it cost? I think I would not only want it done right, but wouldn't want to do all the work, but I'm a lazy SOB...
 
Currently shopping for a gold crown, and considered doing some of the work myself as I am a huge diyer. Now I'd rather just pay someone else which is my initial train of thought, but my buddy said I am sure with time we can figure it out. Wouldn't hurt in the long run to be able to maintain something I own either. I think there's a good amount of pride in being able to service/maintain your own stuff, granted your willing to put the time and effort. While it may be easy to one person, it can be difficult for the next. If you can do it yourself more power to you, but I've seen table techs working hard at pool halls and while it doesn't seem like rocket science it sure isn't button pushing.
 
It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables, I think I might take this on as a side job. People really should try and do this themselves at least once before calling a installer. I'm really anal when it comes to setting up mine and my friends table from using machinest levels on the frame work, then the slate. Corner squares for 90* corners and straight edges for the side rails. The hardest part is folding the rails. Which I think someone could easily skip the rails if they were scared to mess up the first time.
Try it once!!!! Level, square,cover with cloth! Watch YouTube if you need, only takes a few hours. Enough pool league guys at least 1 of em knows how to do it, have him help you, play on his table setup for a season then strip it down and do it to your standards! My rant is over! Please carry on

The next time, I'm doing it myself.

My table was ruined this year by the last "experts" I paid to recover it. I now need new bumpers, need to redo the wood rails as the cushions were set too low and now they're scratched from the cues...oh, and my cues are worn because of that, the corner pockets were reduced without my permission, the sides are all loose after only a few months, the slates have separated and unlevel now, etc. etc. Not happy.

I even recently discovered a big azz lag screw sticking out of the side of the cabinet! wtf????? etc.

Jeff Livingston
 
I've played on enough tables that were "professionally" done, but still look like crap, play like crap, have loose cloth, etc. that I would personally consider it money extremely well spent to have a real pro get it right the first time.

My GC4 came in 13 boxes. 2 local experienced service techs did the install. Took about 4 hours. After a while I realized it was an amateur job. Won't go into details. They are perfect techs for home table owners that have no idea of a good or bad installation.

I did a lot of research for the next job. Cushions, re-cloth, calibrate pockets. etc. When he was done I paid and thanked him.
Sorry I did not know how to choose a tech in the beginning...however the people that sold the table to me did the install. Now I know....and yes do it right the first time or do it over...and pay again. Which is cheaper?
 
I bought a 9 foot table and ended up setting it up myself, with money being one of the major factors in that decision, and I have no regrets. RKC's guide to leveling 3 piece slate worked like a charm (Sticky thread in table mechanics section).

I bought the RKC Simonis dvd set for bed and rail cloth installation, watched them a couple of times, then got started. I played the DVDs as I did the installation, watching a section, then Pausing the dvd to complete each part, step by step. The bed cloth was really not that bad. The rails were a little tricky, but I went slow, and was able to figure it out. The Simonis 860 on my table came out perfect. The dvd really is worth the money, it shows exactly how to properly stretch any worsted wool cloth.

Table covering took me about 6 hours the first time because I went really slow to ensure no mistakes, and I was by myself. I'm sure it will go quicker the next time. If I can do it, I'm pretty confident anyone can as long as they follow the video and take there time...


I went this exact same route. First on an Olhausen, then on my current Diamond Professional. I consider myself fairly handy, did the research, and the table plays perfect. I do think that leveling the table and putting down the cloth is not as complex a procedure as replacing or refurbishing rails/cushions.
 
It makes me sick what people are paying to setup tables, I think I might take this on as a side job. People really should try and do this themselves at least once before calling a installer. I'm really anal when it comes to setting up mine and my friends table from using machinest levels on the frame work, then the slate. Corner squares for 90* corners and straight edges for the side rails. The hardest part is folding the rails. Which I think someone could easily skip the rails if they were scared to mess up the first time.
Try it once!!!! Level, square,cover with cloth! Watch YouTube if you need, only takes a few hours. Enough pool league guys at least 1 of em knows how to do it, have him help you, play on his table setup for a season then strip it down and do it to your standards! My rant is over! Please carry on

Where's those pictures of your table:thumbup:
 
what locals?

The next time, I'm doing it myself.

My table was ruined this year by the last "experts" I paid to recover it. I now need new bumpers, need to redo the wood rails as the cushions were set too low and now they're scratched from the cues...oh, and my cues are worn because of that, the corner pockets were reduced without my permission, the sides are all loose after only a few months, the slates have separated and unlevel now, etc. etc. Not happy.

I even recently discovered a big azz lag screw sticking out of the side of the cabinet! wtf????? etc.

Jeff Livingston

Why not call Big Dogs?
 
To do it myself I need

Syberts 8' -
Simonis 860 $329
Lots of staples and spray glue
Bees wax
6 hours labor and sore fingers
Table won't be level

Or

Chambers and $450


To me it's a no brainier
 
I used to do all my own car repairs, oil, breaks, tune ups, those days are over. It ended on the day when I didn't tighten up the filter on an oil change and leaked oil all over the street and my driveway.
 
To do it myself I need

Syberts 8' -
Simonis 860 $329
Lots of staples and spray glue
Bees wax
6 hours labor and sore fingers
Table won't be level

Or

Chambers and $450


To me it's a no brainier

I agree with this general analysis. Table mechanics are able to buy the cloth at a significant discount from what is available to the general public (as they should, since we are retail and they are buying wholesale). The result is that the "extra" cost of getting it done professionally is really quite small in the grand scheme of things and if you get a good mechanic, the results are well worth it to me.

Now, for some people, $200 or so may make a huge difference, and I get that. And for others, they may get pride in doing it themselves and I get that too.

I, myself, don't begrudge one bit paying a good mechanic to do it right.
 
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