Why Shanelle should be given a chance?

[phoebe choy]

How many Shanelles are we going to be allowed before the sport loses all credibility? The problem with sponsoring her, parading her infront of audiences, promoting her has to do with what the rest of the world is going to think. Jeanette Lee's looks may have gotten the world's attention but it's her world class skill that keeps the customer.

Fact is, you go to any major tournament and there are beautiful women aplenty that can hold a cue. In fact, some of those beautiful women are on the pro tour or have done serious damage at the amateur events. They have put off career moves, held back on having families, spent countless hours in the poolroom so that they could be ready for the next big event. To have a sponsor come along and overlook these devoted women and sponsor a pin-up is insulting and very unmotivating.
Hey, I'd be first in line to take that girl out for dinner but I can understand why some women are upset. I've seen her play. She's a pin-up, not a player.

I am one of those who have put it off for my kids. And you are right on how depressing it makes me feel that I couldn't have gotten an offer like that cause I KNOW I was a player, and I KNOW I could get to "that" level (if I wasn't already there).......but I don't hate on Shanelle, or any girl pool player for that matter. I encourage any and all girls for whatever their reasons to pick up the cue. Now I don't mean to walk around with a chip on your shoulder like you're some bad ass, pay your dues and become a player to earn that respect. I just want other girls to see (or hope to) why I love to play the game....and you never know when you might inspire someone to become a world-class player.

I think that shes gotta make a living too...even if it's off her boobs/ass/face, etc. (yes I said it). If she practices REALLY hard there is a slight chance of her becoming a top player. So, for my 2 cents: Let it be, she is lucky to have gotten whatever deals she has gotten. I do believe that there are A LOT more deserving girls out there, but some people are luckier in that sense, can't hate/dog em for that. I respect her as a person, just not quite yet as a player.

I think she is good to attract people to the game/sport, but it would be even better if she played at LEAST A speed:frown: I'm sure she knows that she is nowhere near competition level of play and that is probably exactly why she stays the hell away from it..lol!!! In any of the US amatuer womens tours she wouldn't fare well, and that would look bad for her sponsorships if she can't win...I'm sure she knows this. All us other girls who know what it's like to play that level, know it too, that she is basically a stepping stone (of course unless you hand it to her...afterall she is a C player ).

So I really think the bashing is unnecessary....cause I don't think she "believes" she is that good anyway, if she did, she'd be out there in the hunt in every possible tournament she could enter. Especially in Florida where amateur tournaments are abundant in and around the area.

Too bad I was on and island approximately 3000 miles from the westcoast of mainland USA

 

[hilla_hilla]

Another female perspetive:

From a business perspective, I think it is brilliant! Sex sells. If I owned a bar or resturant of any sort, I would hire good looking people that wouldn't rob me.

Kudos to Poison cue line for hiring Shanelle.

Shanelle IS beautiful. Heck with beautiful, she's HOT! So what if she's a C player? I'm a C player! How she plays or looks doesn't really affect my life here in California unless I happen to run into her at a tournament somewhere. If that ever happens, let the best C player win .

 

[jasonlaus]

I understand respect having to be earned, but why do they have to earn your respect? what makes you so special? why do you get to disrespect them? respect goes both ways, someone should be respected until they do something to not deserve that respect. Is she doing her job in promoting cues? YES. So there is nothing left to discuss. BTW Sweet M you said you wouldn't want to embarras your sponsor by your play, well you've embarrased yourself with your posting on this subject.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

So appearance should always supersede talent? That's inane and shallow. I also fail to see how it's perceived as jealousy when a girl voices her opinion. If that were the case, we wouldn't be supporting any other female players. To my knowledge, I've never seen a bad thing written or said about Jeanette Lee, Jennifer Barretta, Jasmin Ouschan, Rayanne Harvala, Sarah Rousey, Loree Jon Jones, Ewa Lawrence, Ga Young Kim... to name a few just off the top of my head. There are lots more.

How is Lorraine even bringing attention to pool? Jeanette and Jennifer have gotten modelling endorsements and several articles in non-trade magazines. Yet here we are, still fighting for television coverage and press.

Nope, that is called envy. one of the 7 deadly sins. why bash on Shanelle when there are others that are considered superficial or worse? why didn't you consider or has never crossed your mind regarding those Playboy Bunnies endorsing pool equiptment? for a person as pure and unbiased and openminded as you are, you failed to consider the overall scenario and population. you plainly singled-out Shanelle. is it because those bunnies suit you more?

You should consider what I just said. Shanelle is not a mere Bunny, but a person who likes and plays pool. CW could have hired some real bimbos, but that would give pool a bad image. he's not just after a centerfold thing, but someone who really is into pool that looks really good. she might not be your cup of tea, but look just how many of us thinks otherwise. the numbers speaks for itself. if we support her, just be glad about it.

 

[SUPERSTAR]

While we are at it, why not start a tour with the HOOTERS GIRLS and say the heck with the females that actually play.

If you can't fit into one of those little outfits, your HISTORY!

EDIT: I mean, come on now. All things being equal, do you want to go out and see a bunch of hot chicks bent over sticking their butts in your face while firing everything into the rail, or would you rather see a herd of buffalo rifling everything into the hole.

Sex definitely sells.
I vote for the hot chicks, and would even go as far as to want to see some pretty girls that might be a little overweght, but the TANKS can stay home for all i care.

 

[penguin]

The lesson here is that aspiring women players (who can actually PLAY) should remember to keep their day jobs -- sponsors will be pretty much impossible to find for them, unless they don't mind working under Charlie Williams.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Are you mad because CW isn't bangin you?

Actually his advances were adamantly refused. There are lots of people around who know that whole awful story.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

This chick Marissa keeps going on and on about how unqualified Shanelle is, and blah blah blah. Why can't you just admit her rack is better than yours? Why can't you admit she's doing better on the table than you are? Why can't you admit she's selling more pool merchandise than you are?
You keep implying that Charlie Williams is wanting to bone Shanelle, which is his motivation, and that's childish conjecture and gossip. What are you in high school? It's obvious Charlie has some business savvy because he's a success, which I think makes him a target for less-successful people like yourself who criticize before worrying about their own shortcomings.
It's easy for people to take their insecurities out on innocent people who are just out there trying to make a living, doing something they love. Maybe because you're not a success in your own self-promoted life Marissa, maybe that's why you have such a critical and unrealistic view of Shanelle's success and image. I think everything about Shanelle is the opposite of where you're at in life, and you cannot feel good about it unless you pick it apart.
Whenever someone mentioned something about you, you seemed to have eaten it up and took the opportunity to talk about yourself, after bashing Shanelle and after posting some garbage about Charlie that you have no way of substantiating. That is hardcore high school. You might garner a little attention on this site because these dudes don't know you're a lesbo, but don't forget it's also because there are few chicks on here for us guys and our standards are pretty low on here when that's the case. Otherwise I don't think you'd be getting any attention.
Go ahead and keep talking smack, even though the thread in no way had anything to do with the lack of sponsorship for female players, and even though the thread had nothing to do with you.
In any case, you'll never do what Shanelle is doing because she is just better than you are at it, though it shouldn't matter to you with all your own self-assured success. Peace be with you, hater!

I can't even come up with a response since there is absolutely no validity or even sense to anything you've said in this thread or your juvenile PM in which you exclaimed that I was "OWNED!!!1!". I am literally unable to dumb my brain down enough to comprehend any of your sophomoric nonsense.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Nope, that is called envy. one of the 7 deadly sins. why bash on Shanelle when there are others that are considered superficial or worse? why didn't you consider or has never crossed your mind regarding those Playboy Bunnies endorsing pool equiptment? for a person as pure and unbiased and openminded as you are, you failed to consider the overall scenario and population. you plainly singled-out Shanelle. is it because those bunnies suit you more?

You should consider what I just said. Shanelle is not a mere Bunny, but a person who likes and plays pool. CW could have hired some real bimbos, but that would give pool a bad image. he's not just after a centerfold thing, but someone who really is into pool that looks really good. she might not be your cup of tea, but look just how many of us thinks otherwise. the numbers speaks for itself. if we support her, just be glad about it.

No one here said they were jealous. I'm certainly not. As for your analogy, I don't see Playboy Bunnies getting invited to play in major pool tournaments in Korea.

 

[jasonlaus]

No one here said they were jealous. I'm certainly not. As for your analogy, I don't see Playboy Bunnies getting invited to play in major pool tournaments in Korea.

Hope the hate eats you alive.

 

[Hail Mary Shot]

No one here said they were jealous. I'm certainly not. As for your analogy, I don't see Playboy Bunnies getting invited to play in major pool tournaments in Korea.

and you dont have an argument for Bunnies promoting pool equiptment? I knew it, it's more of a selective bias from the start. why bash on Shanelle? oh yeah, I get it. because she just happened to be a gorgeous woman getting promotional/ad deals and getting invitations to play in tournaments because she's a "pool player" and not a bunny. thank you for clarifying that up for me. I hope you get that as much as I did ! but thank you !

*Marissa has no say to playboy models promoting pool equiptment, yet she has a say against Shanelle who is a pool player that promotes pool equiptment. yeah, we are getting there. nice stereotype. tap tap tap.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

and you dont have an argument for Bunnies promoting pool equiptment? I knew it, it's more of a selective bias from the start. why bash on Shanelle? oh yeah, I get it. because she just happened to be a gorgeous woman getting promotional/ad deals and getting invitations to play in tournaments because she's a "pool player" and not a bunny. thank you for clarifying that up for me. I hope you get that as much as I did ! but thank you !

*Marissa has no say to playboy models promoting pool equiptment, yet she has a say against Shanelle who is a pool player that promotes pool equiptment. yeah, we are getting there. nice stereotype. tap tap tap.

You're one neuron short of a synapse. Your analogy makes no sense. Here's an adequate analogy for you: Buying a Nikon doesn't make you a photographer. It makes you a Nikon owner.

Those are models or spokesmodels being paid to promote a product/company. If she was paid to stand there and look pretty to attract attention to the booth, there would be no issue. That's the job description. Calling her a pool player because Charlie got her a sponsorship is a joke, just like Charlie calling himself the World's #1 Asian American Pool Player is a joke. I'm going to start telling people I'm the #1 Korean English Irish female pool player from Germany that now lives in Georgia.

 

[derekdisco]

You're one neuron short of a synapse. Your analogy makes no sense. Here's an adequate analogy for you: Buying a Nikon doesn't make you a photographer. It makes you a Nikon owner.

Those are models or spokesmodels being paid to promote a product/company. If she was paid to stand there and look pretty to attract attention to the booth, there would be no issue. That's the job description. Calling her a pool player because Charlie got her a sponsorship is a joke, just like Charlie calling himself the World's #1 Asian American Pool Player is a joke. I'm going to start telling people I'm the #1 Korean English Irish female pool player from Germany that now lives in Georgia.

Don't be like that, just let them enjoy the same 7 pictuures of her that have been floating around for 2 years.

 

[Sweet Marissa]

Don't be like that, just let them enjoy the same 7 pictuures of her that have been floating around for 2 years.

Oh, by the way. No US Open for me this year. I'm on the committee for St Jude and we have a fundraising event on the 19th and 20th, then I'm shooting a wedding the 25th. Not to mention the Cottonmouths drop the puck for the first game of the season on the 24th. Definitely going to Derby, though.

 

[phoebe choy]

I understand respect having to be earned, but why do they have to earn your respect? what makes you so special? why do you get to disrespect them? respect goes both ways, someone should be respected until they do something to not deserve that respect. Is she doing her job in promoting cues? YES. So there is nothing left to discuss. BTW Sweet M you said you wouldn't want to embarras your sponsor by your play, well you've embarrased yourself with your posting on this subject.

I REALLY hope you weren't directing this at me???!!!!

If you were, this is my response:

1. The very first line of your post is contradictory in so many ways. My post said my 2 cents...you are reading way into it dude. I'm a player and yes...it matters to eventually earn other "players" respect....you would only know/understand this if you are one. Maybe you are not one...I don't know.

2. I never said I was "special...you brought it up....and you obviously missed the logic in my post.....where am I being disrespectful rather than truthful??? Please tell me....because I am a straight up person...if I was bashing I would post "I AM BASHING"....I stated clearly that the bashing is UNNECESSARY....read the post again.

3. You are right everybody deserve a simple respect as a person, after that the respect has to be earned....I posted that I don't quite respect her AS A PLAYER YET....READ THE POST AGAIN.

Don't take the things I post outta context....and don't try and pick a fight with me either....it defeats my whole purpose of visiting AZ. I had something to say about the subject, and did, what law did I break?

Relax kid....sheesh...I can't just post? Everything gotta be twisted into an arguement?? This site is fricken drama man.....lol!

 

[phoebe choy]

AND....

Stop bashing Marissa for bashing Shanelle.....#1 - it's REALLY hypocritical, #2 - it is totally unecessary.

I read this whole thread from the beginning and I see no wrong in anything Marsissa posted. Seriously, she is a little harsh....but I kinda "get" where she is coming from. I definitely am with her on certain issues regarding CW (ugh/eww/perv), and his "marketing words/tactics" - in that sense I do see eye to eye with Marissa.

Now me and Sweet Marisa have had our disagreements - but I highly doubt her being jealous or envious. She is a strong and opinionated woman, who loves this game.....hating on her for that is the same thing like hating on Shanelle for her looks/boobs/whatever, right??? Marissa turns heads as well...and unlike Shanelle, she doesn't need to cake all that makeup on her face (haha, but it's true, Shanelle wears a sh!tload of makeup and in pictures you can tell!)....to you guys it doesn't matter cause "other" things catch your eye.

Think about it before responding.

The way you guys run to Shanelles defense on EVERY issue is ridiculous/pathetic - it's like overly-protective, infactuated fans that hope to one-day-be-her-boyfriend kinda actions < ok that's me being a little caddy....but it's true...haha!

 

[inside_english]

AND....

Stop bashing Marissa for bashing Shanelle.....#1 - it's REALLY hypocritical, #2 - it is totally unecessary.

I read this whole thread from the beginning and I see no wrong in anything Marsissa posted. Seriously, she is a little harsh....but I kinda "get" where she is coming from. I definitely am with her on certain issues regarding CW (ugh/eww/perv), and his "marketing words/tactics" - in that sense I do see eye to eye with Marissa.

Now me and Sweet Marisa have had our disagreements - but I highly doubt her being jealous or envious. She is a strong and opinionated woman, who loves this game.....hating on her for that is the same thing like hating on Shanelle for her looks/boobs/whatever, right??? Marissa turns heads as well...and unlike Shanelle, she doesn't need to cake all that makeup on her face (haha, but it's true, Shanelle wears a sh!tload of makeup and in pictures you can tell!)....to you guys it doesn't matter cause "other" things catch your eye.

Think about it before responding.

The way you guys run to Shanelles defense on EVERY issue is ridiculous/pathetic - it's like overly-protective, infactuated fans that hope to one-day-be-her-boyfriend kinda actions < ok that's me being a little caddy....but it's true...haha!

I think you meant catty, not caddy.

 

[phoebe choy]

I think you meant catty, not caddy.

I stand corrected:grin:

 

[Elwood]

I guess I'm a knuckle head, what does "infactuated" mean?

 

[Sweet Marissa]

I guess I'm a knuckle head, what does "infactuated" mean?

This applies to everyone: If people's spelling errors bother you, don't become a member of a public forum. When you reach perfection, then you can criticise her or anyone else's grammar. This is a billiards forum. Who cares.

For those pretentious enough to point out other people's grammatical errors, this is what you may to be looking for.