Why Was That Thread Closed?
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vader93490 said:
Actually, Ratchet wears the crown of Village Idiot over at RSB. That is not an insult, its something Ratchet has laughed about and he is quite proud of it(just in case he tries to complain about me for bringing that up) ...
My opinion is that RSB was a sinking ship long before FL showed up there (and LONG BEFORE I ever started fighting with FL). I say that because some people have blamed me, but if it wasnt me fighting with FL, he would find somebody else to fight with. I don't think that there is any way to get RSB back to the way it was when Jim Meador was posting there. This is because there are more people on the internet and these days you need to have some sense of order or you eventually end up with what happened at playpool.com -OR- you have an environment like RSB has today. That is why nations, States, and municipalities have law enforcement, codes, rules and laws set up by a structured government - it keeps people from barging into your house and shooting you - and they attach consequences with that type of violation of the law. There are no consequences for breaking the rules at RSB, because there are no rules. With no structure or guidelines for a code of conduct, someone like FL can do whatever they want for as long as they want. It is what it is - like the wild west - and if someone calls RSB the toilet bowl of pool forums, they might have a point. So I think Darth Vader has a point, and Ratchet still has his crown.
Your cast offs are back..........
Take your crown and shove it ......Now I am certain of it , start checking IP's
Ratchet - My name is Tom Seifert and I have never used a fake ID,( Ratchet is my old CB handle ) ,I know damned well you cant say that .JERK !
straybullet said:Actually, Ratchet wears the crown of Village Idiot over at RSB.
Truth be told FL tried to hang that on me for standing up for myself which I promptly declined
That is not an insult, its something Ratchet has laughed about and he is quite proud of it(just in case he tries to complain about me for bringing that up) ...
You are either FL , Debra LI or one of their clones or clowns , I laughed it off as the infantile crap you idiots like to post there ,Then you (or your clones) are the reason RSB is in the shape it is today after a 2 year trashfest and if someone in charge here is smart enough to do a trace I believe you will soon be gone in this identity as well.
My opinion
is obviously canted because of your hate for RSB
is that RSB was a sinking ship long before FL showed up there (and LONG BEFORE I ever started fighting with FL). I say that because some people have blamed me, but if it wasnt me fighting with FL, he would find somebody else to fight with.
ahhh.......you admit to kicking RSB in the face while it was down That make you worse than FL ever could be ,,,a freakin hypocrite !
I don't think that there is any way to get RSB back to the way it was when Jim Meador was posting there. Every day you post your crap about RSB you spit on his grave...
This is because there are more people on the internet and these days you need to have some sense of order or you eventually end up with what happened at playpool.com -OR- you have an environment like RSB has today. That is why nations, States, and municipalities have law enforcement, codes, rules and laws set up by a structured government - it keeps people from barging into your house and shooting you - and they attach consequences with that type of violation of the law. There are no consequences for breaking the rules at RSB, because there are no rules. With no structure or guidelines for a code of conduct, someone like FL can do whatever they want for as long as they want. It is what it is - like the wild west - and if someone calls RSB the toilet bowl of pool forums, they might have a point. So I think Darth Vader has a point, and Ratchet still has his crown.
Take your crown and shove it ......Now I am certain of it , start checking IP's
Ratchet - My name is Tom Seifert and I have never used a fake ID,( Ratchet is my old CB handle ) ,I know damned well you cant say that .JERK !
vader93490 said:
No mascot or flag bearers needed , I just realize when I see someone or "ones" doing a number on RSB just because they can !! and allready a few here have stepped up and took another swing ,even your "moderator" of all people .
Seriously , dont any of you suppose this is exactly why pool is where its at today ?? Every time someone trys to promote it or even defend it a group of fulltime yakkers and whiners and no time at all , ever,"doers" do their best to trash it ,inspecting it to the nth degree until there is nothing left of even the concept .... Ask a few here who have "actually" been there people like Keith and Jam or Mark Griffin ( I am thinking of the BCA guy who the crap ripped out of him on the forums ) Even Mike Janis ..........I am sorry that we just cant seem to get "it" together because there are some fine people out there doing good things but will get "dismantled" before they ever get off of the ground and bashing the pool related forums who are trying under hard conditions to remain afloat surely isnt not helping anyone including the sport
Ratchet -
Ratchet said:
Hi, Ratchet!
I haven't visited RSB in quite some time. Fortunately or unfortunately for me, RSB was my first experience in posting on a pool-related site on the Internet. Today, I liken it to a "Posting School of Hard Knocks," though it was NOTHING then like it is today, sad to say.Though I never did understand the logic of some posters on RSB as it pertains to newbies and/or other "outsiders" to the NG, I did admire the comradery exhibited there among its "regulars." For that reason alone, it is a shame that the "regulars" on that NG today cannot enjoy the same atmosphere on RSB NG from days gone by.
AzBilliards' moderation is a necessity, IMHO. If there was no moderation, we can all imagine the consequences that would develop on this forum. There is one school of thought that believes that moderating a forum prohibits freedom of speech, but I believe that if there was no moderation on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, the atmosphere would be quite different and maybe similar to RSB NG as it is today, though I am sure there still exists a few gems to be read from time to time.
So, in retrospect, maybe it's a good thing that there is an RSB NG, an AzBilliards Discussion Forum, a CCB on Billiards Digest website, a Onepocket.org for the one-hole lovers, and Southern Billiards with all of its charm from the good old South, et cetera. Each one offers unique and distinctive "qualities," for lack of a better term.
Welcome, Ratchet, to AzBilliards, at any rate. Good to see you posting!
JAM
Mr. Wilson said:
macguy said:
Mr. Wilson said:
I don't follow this logic.
First, you appear to be implying that if a statement is factual, it cannot be insulting. I'm not sure that's true. Let's say a guy goes home to his wife and says "boy your face is really getting wrinkled!" Now, it may be true, but I think the lady might be a bit upset. So "factual = not insulting" doesn't add up.
Second, your statement itself isn't even factual. "RSB (usenet in general) is the bottom" is in fact an opinion, and not a fact at all.
Third, I see a double standard. Recently a thread on the NPR forum was locked, presumedly because of this:
anonymous said:
Now, I see facts there, not opinions, except for that last one - and "freaky personality" is pretty darn mild considering the provocation. But while that got a thread locked, objections to "bottom of the barrel" meet with bewildered surprise.
I'm too tired today to figure out what's what here, but I can tell you it's not adding up.
There is nothing I need to rationalize.
Poster getting indignant that anyone would have the gall to say that RSB is the worst is irrational at best.
Nobody is going to force him to like it here if he wants to be at RSB, he's welcome to it.
Cross-posting and commentary on a closed thread asking for rational is useless and has nothing to do with this thread.
Interestingly enough, nobody seems to want to be a moderator, but sure have a lot of ideas on how to do it.
Poster getting indignant that anyone would have the gall to say that RSB is the worst is irrational at best.
Nobody is going to force him to like it here if he wants to be at RSB, he's welcome to it.
Cross-posting and commentary on a closed thread asking for rational is useless and has nothing to do with this thread.
Interestingly enough, nobody seems to want to be a moderator, but sure have a lot of ideas on how to do it.
Thoughts ....
Well, I think if you have the logic to buy a Jim Murnak Vintage case, then
you have the logic to moderate this board ..... lol
Lighten up people, we live in the land of the free where we
have to 'pay' for everything we do. Have a good, but safe New Years.
Mr. Wilson said:
Well, I think if you have the logic to buy a Jim Murnak Vintage case, then
you have the logic to moderate this board ..... lol
Lighten up people, we live in the land of the free where we
have to 'pay' for everything we do. Have a good, but safe New Years.
Excellent point, Dave.Mr. Wilson said:
I admire your concern for the forum. IMO, people's concerns shouldn't be ignored, but you must be able to use the prudence to know when someone is just trying to start trouble. You have done well so far.
I think that you are very qualified to moderate. In fact, I already see improvement.
Mike
Mr. Wilson said:
So Ratchett & macguy are irrational.
Mr. Wilson said:
And I'm useless.
Actually, I probably should know by now that asking for rationality (e.g., someone who is adamant on "no name calling" wouldn't call others irrational and useless) is useless.
Thanks for the reminder.
Mike Templeton said:
Thanks Mike.
Sometimes easier said than done.
Ratchet said:
It's not "taking a swing" when someone expresses the truth of the matter, "Ratchet". RSB offers nothing redeeming whatsoever, unless you crave constant bickering, fighting, internet "flame wars", or whatever sort of confrontation whets an appetite for that sort of behavior. RSB right now seems to attract individuals who like to say whatever they want whenever they want "because they can".
The decline started, in my opinion, a long time before the "Fast Larry" postings began. "Fast Larry" was, in my opinion, only a very minor factor in the overall decline of RSB as a group to where it currently sits today.
If you & other like-minded individuals want to attempt to change the image of RSB, then follow my suggestion. Do things like putting up big tournament notices; a free tournament advertisement never hurts. See about getting some good instructional articles put up there with the appropiate permissions from the author or authors of said material. Above all else, see about trying to curtail the constant fighting that goes on in there & police yourselves in an adult manner.
If you & other like-minded individuals decide to make an attempt to change the RSB group for the better, I wish you luck. It will be an uphill fight in my opinion to redeem RSB. If you don't, then RSB will remain the public toilet cesspool that it currently is & nothing you do or say about it will change that.
Howdy my friend !!
Glad to be here Jam ,But RSB was my first NG and I loved it before it got assaulted ,hell , I even miss JimboCT ,Smorgass Bored and PJ 's arguements .They now seem light by comparison .... Now I am here to expand my horizons
lololol
Ratchet - Say howdy to Keith for me and I sincerely wish the best for the both for you in 2006 (my god
I am feelin' old) !
JAM said:Hi, Ratchet!
You and I weathered the storm and stuck with it as newbies and stood up against the cliques . I have ever since considered you as a friend (or cohort lolol) and also Keith by association . I always enjoyed our conversations and am glad to see you again ! I am also glad you missed the last 2 years on RSB tho ,It has been really disheartening to watch the carnage
Though I never did understand the logic of some posters on RSB as it pertains to newbies and/or other "outsiders" to the NG, I did admire the comradery exhibited there among its "regulars." For that reason alone, it is a shame that the "regulars" on that NG today cannot enjoy the same atmosphere on RSB NG from days gone by.
Yeah me too , That is why I am still there although I did let FL and Miss Li's multiple identities get my goat and I am ashamed to say I dropped to their level for a while thinking I could make a difference, it was later that I stepped bak and saw I becoming part of the problem by arguing w/ them
AzBilliards' moderation is a necessity, IMHO. If there was no moderation, we can all imagine the consequences that would develop on this forum. There is one school of thought that believes that moderating a forum prohibits freedom of speech, but I believe that if there was no moderation on AzBilliards Discussion Forum, the atmosphere would be quite different and maybe similar to RSB NG as it is today, though I am sure there still exists a few gems to be read from time to time.
I have given this some thought and now agree whole heartedly with the removal of the bad stuff altho' I think censorship is bad in any form,but I wish we had the moderating capability on RSB to clean out the riffraff like AZB does, What burns my ass is ,its only a couple idiots using false ID's that have messed the place up . I have traced their IP addresses and it points straight at them..
So, in retrospect, maybe it's a good thing that there is an RSB NG, an AzBilliards Discussion Forum, a CCB on Billiards Digest website, a Onepocket.org for the one-hole lovers, and Southern Billiards with all of its charm from the good old South, et cetera. Each one offers unique and distinctive "qualities," for lack of a better term.
Welcome, Ratchet, to AzBilliards, at any rate. Good to see you posting!
JAM
Glad to be here Jam ,But RSB was my first NG and I loved it before it got assaulted ,hell , I even miss JimboCT ,Smorgass Bored and PJ 's arguements .They now seem light by comparison .... Now I am here to expand my horizons
lololol
Ratchet - Say howdy to Keith for me and I sincerely wish the best for the both for you in 2006 (my god
I am feelin' old) ! Look before you leap
We are doing our best ,you all know whats going on over there and who it is doing it as they started it all here and the other forums. If you want to see the "real" RSB you have to have a filter program to knock the BS clean out of the picture, That is all we have over there to combat these internet terrorists
Try a judicial approach and filter them and all their aliases ( I have around 30 or 40 of FL's and about a dozen for the other one and 3 or 4 for the other couple of instigators or they are using another ISP to mask their IP's
When you get them all filtered out so you never see or hear from them
(unless some thoughtless dolt quotes them) You will find the heart of RSB is still beating and some good content to go along with it
Just take a look at what you kick the next time ,we are after all the bs is cleared away a POOL RELATED NG just like this one ,only difference being is
you have the capability to take your trash out ..RSB and usenet is AZB's Granddaddy after all...........
Ratchet -
vader93490 said:
We are doing our best ,you all know whats going on over there and who it is doing it as they started it all here and the other forums. If you want to see the "real" RSB you have to have a filter program to knock the BS clean out of the picture, That is all we have over there to combat these internet terrorists
Try a judicial approach and filter them and all their aliases ( I have around 30 or 40 of FL's and about a dozen for the other one and 3 or 4 for the other couple of instigators or they are using another ISP to mask their IP's
When you get them all filtered out so you never see or hear from them
(unless some thoughtless dolt quotes them) You will find the heart of RSB is still beating and some good content to go along with it
Just take a look at what you kick the next time ,we are after all the bs is cleared away a POOL RELATED NG just like this one ,only difference being is
you have the capability to take your trash out ..RSB and usenet is AZB's Granddaddy after all...........
Ratchet -
Ratchet said:
"Ratchet", I can't speak for the rest of the people who frequent this forum but I personally don't know *all* of what's going on over there & I could care less what goes on in the RSB public toilet cesspool. I have absolutely no desire whatsoever to read its contents as they, in my opinion, had nothing of value when I last viewed them long ago. I think it's a safe bet to say that lots of regular forum participants would agree with my assessment of just what RSB is right now.
If what the other users have said on this forum is in any way accurate, the so-called "best" efforts you speak of have done little to absolute zilch to change the public face that RSB currently has on it; they certainly have failed to squelch the infamous "Fast Larry" arguments from what I've read on here. I also think it's a safe assumption on my part to say that the fighting still goes on with other people even with your individual "killfiles" working at 100%.
I think you need to follow your own advice when you speak of "looking at what you kick". An internet user or first-time visitor shouldn't have to use a "killfile" to see what the so-called "real" RSB is like in the first place. Who knows, eventually you may wind up kicking yourself for defending it in the first place.
I just checked out rsb for the first time in 2 years and it seems that Fl. and Debra Li are the only ones posting .they are flaming with each other and the site has absoutely no pool content.
Thanks Mike and Dave for AZb.I would rather have a little common courtesy then whats going on over there.
Thanks Mike and Dave for AZb.I would rather have a little common courtesy then whats going on over there.
bobroberts said:
Just for the record, mr roberts, I only go to rsb maybe once or twice a day. I really don't have time to look at it as much as you think I do.When I do go to RSB, I am greeted by about 40-50 posts that Fast Larry has made throughout the day because he has nothing better to do. I'll respond to maybe one or two and its mostly to change the post title because 9 times out 10 its vulgar (from DM & FL - collectively)... I try to keep that BS over there and I don't bring it up over here - I keep it where it belongs and I could care less what any body thinks about it. Most people don't know everything that has happened with that situation - and most people could care less and I don't blame them. I spend about 5-10 minutes on RSB a day. RSB was the worst, most vile, most unfriendly place prior to Fast Larry's arrival. Anybody that says that it wasn't is a liar. I remember when RSB was pretty cool, and I also remember when it started to change. Its easier to sit back and blame it on me (like Ratchet does) which is funny because he's been part of the problem with FL also (how quickly he forgets
). The problem with RSB is that it is like the Wild West without the sheriffs. With no rules and no boundaries, someone like Larry can do what whatever he wants for as long as he wants and there is nothing anybody can do about it. Last week DM started a thread about how this forum sucks and how everybody here sucks especialy Mr. Wilson and Mike Howerton. If you can find that thread, you will find it interesting how a lot of the RSB people truly feel about moderated forums. I prefer posting here and at CCB, but recently I've come to the conclusion that because of my response to the harassment I have received, some people have made it their mission to ensure that I have a miserable experience when I visit here. That is why my PM's are turned off, my picture has been removed along with all of my other information. I know that you don't have knowledge of just how far this has gone (some people on this forum know what I am talking about) - most of the time when I post on this forum - I post funny stuff or jokes - because that is what I like to do and it lifts my spirits to be able to make other people laugh. In return I have been accused of promoting gang violence with my screen name (???), snapshot9 accused me of being a computer hacker (???), and Whitewolf has accused me of being every troll that has ever graced every forum, including Yappinwolf, downtown..etc. etc...My "friends" here know that I'm just a commedienne and a smart ass and I like to have fun and enjoy myself. I'm just having fun. If you read my messages to Larry in that context you will understand that I don't take him seriously, and why I have a hard time understanding why anybody else does.
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Well, I admit.
I got curious enough to spot check the sewer and must say it never smelled better ( or worse ).
I truly find it amusing when the bottom feeders surface.
Trust me folks, if the crap there tries to surface here.....it will be flushed back to the sewer it belongs in.
There was a time I actually felt sorry for DM and did try and help him.
I'll just think of the experience as just a lesson.
There is an old addage that comes to mind.....
"Never wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it and you'll just get dirty."
I got curious enough to spot check the sewer and must say it never smelled better ( or worse ).
I truly find it amusing when the bottom feeders surface.
Trust me folks, if the crap there tries to surface here.....it will be flushed back to the sewer it belongs in.
There was a time I actually felt sorry for DM and did try and help him.
I'll just think of the experience as just a lesson.
There is an old addage that comes to mind.....
"Never wrestle with a pig. The pig likes it and you'll just get dirty."