Will Stan's book be the "end all"?

[SpiderWebComm]

I'm going to post what Stan told me yesterday one more time. If it isn't what you want to hear or are looking for, too bad.

ONE MORE TIME:



"Here’s exactly where I am with my book.

The 400 page text is completed and edited.

The 1,000 shots within the book have been checked and rechecked.

The 147 diagrams have been finalized on Illustrator.

What remains is staging the photography for 400 photographs. Most all photos will require editing in LR or PS. I am about 25% finished with the photo phase.

After photography, a thorough edit at the computer will be done before sending it all to my publisher for their work.

Honestly, I don't know when I will wrap it all up. I would like to have all of the material to my publisher by August 1 or before. I have no clue what the publisher’s timeline will be. Having said that, after 3.5 years of work, my book is relatively close to becoming a reality.

I will start TRUTH SERIES videos at about the time of book release.

 

[JC]

Will the book be the "end all" of the bitter bickering?

Seems highly unlikely.

JC

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Will the book be the "end all" of the bitter bickering?

Seems highly unlikely.

JC

I'm going with what you said about highly unlikely. Is there still bickering about the Bible after 2000 years?

I'll also take it a step further and say the bickering will be continued by the same individuals who started it 20+ years ago and their new additional members on this forum who have picked up where they've taken it.

No names are required because they constantly make themselves visible and heard ad nauseam. I'm going to guess one will be here within the next 1-3 posts.
See if you can pick them out. I'm not referring to CTE users, it's the CTE detractors and haters with history.

 

[cookie man]

Exactly. He makes it very clear that his primary focus is to have a written record of his work and knowledge with CTE, not to convert/teach those who haven't gotten it or been able to understand it through his DVDs and numerous YouTube lessons. That doesn't mean the book won't help others learn it.

The OP asked if the book would be more enlightening than the 2 DVDs and all the YouTube vids. That's going to be something only he can answer after purchasing the book. Based on Stan's own words, I believe his goal is to simply create a product that reflects his passion and knowledge of CTE, a quality product stemming from years of hard work.

Why are you trying so hard to put a spin on Stan's words. Stan is very clear. The book is a complete work on CTE. What more could you ask for if you want to learn it. Oh, video demonstrations you say. Stan is doing that also. THE TRUTH SERIES.
Go away. You've stated that you won't put in the time to learn it, so just go away.

 

[cookie man]

I also have a thirst for knowledge and want to see what Stan's definitive words are on aiming. And frankly, it doesn't matter who Stan wants, or doesn't want, to buy his book. Once he puts it out there, people will get their hands on it and make up their own minds as to the value of the work it contains. He and his followers, as much as they greatly desire the contrary, can't limit its release nor what opinions will be formed.

Besides, after all these years of discussion and all the back and forth, it'll be interesting to see if he finally makes his case for CTE and Pro1. The reader will decide that for themselves, not the author.

Lou Figueroa

He has already made his case. Loud and clear. The interesting part is when will the detractors admit that. You have 20 years of denial in. Does anyone really expect you to do the honorable thing and admit you've been wrong all these years.

 

[Saturated Fats]

So I just read back my original post and I have no idea why it triggered the hostile replies rather than straightforward opinions on the questions posted.

In a recent thread, Spidey reported on Stan's progress with "the book". Nobody seems to know when it will be finally released, but according to Stan, it's progressing.

I'm wondering if the book will really be enlightening to those like me that don't understand much after two DVDs and quite a few videos. Some reported that they understood CTE concepts either much better or only after following the blog on billiardsthegame.com.

Does a subject like this require multiple contributors to be effective?

Would a book like this benefit from multiple editors and or reviewers reporting back what causes them to struggle? CTE advocates sometimes point out that CTE doesn't have the gaps that some other methods have, but there are apparently gaps in explaining the methods.

Doesn't it seem like the best way to test the effectiveness of a text would be to get early feedback from some students that know little or nothing beforehand?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

So I just read back my original post and I have no idea why it triggered the hostile replies rather than straightforward opinions on the questions posted.

Probably because certain individuals shouldn't have been conjecturing and hypothesizing to begin with to muddy the waters.


In a recent thread, Spidey reported on Stan's progress with "the book". Nobody seems to know when it will be finally released, but according to Stan, it's progressing.

How can Stan be any more explicit than this?

I would like to have all of the material to my publisher by August 1 or before. I have no clue what the publisher’s timeline will be. Having said that, after 3.5 years of work, my book is relatively close to becoming a reality.

It's then out of his control and there IS NO TIMELINE. How can he guess what they're going to do? He's also never written a book before. HAVE YOU?

I'm wondering if the book will really be enlightening to those like me that don't understand much after two DVDs and quite a few videos.

Who knows? Maybe the Truth Video series will. These are entirely new and different from the other youtube videos and will be a VIDEO VERSION of the written book.

Some reported that they understood CTE concepts either much better or only after following the blog on billiardsthegame.com.

Maybe you should go on the blog and let us know how it worked out for you.

Does a subject like this require multiple contributors to be effective?

Obviously not for everyone since the "contributors" were able to get it, understand it, and implement it on the table directly from Stan's videos.

Would a book like this benefit from multiple editors and or reviewers reporting back what causes them to struggle? CTE advocates sometimes point out that CTE doesn't have the gaps that some other methods have, but there are apparently gaps in explaining the methods.

Do you have professional editing and proof reading experience as well as an understanding of the subject itself?

You did talk directly to Stan and seemingly apply for your own made up job. Stan gave you an open invitation to come to Kentucky and he would teach you everything there is to know personally.

You declined by saying you couldn't leave Florida. What did you want him to do, send the entire manuscript to a NO NAME who he'd never met and knew nothing about?

Doesn't it seem like the best way to test the effectiveness of a text would be to get early feedback from some students that know little or nothing beforehand?

Right. That's exactly the way they do it in K-12 school systems, in college, in post grad studies, and medical school.
Are you kidding me? If that was done in every segment of education and higher education it would take 40 years to get through school.

But the way it works in reality is you either get it or FAIL. You're OUT. But let me make something perfectly clear. CTE IS NOT USER FRIENDLY FOR EVERYONE.

The biggest hurdle is FORGETTING EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER LEARNED AND WAYS OF VISUALIZING. You MUST see the balls from a completely different perspective that's UNLIKE all others and really makes NO SENSE in the beginning because it is so different. It takes WORK, RETRAINING THE EYES, RETRAINING THE BRAIN. It IS NOT FOR BEGINNERS and maybe even more so for LONG TIME PLAYERS who have something else so ingrained. I don't know what else I can say.

It's Stan's book, his project, his CTE and he's going to do it the way he sees fit.

Not your way or anyone else. It will also have a time frame of being whatever it ends up being. (as Yogi Berra might state it)

 

[SpiderWebComm]

ONE MORE TIME:


"Here’s exactly where I am with my book.

The 400 page text is completed and edited.

The 1,000 shots within the book have been checked and rechecked.

The 147 diagrams have been finalized on Illustrator.

What remains is staging the photography for 400 photographs. Most all photos will require editing in LR or PS. I am about 25% finished with the photo phase.

After photography, a thorough edit at the computer will be done before sending it all to my publisher for their work.

Honestly, I don't know when I will wrap it all up. I would like to have all of the material to my publisher by August 1 or before. I have no clue what the publisher’s timeline will be. Having said that, after 3.5 years of work, my book is relatively close to becoming a reality.

I will start TRUTH SERIES videos at about the time of book release.

 

[Saturated Fats]

So I just read back my original post and I have no idea why it triggered the hostile replies rather than straightforward opinions on the questions posted.

Probably because certain individuals shouldn't have been conjecturing and hypothesizing to begin with to muddy the waters.


In a recent thread, Spidey reported on Stan's progress with "the book". Nobody seems to know when it will be finally released, but according to Stan, it's progressing.

How can Stan be any more explicit than this?

I would like to have all of the material to my publisher by August 1 or before. I have no clue what the publisher’s timeline will be. Having said that, after 3.5 years of work, my book is relatively close to becoming a reality.

It's then out of his control and there IS NO TIMELINE. How can he guess what they're going to do? He's also never written a book before. HAVE YOU?

I'm wondering if the book will really be enlightening to those like me that don't understand much after two DVDs and quite a few videos.

Who knows? Maybe the Truth Video series will. These are entirely new and different from the other youtube videos and will be a VIDEO VERSION of the written book.

Some reported that they understood CTE concepts either much better or only after following the blog on billiardsthegame.com.

Maybe you should go on the blog and let us know how it worked out for you.

Does a subject like this require multiple contributors to be effective?

Obviously not for everyone since the "contributors" were able to get it, understand it, and implement it on the table directly from Stan's videos.

Would a book like this benefit from multiple editors and or reviewers reporting back what causes them to struggle? CTE advocates sometimes point out that CTE doesn't have the gaps that some other methods have, but there are apparently gaps in explaining the methods.

Do you have professional editing and proof reading experience as well as an understanding of the subject itself?

You did talk directly to Stan and seemingly apply for your own made up job. Stan gave you an open invitation to come to Kentucky and he would teach you everything there is to know personally.

You declined by saying you couldn't leave Florida. What did you want him to do, send the entire manuscript to a NO NAME who he'd never met and knew nothing about?

Doesn't it seem like the best way to test the effectiveness of a text would be to get early feedback from some students that know little or nothing beforehand?

Right. That's exactly the way they do it in K-12 school systems, in college, in post grad studies, and medical school.
Are you kidding me? If that was done in every segment of education and higher education it would take 40 years to get through school.

But the way it works in reality is you either get it or FAIL. You're OUT. But let me make something perfectly clear. CTE IS NOT USER FRIENDLY FOR EVERYONE.

The biggest hurdle is FORGETTING EVERYTHING YOU'VE EVER LEARNED AND WAYS OF VISUALIZING. You MUST see the balls from a completely different perspective that's UNLIKE all others and really makes NO SENSE in the beginning because it is so different. It takes WORK, RETRAINING THE EYES, RETRAINING THE BRAIN. It IS NOT FOR BEGINNERS and maybe even more so for LONG TIME PLAYERS who have something else so ingrained. I don't know what else I can say.

It's Stan's book, his project, his CTE and he's going to do it the way he sees fit.

Not your way or anyone else. It will also have a time frame of being whatever it ends up being. (as Yogi Berra might state it)

Thanks, I understand this response and appreciate your effort.

I've also noticed that once (anyone's) multiple videos are posted to youtube, it is often difficult to determine the sequence that the author intended. If this is overcome in some manner - perhaps with a series of guiding links on a website - that should be a big help.

I too will look forward to the release of the book and videos.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Thanks, I understand this response and appreciate your effort.

You're welcome

I've also noticed that once (anyone's) multiple videos are posted to youtube, it is often difficult to determine the sequence that the author intended. If this is overcome in some manner - perhaps with a series of guiding links on a website - that should be a big help.

Good point. I think the Truth Series videos will be more easily identified based on the fact it's coordinated with various sections of the book.

I too will look forward to the release of the book and videos.

It's an incredibly tough project and I'm sure the person looking most forward to the release of the book and the videos will be Stan himself.

It might also feel like he got released from prison so he can lead a normal life with his wife and family.

 

[Mirza]

It's an incredibly tough project and I'm sure the person looking most forward to the release of the book and the videos will be Stan himself.

It might also feel like he got released from prison so he can lead a normal life with his wife and family.

It can easily be solved, he can just create a playlist.

 

[nine_ball6970]

I'm going to post what Stan told me yesterday one more time. If it isn't what you want to hear or are looking for, too bad.

ONE MORE TIME:



"Here’s exactly where I am with my book.

The 400 page text is completed and edited.

The 1,000 shots within the book have been checked and rechecked.

The 147 diagrams have been finalized on Illustrator.

What remains is staging the photography for 400 photographs. Most all photos will require editing in LR or PS. I am about 25% finished with the photo phase.

After photography, a thorough edit at the computer will be done before sending it all to my publisher for their work.

Honestly, I don't know when I will wrap it all up. I would like to have all of the material to my publisher by August 1 or before. I have no clue what the publisher’s timeline will be. Having said that, after 3.5 years of work, my book is relatively close to becoming a reality.

I will start TRUTH SERIES videos at about the time of book release.

Why would he need to write a 400 page book if CTE was so easy to understand and all explained in a DVD named "The Final Chapter"?

I was called an idiot and many other names by CTE users because I had problems when trying to use CTE after viewing the first two DVDs.

Will CTE users who already understand the system purchase the book? If so, why?

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I was called an idiot and many other names by CTE users because I had problems when trying to use CTE after viewing the first two DVDs.

You do know if you click on a screen name of a post it gives the option to find all posts by the user as well as those who have posted in the same threads. Here's yours: https://forums.azbilliards.com/search.php?searchid=21787101

40 pages of your posts.

I didn't find any CTE users calling you an idiot or other names since 2012. Please copy and paste those who did with their posts. I might have missed something.

CTE users have always been helpful to those with an honest desire to learn. Just not to those who want to rip it.

Will CTE users who already understand the system purchase the book? If so, why?

The only question that's important is will you purchase the book?

If the answer is "YES", great! If the answer is "NO", great!

Either way you win because you have your own reasons and it's all that matters.

 

[nine_ball6970]

The only question that's important is will you purchase the book?

If the answer is "YES", great! If the answer is "NO", great!

Either way you win because you have your own reasons and it's all that matters.

You just went through 40 pages of my prior posts and read all of the replies to anything I ever posted? I am pretty amazed. It would take me weeks to go through all of that. I can't read all of the replys anyway as one of the members whom it may have been is on my Ignore List.

Either way, the question stands. Why would a 400 page book be necessary if CTE is so easy to understand?

I am curious because I purchased both DVDs second hand through azb and had some problems with application of CTE. Certain shots just gave me fits no matter what. There are previous posts by me saying I found CTE useful for some shots and not others.

I just need a reason to spend money on the book. Does it explain things which are not in the DVDs? If so, I feel like the Final Chapter DVD was misrepresented because I purchased that thinking it would explain things better than the first DVD did. It is comments like these which received negative comments.

I am willing to try different things to see if they will improve my game. I have a digicue blue, various aiming dvds, books(aiming,drills, fundamentals) , SightRight etc. Spending the money does not bother me at all if I feel like there is something in a book or dvd which will improve my game. Take from that what you want.

 

[nine_ball6970]

Just for fun, I searched for the words "idiot" and "stupid" in Aiming conversation.

There are 66 threads containing idiot.

There are 126 threads containing stupid.

Quite a few of them have CTE in the title. Spidey, you can look through those and see if any of those comments were directed toward someone who had trouble learning CTE. If you are unable to find one instance, I will retract my previous statement and quit posting here.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

You just went through 40 pages of my prior posts and read all of the replies to anything I ever posted? I am pretty amazed. It would take me weeks to go through all of that. I can't read all of the replys anyway as one of the members whom it may have been is on my Ignore List.

No, I didn't read all 40 pages of your posts. Only looked at most of the ones that had CTE in the thread title.

Either way, the question stands. Why would a 400 page book be necessary if CTE is so easy to understand?

There's a lot of pictures and illustrations.

I am curious because I purchased both DVDs second hand through azb and had some problems with application of CTE. Certain shots just gave me fits no matter what. There are previous posts by me saying I found CTE useful for some shots and not others.

From your early posts it seemed to me you were high on it and a proponent.

I just need a reason to spend money on the book. Does it explain things which are not in the DVDs? If so, I feel like the Final Chapter DVD was misrepresented because I purchased that thinking it would explain things better than the first DVD did. It is comments like these which received negative comments.

Does Coca Cola keep coming up with something new and improved? How about car manufacturers? How about TVs, appliances, bedding, washers/dryers, etc. Page link to the comments.

I am willing to try different things to see if they will improve my game. I have a digicue blue, various aiming dvds, books(aiming,drills, fundamentals) , SightRight etc. Spending the money does not bother me at all if I feel like there is something in a book or dvd which will improve my game. Take from that what you want.

I can't tell you what's in the new book because I don't know. What I do know is Stan is going to be as thorough as he can possibly be on both the book and videos. You'll have to be the judge.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Just for fun, I searched for the words "idiot" and "stupid" in Aiming conversation.

There are 66 threads containing idiot.

There are 126 threads containing stupid.

Quite a few of them have CTE in the title. Spidey, you can look through those and see if any of those comments were directed toward someone who had trouble learning CTE. If you are unable to find one instance, I will retract my previous statement and quit posting here.

I don't have time for that nor care. What I do know is calling someone an idiot directly will result in a ban and they probably were.

You do it. You made the claim.

I saw nothing close to any CTE user or proponent calling someone a name who bought the videos and just couldn't get it UNLESS the purchaser went off on a rant first by bad mouthing the system to high heavens.

What I did see in one of the threads was a long time CTE opponent and hater go off like a Chinese firecracker and Mr. Wilson gave him a nice fat 2 YEAR BAN.

LMAO at that scenario was well worth my time. It could happen again after the new book and videos come out based on their history.

 

[Mr. Wilson]

Let me be clear:

Nobody is forbidden from participating in these conversations.

The requirement is that ANYONE posting is NOT arguing about ANYTHING.
Commentary is to be productive.

If I think someone is badgering or baiting, there will be consequences.

That applies to both sides of any opinion.

 

[BC21]

It can easily be solved, he can just create a playlist.

This is a great option that a lot of people don't take advantage of .:thumbup:

 

[Low500]

You just went through 40 pages of my prior posts and read all of the replies to anything I ever posted? I am pretty amazed. It would take me weeks to go through all of that. I can't read all of the replys anyway as one of the members whom it may have been is on my Ignore List.
Either way, the question stands. Why would a 400 page book be necessary if CTE is so easy to understand?I am curious because I purchased both DVDs second hand through azb and had some problems with application of CTE. Certain shots just gave me fits no matter what. There are previous posts by me saying I found CTE useful for some shots and not others.
I just need a reason to spend money on the book. Does it explain things which are not in the DVDs? If so, I feel like the Final Chapter DVD was misrepresented because I purchased that thinking it would explain things better than the first DVD did. It is comments like these which received negative comments.
I am willing to try different things to see if they will improve my game. I have a digicue blue, various aiming dvds, books(aiming,drills, fundamentals) , SightRight etc. Spending the money does not bother me at all if I feel like there is something in a book or dvd which will improve my game. Take from that what you want.

It isn’t simple or easy to understand...at least it hasn’t been for me, so far that is.
I'm sorry CTE hasn't been everything you thought it would be. I too bought the DVD's and I too, for a while, was more confused than ever. To plunge into this method required cleaning out all the "how to shoot pool" information that had accumulated over 60 years of action. And I am STILL cleaning some of it out. (I'm not talking about stances, grips, etc. etc. I'm talking about where and how to hit the cue ball so it will make the object ball go into the pockets consistently). An issue that most instructors cleverly omit. CTE takes work...more for some, less for others.
Getting the perceptions down was the easiest part for me. Am I an expert with the method? ABSOLUTELY NOT....but I'm a lot better than I was. I still have trouble understanding the "sweeps". I still have trouble sometimes, due to eye fatigue, and wind up misjudging a 30 degree perception for a 45 degree perception. My banking is still mediocre. However, I'm robbing most people I play and can look at a guy for about 15 minutes and if he/she isn't advertising for a trap, I can spot the weaknesses and can calculate my chances pretty darn close.
I also find that when using the CTE perceptions and the "wagon wheel method" of calculating cue ball angle after object ball contact that my safety play has become deadlier than ever. (I do delight in sticking him up frozen behind a ball. Especially two balls before the money ball and watching him squirm...that's high percentage gambling and can really wear an opponent down mentally)
The nice part of the upcoming study series is you don't have to buy a book unless you want to move on with the method. Stan's TRUTH SERIES is going to be free and will be very in depth for instructions. If after heavy study of the Truth Series, you still feel like it stinks, then just let it all go and find a method that suits your tastes.
It really is a very good method of aiming and shooting pool. Just hang in there and exercise a lot of patience (which is a pain in the ass, I know).........but, things have a way of coming around.
Good wishes to you.
:thumbup: