Will we ever see "The Mouth" as Mosconi Cup Captain?

SpiderWebComm said:
I think Sigel isn't the underdog to anyone on the team in an all-around that included 14.1.

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Johnny Archer, who ran 174 in competition in 2010, is a better 14.1 player than Sigel and Dennis Hatch is comparable in 14.1 to Sigel. In fact, there isn't any game on a pool table that Sigel plays better than these two.

An all around between Mike and Shane Van Boening would be comical, whether or not 14.1 was included. Shane would crush Mike in any other discipline and would have an outside chance in 14.1.

Mike, whose place in pool history as one of the greatest ever is undeniable, has done nothing in recent years that would lead anyone to believe that he should be counted among the elite. Maybe you've seen something that the rest of us missed. If so, what was it?
 
To say JA is a better 14.1 player implies he can give odds/weight to Sigel and he can't. Sigel ran 180 on me not super long ago at Champions and he'd prob still be running out to this day if that one ball didn't skid on him. So, to say JA is the superior player due to a 170 ball run doesn't mean a ton. None of the MC team are favorites over Sigel in 14.1....not saying they're underdogs either...but Sigel is the smarter 14.1 player of all of them. I know that's opinion/conjecture and no one will likely play anyone. People think because Sigel isn't playing in many events that he must not be playing well.
 
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SpiderWebComm said:
To say JA is a better 14.1 player implies he can give odds/weight to Sigel and he can't. Sigel ran 180 on me not super long ago at Champions and he'd prob still be running out to this day if that one ball didn't skid on him. So, to say JA is the superior player due to a 170 ball run doesn't mean a ton. None of the MC team are favorites over Sigel in 14.1....not saying they're underdogs either...but Sigel is the smarter 14.1 player of all of them. I know that's opinion/conjecture and no one will likely play anyone. People think because Sigel isn't playing in many events that he must not be playing well.
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In the recent World Tournament of 14.1 events, in which both Sigel and Archer have often played, Johnny has reached the final day twice and Sigel has not reached the final day even once.

Archer also won the BCAPL 14.1 challenge this May.

Archer keeps backing up that he is one of the truly elite in 14.1. Sigel has very little to show for his efforts of late when he does compete. You may not think it means anything, but it does.
 
WHy not just send a legends team to the next Mosconi Cup and see how they do:

Earl, Sigel, Varner, Hopkins, and Davenport/McCreedy. Would definitely be entertaining even if they didn't win!
 
westcoast said:
WHy not just send a legends team to the next Mosconi Cup and see how they do:

Earl, Sigel, Varner, Hopkins, and Davenport/McCreedy. Would definitely be entertaining even if they didn't win!
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This is a very interesting idea. Race to five, what does it matter. I like that team. They can all wear Freddy B.'s Old School Pool shirts (special made with USA on them, of course).
 
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earl should be captain and everyone must show up with ear muffs,an army helmet, a long sleeve shirt, arm weights, gun shooting glasses..
no jump cues allowed and it must all me played on a 10 ft table with joe rogan as the ref lol!
 
clintw said:
earl should be captain and everyone must show up with ear muffs,an army helmet, a long sleeve shirt, arm weights, gun shooting glasses..
no jump cues allowed and it must all me played on a 10 ft table with joe rogan as the ref lol!
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and NO side pockets.
 
sjm said:
In the recent World Tournament of 14.1 events, in which both Sigel and Archer have often played, Johnny has reached the final day twice and Sigel has not reached the final day even once.

Archer also won the BCAPL 14.1 challenge this May.

Archer keeps backing up that he is one of the truly elite in 14.1. Sigel has very little to show for his efforts of late when he does compete. You may not think it means anything, but it does.
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I believe they played last Aug in an exhibition to 150 points and Sigel won.

I don't think Archer has any 14.1 world titles - I know Mike has several. As I said -- this is all conjecture stuff and usually tit-for-tat based on someone's opinions.
 
I'm a little upset that nobody has mentioned Danny Diliberto as a possible
captain.
He's got the knowledge, the will, the discipline, and the ability to explain it.

Although I think CJ is fine...he can't shoot the balls in for his player.
 
sjm said:
Johnny Archer, who ran 174 in competition in 2010, is a better 14.1 player than Sigel and Dennis Hatch is comparable in 14.1 to Sigel. In fact, there isn't any game on a pool table that Sigel plays better than these two.
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Huh? Sigel is probably the best 14.1 player since Mosconi. Archer has never done anything in 14.1 or proved to be anything in that game compared to Sigel. In fact Sigel is also a hell of aot better in 1-pocket then Archer.

You want to see Archer vs Sigel in a TAR match, 8-ball race to 21, 1-pocket race to 7, and 14.1 to 500 points on the TAR table, I will bet $1000 on Sigel to take it to this day as long as he warmed up for it.
 
westcoast said:
WHy not just send a legends team to the next Mosconi Cup and see how they do:

Earl, Sigel, Varner, Hopkins, and Davenport/McCreedy. Would definitely be entertaining even if they didn't win!
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You don't need to send a team of guys who cannot win it.

Earl
Archer
Jose
Sigel
SVB

From a pure skill point of view I think that is the team that the USA team could send that would still have the heart, experience and talent to potentially beat any European team out there.

The reality is there are no modern day young pro pool players beyond SVB in the USA who could carry the jock strap of the 1990's and earlier top American pros. There are no up and coming Varner, or Sigel or Earl or Buddy, none.
 
SpiderWebComm said:
I believe they played last Aug in an exhibition to 150 points and Sigel won.

I don't think Archer has any 14.1 world titles - I know Mike has several. As I said -- this is all conjecture stuff and usually tit-for-tat based on someone's opinions.
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Nobody suggests that Archer is mentionable in 14.1 with Sigel in terms of career. Only Greenleaf, Mosconi and Crane are, in my opinion, mentionable with Mike in those terms. The claim I reacted to is that Sigel plays better 14.1 TODAY than Johnny. Having seen each of them play 14.1 live on numerous occasions in the past few years, I strongly disagree.

When he does battle with the best, Mike has not has not had better than a top five finish in an elite-field 14.1 event since his prime. If he has a higher speed than this, he hasn't shown it.
 
sjm said:
Nobody suggests that Archer is mentionable in 14.1 with Sigel in terms of career. Only Greenleaf, Mosconi and Crane are, in my opinion, mentionable with Mike in those terms. The claim I reacted to is that Sigel plays better 14.1 TODAY than Johnny. Having seen each of them play 14.1 live on numerous occasions in the past few years, I strongly disagree.

When he does battle with the best, Mike has not has not had better than a top five finish in an elite-field 14.1 event since his prime. If he has a higher speed than this, he hasn't shown it.
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Don't forget Steve Mizerak...some feel that if straight pool had been more
popular in Steve's prime, that he would have shown to be the best ever.
 
Celtic said:
You don't need to send a team of guys who cannot win it.

Earl
Archer
Jose
Sigel
SVB

From a pure skill point of view I think that is the team that the USA team could send that would still have the heart, experience and talent to potentially beat any European team out there.

The reality is there are no modern day young pro pool players beyond SVB in the USA who could carry the jock strap of the 1990's and earlier top American pros. There are no up and coming Varner, or Sigel or Earl or Buddy, none.
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Parica is considered Filipino, right?
 
Yes to Johhny, Tony, Mark

sjm said:
Now let's think about this.

Johan Ruijsink may soon be considered the greatest ever Mosconi Cup coach. He has leadership skills, shows wonderful sportsmanship, brings unity to his team, and has pool instruction skills. Yes, playing credentials and Mosconi Cup experience is also a plus, but are not critical.

If I think about which three Americans have everything it takes to be a successful Mosconi Cup captain in the future, they would be:

Johnny Archer
The perfect choice, should the day ever arrive when he is unable to make the team as a player. He sure looked ageless this past week, but his leadership skills were also on full display, as was his fine demeanor and sportsmanship.

Tony Robles
The former BCA Open Champion and member of a winning Mosconi Cup team was twice voted the sportsmanship award by his peers in his days on the Camel Tour. He is a highly regarded instructor and a gentleman of the highest order.

Mark Wilson
Mark is considered by some to be the best pool instructor in America. He plays pro speed pool and was a member of a winning Mosconi Cup team in the 1990's. He is highly respected by his peers and he is a perfect gentleman.

I think all three of these guys can bring the kind of stability and continuity to Team America that Johan has brought time and time again to Team Europe.

Established legends like Sigel and Strickland, who too often embarrass the game through their behavior, would be poor choices.

Finally, I concur that CJ Wiley did a solid job and put Team America in position to win. Europe was just the better team, and we've got nothing to be ashamed of.
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I love your response and your choices for captain.

Watching the Cup, I thought Johnny's wife did more effective coaching (on scene) than CJ. Not knocking CJ, but he didn't seem that involved. Of course he may have done a great job before the event in preparing his team....

Mike Sigel? I've seen him insult and disrespect people too many times. Unless he's outgrown that stuff, which may well be.

I also liked the responses from Hungarian and sjm.
 
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Celtic said:
TBH the most recent play Sigel had in events he played in a couple years ago makes me feel he is actually still one of the top 5 players in the USA. He is better then 3 of the MC team members this year imo.
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Both Mike Sigel and Kim Davenport are two players that aren't competing anymore that are both still capable of stellar pool...

Kim would make an excellent MC coach....

Jaden
 
westcoast said:
WHy not just send a legends team to the next Mosconi Cup and see how they do:

Earl, Sigel, Varner, Hopkins, and Davenport/McCreedy. Would definitely be entertaining even if they didn't win!
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I love this idea the Americans never win anymore anyways why not make it more fun to watch! And IMO Earl should be on the current team hes better than Shuff and Dechaine
 
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