Win the flip in 8 ball, breaker decides to let his opponent break.
Is it then your opponents break next, or is it yours?
Is it then your opponents break next, or is it yours?
Win the Flip
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Congrats. This is the first thread of yours where I understood the title.
If your opponent broke the first game, and then your opponent broke the second game as well, would that be alternate breaking?
If you won the coin toss, and you gave your opponent the opening break, and your opponent broke again the next rack, could your opponent then state, "I started breaking, so I get to break every other rack", therefore I get to break the third rack as well? Do you see where this is headed?
If your opponent broke the first game, and then your opponent broke the second game as well, would that be alternate breaking?
alternate: every other; every second.
If you won the coin toss, and you gave your opponent the opening break, and your opponent broke again the next rack, could your opponent then state, "I started breaking, so I get to break every other rack", therefore I get to break the third rack as well? Do you see where this is headed?
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DeeDeeCues
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Neither. The rules of chivalry clearly state that if you give the break to your opponent after winning the choice to break, the rest of the match a third party will break every rack. If playing in a place that allows minors, it must be an eleven year old girl scout with at least eleven badges. If playing in a place where minors aren't allowed, it must be the drunkest guy in the bar and he has to start a fight if the match goes hill/hill.
sweet jeebus.
sweet jeebus.
How can the breaker decide to let his opponent break?
They would both be there until closing time with the first rack still intact?
Maybe the rules say the winner of the lag/flip decides who should break?
If so, I think the next breaker is determined by the standard break order rule of the event -- winner, alternate, ...
I thought it was alternate break, they determined since I took the first break it wasn't ok for me to break the second rack.
I was fine with that.... I wanted a ruling was all, BUT by assuming it Was my break and Questioning the situation, my opponent chose to get in my face.
Literally....
What did I do?
I broke it down.... put my cue in my case and left.
I had better things to do on the 4th.
bm
I was fine with that.... I wanted a ruling was all, BUT by assuming it Was my break and Questioning the situation, my opponent chose to get in my face.
Literally....
What did I do?
I broke it down.... put my cue in my case and left.
I had better things to do on the 4th.
bm
This is a completely different situation.
I never did break the second game/rack.
xX-Wizard-Xx
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this thread is broken
thought the same thing. most of the time i have no clue where he's going.
DeeDeeCues
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This has to be the dumbest episode of 'The Twilight Zone' ever.
...imagine if you will, you lose the flip, but your opponent gives you the break. Your opponent gets upset when you attempt to take the second break, also.
...imagine if you will, you lose the flip, but your opponent gives you the break. Your opponent gets upset when you attempt to take the second break, also.
Why in the world did the winner of the flip give up the break? I’ve never in my life seen anyone do that. He should have kept to proper protocol.
I’ve heard of Pat Fleming claiming the break was a disadvantage overall, but I doubt even he gave it up in his playing days.
I’ve heard of Pat Fleming claiming the break was a disadvantage overall, but I doubt even he gave it up in his playing days.
DeeDeeCues
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Plenty of reasons. Maybe you know your opponent has a terrible break. Maybe you know your opponent has a great break, but isn't a threat to run out. Maybe you are playing a confused old guy. Maybe your opponent is a 23y/o lady in a short skirt. I've done it and had it done to me numerous times. It can be a great mind game.
If I want to give up the break, I try to do it before a coin flip.
Pat did, in fact, sometimes give up the break. He even gave his opponent all the breaks with some excuse such as a sore arm. That was back when the break was not an advantage for a lot of players on the tour. The maximum power style led to a lot of scratches and even cue balls off the table.
As for the applicable rule, that depends on the event and the TD. Here is what the CSI rules say:
3. The player who wins the lag may either break or require their opponent to break.
For the next break, the rule depends on the event and game. The standard CSI rule says:
In matches consisting of multiple games, the Administrative Authority of the event will set the procedure for determining which player or team will break subsequent racks. (AR p. 84) (but one pocket is explicitly alternate break)
I can't recall seeing the stat I really want to know, somebody's break and win stats. It is very common for people to head into very low percentage shots before considering a safety. Now a safety is the better option but they didn't play shape to play safe.
The person that planned to play a safe before their first shot other than the break when a safety is necessary is going to have a lot higher break and win percentage than someone that seems to blunder into safeties. Far better known today with one pocket gaining popularity but when eight ball and rotation games were the norm safety play tended to be very weak.
As for the original question, I have never seen anything other than the standard rules when someone gives away a break. Shooter or opponent breaks according to the same rules that would apply had the winner of the flip not given away the break. )
Hu
The person that planned to play a safe before their first shot other than the break when a safety is necessary is going to have a lot higher break and win percentage than someone that seems to blunder into safeties. Far better known today with one pocket gaining popularity but when eight ball and rotation games were the norm safety play tended to be very weak.
As for the original question, I have never seen anything other than the standard rules when someone gives away a break. Shooter or opponent breaks according to the same rules that would apply had the winner of the flip not given away the break. )
Hu
AtLarge usually posts that stat for the events he covers. That's not for an individual's season, though.
I don't understand that strategy. If it is alternate break, the person who breaks first will also break last at hill-hill.
If it is winner (or loser) breaks, either player is roughly equally likely to be breaking at hill-hill.
I suppose in Pat Fleming's days of winner breaks, it was easier to answer the OP's question. In that case, you could say "the winner of the game gets to designate the breaker of the next game".
In the alt break format of the modern era, that all breaks down.
Its this scenario:
In the alt break format of the modern era, that all breaks down.
Its this scenario: