With all due respect CJ Wiley

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PINKLADY said:
ok, i'm gonna REDIRECT this thread BACK ON TOPIC - to me-eeee!
(and i'm pulling rank, cause it's my birthday & i'm the 12th Day of Xmas & i've got PMS)

RE: CJ & JB CASES posts/promos
do yáll see a difference????

pull the stats - ATLARGE - where are you?

JB CASES has posted MORE than CJ, in a CJ thread.
CJ has posted w/ class & humorous stories.
JB has posted w/ ___ .

both are supposedly in SALES...?
this thread is about WHAT/WHO...?

Happy - Birthday - to me - JB!
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Sorry I am in a discussion and I don't track stats. I respond to points made as part of the discussion. I have never understood this fascination with pointing out how many times a person posted in a thread - so what? Even Lou said forums are about back and forth and that's what we are doing.

I guess the bashing Lou has done is classy? Calling pros broke losers who are not intelligent enough to get what a forum is for? Yes that's major class. Posting emails from 13 years ago that contain loads of profanity while making unfounded accusations about the author is pure class.

And it's not a CJ thread. It's a bash CJ thread started by someone else.

My sales are fine thank you I don't need lessons.

Happy birthday to you. Yesterday was my daughter's, the first was my wife's, the 12th is mine. Enjoy it.

As for Lou, I know firsthand what you experienced in Vegas. Lou is a very pleasant individual in those social situations. I am guessing you didn't read the email I sent to him in 2010 expressing exactly that. Perhaps a birthday wish you could give yourself is to read things a little deeper before judging others.
 
jay helfert said:
Why am I beginning to feel like when John and Lou finally play it will be anti climatic? We are so used to seeing good players on live streams, playing all games, that I'm wondering how it will work to see two lesser players banging the balls around. I damn sure wouldn't want a game of mine to be streamed so people can see me hit balls into the rail. :D

It almost feels like there is beginning to be too much pre-match hype, that the actual match can never live up to. At this point in time I expect to be disappointed, sorry to say. And just may decide to not even watch it. I find myself so turned off by all this "noise" that I no longer care who wins or loses.

I know one thing, that I enjoy watching two good players go at it. I love it when they make the game look easy. I almost feel like they help me get in stroke just by watching. On the other hand, watching medicore players can get me out of stroke. Nothing personal, unless you want to take it that way. :)
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Hitting balls into rails is most of what one pocket is about. My points all tie back to things Lou has said. He bashes professional players constantly, your friends. You know as well as I do that lots of pro players won't touch AZB because of guys like Lou. Whether you will admit it or not is another story since you ride the fence a lot.

You yourself have been put on tilt occasionally by trolls so you know what it feels like. You also defend yourself well and do fade the heat. But I am 100% positive that you would feel much better if the heat weren't there to have to deal with.
 
PINKLADY said:
ok, i'm gonna REDIRECT this thread BACK ON TOPIC - to me-eeee!
(and i'm pulling rank, cause it's my birthday & i'm the 12th Day of Xmas & i've got PMS)

RE: CJ & JB CASES posts/promos
do yáll see a difference????

pull the stats - ATLARGE - where are you?

JB CASES has posted MORE than CJ, in a CJ thread.
CJ has posted w/ class & humorous stories.
JB has posted w/ ___ .

both are supposedly in SALES...?
this thread is about WHAT/WHO...?

Happy - Birthday - to me - JB!
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JB is arguing pool. CJ is selling something. I would rather follow a JB argument/debate for pages than read one single "hey look at me" CJ post. JB does not abuse the main forum as his personal infomercial.
 
prewarhero said:
JB is arguing pool. CJ is selling something. I would rather follow a JB argument/debate for pages than read one single "hey look at me" CJ post. JB does not abuse the main forum as his personal infomercial.
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yes, and no....depends on how you look @ it. BOTH, have sig lines for their products. BOTH respond exponentially, for absolutely no reason. BOTH redirect threads to themselves.

we understand it for what it is.

my point, was that CJ (w/ x of SJD), doesn't call people names & cuss them out & show his ass - when they could be potential customers.

my other point, was to redirect this thread. in which, JB made my point.

(DISCLAIMER: i don't discriminate. i have also COMPLIMENTED JB CASES, where due)
 
PINKLADY said:
yes, and no....depends on how you look @ it. BOTH, have sig lines for their products. BOTH respond exponentially, for absolutely no reason. BOTH redirect threads to themselves.

we understand it for what it is.

my point, was that CJ (w/ x of SJD), doesn't call people names & cuss them out & show his ass - when they could be potential customers.

my other point, was to redirect this thread. in which, JB made my point.

(DISCLAIMER: i don't discriminate. i have also COMPLIMENTED JB CASES, where due)
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I have not cussed out any potential customers in this thread or otherwise. I promise that anyone I happen to be admonishing in a harsh way is pretty much someone I don't care about selling to.

One thing should be clear to you and everyone else, I don't pander to people here to get business. I say what I want to say and have learned to say it in a much nicer way.

When I respond at length to a post then it's because I have something to say not because the response is pointless. As for my signature, it's not any different than anyone else's signature. Some people use theirs to needle other posters, some use it to advertise their taste in women, some have pictures of their dogs, etc... For me it's like wearing a T-shirt in the poolroom advertising my business.

You can turn them off in your preferences. You can turn all banner ads off with browser add ons.

But pointing them out when you have the individual power to turn them off and the power to skip threads you don't want to read is sort of pointless isn't it?
 
JB Cases said:
I have not cussed out any potential customers in this thread or otherwise. I promise that anyone I happen to be admonishing in a harsh way is pretty much someone I don't care about selling to.

One thing should be clear to you and everyone else, I don't pander to people here to get business. I say what I want to say and have learned to say it in a much nicer way.

When I respond at length to a post then it's because I have something to say not because the response is pointless. As for my signature, it's not any different than anyone else's signature. Some people use theirs to needle other posters, some use it to advertise their taste in women, some have pictures of their dogs, etc... For me it's like wearing a T-shirt in the poolroom advertising my business.

You can turn them off in your preferences. You can turn all banner ads off with browser add ons.

But pointing them out when you have the individual power to turn them off and the power to skip threads you don't want to read is sort of pointless isn't it?
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give me a few - we're watching the extra clips from $1M Match
 
JB Cases said:
I have not cussed out any potential customers in this thread or otherwise. I promise that anyone I happen to be admonishing in a harsh way is pretty much someone I don't care about selling to.

One thing should be clear to you and everyone else, I don't pander to people here to get business. I say what I want to say and have learned to say it in a much nicer way.

When I respond at length to a post then it's because I have something to say not because the response is pointless. As for my signature, it's not any different than anyone else's signature. Some people use theirs to needle other posters, some use it to advertise their taste in women, some have pictures of their dogs, etc... For me it's like wearing a T-shirt in the poolroom advertising my business.

You can turn them off in your preferences. You can turn all banner ads off with browser add ons.

But pointing them out when you have the individual power to turn them off and the power to skip threads you don't want to read is sort of pointless isn't it?
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absolutely.
(and i may have inadvertently used the term "cussed-out", but it was meant as across-the-board.)

the point of this thread IMO, is OVERKILL....John. regardless of to whom it's directed. (CJ, et al, & myself included @ times....)

BOTH of yáll - no offense - need to tone it down @ "advertising"/posting. yes, you stand your ground; respect! but (like others), when you intentionally redirect to YÁLL'S personal agenda(s)....

....hence this thread.

PS - i do understand what you are saying RE: sales. i QUALIFY my accounts & stop in tracks if red flags up front; NOT WORTH IT. but i would NEVER put my reputation out there, in disparaging potential customers, publically.
EX: as expert as your cases may be, and as good as your "customer service" may be, and as i may need 3 @ future, i would hesitate to buy from you - because i have read your posts....

....hence this thread.
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I don't understand what this "moving" is all about.

Now you're talkin......SHD got me motivated to play more one pocket....it's a great game, although I don't understand what this "moving" is all about....it's unnecessary. ;)


JB Cases said:
Who said anything about one pocket instruction from CJ? He has a lot more to teach than that.

One thing is 100% clear though.

YOU don't want to play CJ one pocket for any amount. I will stake him to play you the same race to nine for $50,000 and you only have to put up $30,000. Will your backers go for that?

After all you DID take two games off Efren once. Should be a cakewalk for you to beat CJ Wiley in one pocket. He only probably needs 3 hours instead of 3 weeks to get ready for you.
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PINKLADY said:
absolutely.
(and i may have inadvertently used the term "cussed-out", but it was meant as across-the-board.)

the point of this thread IMO, is OVERKILL....John. regardless of to whom it's directed. (CJ, et al, & myself included @ times....)

BOTH of yáll - no offense - need to tone it down @ "advertising"/posting. yes, you stand your ground; respect! but (like others), when you intentionally redirect to YÁLL'S personal agenda(s)....

....hence this thread.

PS - i do understand what you are saying RE: sales. i QUALIFY my accounts & stop in tracks if red flags up front; NOT WORTH IT. but i would NEVER put my reputation out there, in disparaging potential customers, publically.
EX: as expert as your cases may be, and as good as your "customer service" may be, and as i may need 3 @ future, i would hesitate to buy from you - because i have read your posts....

....hence this thread.
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Why would you hesitate to buy from me? Specifically?

I mean if that's the case then you want to tell me that you do research on every person or company whose products you are considering and judge them before purchasing their products?

I sincerely doubt that you do that.

What specifically have I done that is so bad you wouldn't buy a case if you and I have otherwise not had any personal run ins?

To that I want to also say that over the years it's been refreshing to get emails where people applaud me for standing up for what I feel is right in the face of criticism. So I guess I will have to live with the idea that some folks are turned off to my product because they don't like me and be comforted by the fact that many people are turned on to the product because they do like me, and they tend to be repeat customers.

And you know the best part?

I have some customers who were Barton-haters and when they got my cases and inspected them they sent me an emails that have basically said, "everything you have been saying is right, sorry for being an ass to you". And I have customers who disagree with some of my views and still we get along.

I would rather be MYSELF on here and give this community the real John Barton than to be some mouse in the corner afraid to speak up for fear of losing a potential sale. Potential sales are fantasies anyway. A sale happens when someone actually purchases something. My observation is that a person who chooses not to buy a case for whatever reason is not a customer anyway.

I have never had a single person withdraw an order because of what I have said on AZB. Not one. Ever.

So I focus on those who are actual buyers and not the potential buyers. Potential buyers get to read all about my product and my views and make their decisions as they wish to.

I am not a big fan of trying to control people by waving the "potential buyer" card. Sorry you don't get to tell me how to act NOW because of some vague promise of what you might do in the future.

Now if you stepped up and sent me a check for $1,000,000 to buy my brand under the condition that I quit AZB - sorry AZB I can be bought. :-)
 
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$1,000,000 to leave
can not be bought

Even if John can't be bought I can
please send cash immediately

in fact for $1,000,000 I think I could get CJ to split with me

The cash is the teacher
 
I also don't understand what the problem is really? Where else do you get to interact with the leaders in the industry?

I can PROMISE that more industry people would be on here IF the climate was more inviting. This very thread is part of the reason they are not.

How cool would it be to have Ivan Lee answering Simonis questions, Skip Nemecek himself weighing in on the Pre-Flag nonsense? Wouldn't it be great if the people who hold the past 50 years of pool industry and playing history in their heads were here to interact with normal folks?

But no, god forbid they should have an ad in their signature. That's -gasp- marketing the dreaded M-word - can't have any of that can we?
 
I've learned a lot about life, people, human nature, and internal suffering in pool

JB Cases said:
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That's too logical, John, then they would have nothing left to complain about....and you know how restless and discontent "they" get when they have nothing to complain about.....they might have to start playing pool, and even see pool as a microcosm of life.

Pool, to me, has always been a microcosm of life in general with scenarios like "risk/reward", "win/win", "win/lose", "goal setting", "human nature tests", "structured rules", "honesty/dishonesty", "systems & controls", "capitalism", "money management", "socialism", "democracy", "social skills", compassion, understanding, problem solving, meditation, hand/eye coordination, calibrating people, gambling, drug/alcohol reality, reading road maps, etc.

I've learned a lot about life, people, human tendencies, and especially myself playing and competing at pocket billiards (and other games/sports). I'm told humans can learn life just living "life on life's terms," and I'm not sure it could be as well rounded and diversified as matching up and competing. If you can survive in the greatest pool rooms you certainly have a head start on those that just learned in class room environments.

I'm not sure if I love pool, have a passion for it, or was just destined and born to play. Can any of us honestly answer that question? One thing's for sure, we've had "life experiences" that we could get no other way.
 
JB Cases said:
I also don't understand what the problem is really? Where else do you get to interact with the leaders in the industry?

I can PROMISE that more industry people would be on here IF the climate was more inviting. This very thread is part of the reason they are not.

How cool would it be to have Ivan Lee answering Simonis questions, Skip Nemecek himself weighing in on the Pre-Flag nonsense? Wouldn't it be great if the people who hold the past 50 years of pool industry and playing history in their heads were here to interact with normal folks?

But no, god forbid they should have an ad in their signature. That's -gasp- marketing the dreaded M-word - can't have any of that can we?
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If the climate were more inviting, I'd go to a lot of different bars/halls, too. There's a reason why corporate heads aren't on TV speaking their minds.. because people disagree with each other and try to keep that problem out of business. I'm happy to sit here and BS with other pool people. I couldn't care less who has $ or not. As long as somebody acts condescending or whatever, they get treated appropriately.. doesn't matter if they're Joe Schmoe or Richie Rich. If they don't like being treated like real people, they should stay away. Sort of like going outside.

Sig ads aren't the problem, it's the creation of a hundred threads a month and the relentless barrage of posts(sometimes responding to themselves) trying to sell something.. at least, that's what bugs me.

Sure, it would be great if I could ask Bobby Flay about something I'm cooking, but I'd just as soon shoot the (stuff) with my friends about what they've been making. If I really needed a pro's advice, I'd take a class, buy a book, send a letter/e-mail or watch a program.
 
Well I think one difference between say JB and CJ is that they aren't selling products like you see in the wanted for sale section. They aren't selling sticks that they want to sell right away. They have a product line or several products for sale. Should they have to post in the wanted / for sale section and bump every 48 hours. They just have links in their posts that anyone or everyone knows about and can choose to ignore if it's such an issue. Sure CJ wants to promote any new products and in the main forum is the best place. For those not interested some of the other sections. We wouldn't know about other products. Doesn't bother me. There are several posters that have links whether they buy, sell, teach or whatever. Seems what's Ok for others is wrong but they get a pass. When you single out one person you make it personal. When you make it personal you lose credibility.

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