You aren't wrong, but that's what happens when humans get involved: you have the potential for every option under the sun.
IF we could just figure out how to make this World run without the people...it would go a lot smoother
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Without The Cupcakes, There's Not That Much To Eat
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You aren't wrong, but that's what happens when humans get involved: you have the potential for every option under the sun.
IF we could just figure out how to make this World run without the people...it would go a lot smoother
.Yeah it was Joey and Joey ain't no cupcake. He's always respectful, win or lose. When I play him in tournaments I get stupid weight and still don't like my end of it. Great guy with a tremendous amount of natural ability.
This is gonna sound weird (and I'll readily admit I didn't read a lot of the posts in this thread) but...
Why do you keep capitalizing CUPCAKE? I only ask because I remember playing NY and NJ area tournies several years ago and played someone who was actually nicknamed Cupcake.
He was pretty terrible but... the guy was so effin' funny it was hard to NOT like him.
Why do you keep capitalizing CUPCAKE? I only ask because I remember playing NY and NJ area tournies several years ago and played someone who was actually nicknamed Cupcake.
He was pretty terrible but... the guy was so effin' funny it was hard to NOT like him.
I agree. Mike made some pretty good shots in that match for Dennis to claim it all resulted from the 9 knocked-in out of turn.
Dennis was agitated about the game of 9-ball but he did give Alex a playful bear hug at the end. I want to like the guy but his style of griping about rolls and shots and outcomes conflicts with my playing style and is kind of a turn-off when it comes to rooting for him as a pro player.
And you could add his sharking to those. Johnnyt
cupcakes & superstars
I have seen the afore mentioned senario played out before. Were it not for the "Cupcakes" of this "Sport" there would be no tourneyments for any ungrateful "Superstar" to complain about.
All too often when someone reaches some level of "professional ability" they believe themselves superior to others & therefore "Special" that they should recieve "Special Treatment". Pool is not alone in this dementia. It seems all professional sports particularly in this country seem to suffer the "Primadonna sysdrome". Earl Strickland has never been known for his professional demeanor. He has always been known as an overgrown crybaby. Were it not for his inate abilities I seriously doubt he would have been tolerated. Of course some like to watch for him to melt down.
Unless an entire tour is set up to accrue points for the purpose of "Seeding" for a championship or like senario, no one has the right to be seeded. To what purpose, to allow the "Champions" chow down on the "Cupcakes" till they meet each other. With the hidden hope that some "Cupcake" knocks off a big shot so they don't have to actually face each other. A blind draw is the only fair system.
Neither Earl or any other "Pro" deserves any better treatment or any advantage over "Poor Joe Schmuck the Cupckae" who is entered in his very first tourneyment of his life. Luck of the draw pure & simple. Line 'em up, pair 'em up, rack 'em up,...Play Pool !!!!
If life on the tourneyment circuit is so bad that you are miserable & insist on sharing your misery then perhaps you should consider retirement or a new career. I hear "Micky D's" is hiring
There are many players who conduct themselves with professional demeanor. Who are aware that they are fortunate to play the game they love with a chance to earn money & for a rare few an actual living. Such players usually treat less talented players cordially & with respect. Most are friendly & willing to offer encouragement. I don't see them asking to recieve "Special Treatment".
There are many unknown or lesser known players who have talent & on given day under the right circumstances have a chance to win against "The Big Boys" in the short sets of a Tourneyment setting. I am pleased to see that one did so. If you have ever run 5 racks, then you have a real chance in most tourneyment settings to pull off a so called upset.
I will leave you with this, part of my personal philosphy on the game of pool. "When it ceases to be fun. I will cease to play" - BB
As always gentlemen "Good luck & good pool !"
Billy Bones :thumbup:
I have seen the afore mentioned senario played out before. Were it not for the "Cupcakes" of this "Sport" there would be no tourneyments for any ungrateful "Superstar" to complain about.
All too often when someone reaches some level of "professional ability" they believe themselves superior to others & therefore "Special" that they should recieve "Special Treatment". Pool is not alone in this dementia. It seems all professional sports particularly in this country seem to suffer the "Primadonna sysdrome". Earl Strickland has never been known for his professional demeanor. He has always been known as an overgrown crybaby. Were it not for his inate abilities I seriously doubt he would have been tolerated. Of course some like to watch for him to melt down.
Unless an entire tour is set up to accrue points for the purpose of "Seeding" for a championship or like senario, no one has the right to be seeded. To what purpose, to allow the "Champions" chow down on the "Cupcakes" till they meet each other. With the hidden hope that some "Cupcake" knocks off a big shot so they don't have to actually face each other. A blind draw is the only fair system.
Neither Earl or any other "Pro" deserves any better treatment or any advantage over "Poor Joe Schmuck the Cupckae" who is entered in his very first tourneyment of his life. Luck of the draw pure & simple. Line 'em up, pair 'em up, rack 'em up,...Play Pool !!!!
If life on the tourneyment circuit is so bad that you are miserable & insist on sharing your misery then perhaps you should consider retirement or a new career. I hear "Micky D's" is hiring
There are many players who conduct themselves with professional demeanor. Who are aware that they are fortunate to play the game they love with a chance to earn money & for a rare few an actual living. Such players usually treat less talented players cordially & with respect. Most are friendly & willing to offer encouragement. I don't see them asking to recieve "Special Treatment".
There are many unknown or lesser known players who have talent & on given day under the right circumstances have a chance to win against "The Big Boys" in the short sets of a Tourneyment setting. I am pleased to see that one did so. If you have ever run 5 racks, then you have a real chance in most tourneyment settings to pull off a so called upset.
I will leave you with this, part of my personal philosphy on the game of pool. "When it ceases to be fun. I will cease to play" - BB
As always gentlemen "Good luck & good pool !"
Billy Bones :thumbup:
Mr. Bones, I think you said a mouthful.
TD's are oftentimes in the unenviable position of having to stroke egos of the marquis players who attend their tourneys. And I, too, say BS to all that. Blind draws, match up, rack em and play. :smile: No special treatment!
The one real difficulty, of course, is keeping the big name players hanging around til late into the weekend so as not to discourage fans from coming. Well, IMO, seeding the players is giving a distinct adavantage to the big names thus allowing them an easier road to cashing in the tourney. How is that fair?
The lesser known players, the "cupcakes" as they are referred to in this thread, deserve a fair shot at reaching a cash round.
Blind draws and letting the chips fall wherever they do is the ONLY fair way to run these tourneys.
Seeding, however, some feel has to be done because it's better for business - and there's the value-added bonus of not having whining from superstars. Make no mistake about it, though, while this may be better for biz, it isn't fair to all who participate.
Tom, thanks for so astutely pointing out how it's the non-brand name guys whose desire to get in the box with some of the greats, are who, in large part, keep things going.
Best,
Brian kc
TD's are oftentimes in the unenviable position of having to stroke egos of the marquis players who attend their tourneys. And I, too, say BS to all that. Blind draws, match up, rack em and play. :smile: No special treatment!
The one real difficulty, of course, is keeping the big name players hanging around til late into the weekend so as not to discourage fans from coming. Well, IMO, seeding the players is giving a distinct adavantage to the big names thus allowing them an easier road to cashing in the tourney. How is that fair?
The lesser known players, the "cupcakes" as they are referred to in this thread, deserve a fair shot at reaching a cash round.
Blind draws and letting the chips fall wherever they do is the ONLY fair way to run these tourneys.
Seeding, however, some feel has to be done because it's better for business - and there's the value-added bonus of not having whining from superstars.
Make no mistake about it, though, while this may be better for biz, it isn't fair to all who participate.Tom, thanks for so astutely pointing out how it's the non-brand name guys whose desire to get in the box with some of the greats, are who, in large part, keep things going.
Best,
Brian kc
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Here's a thought......
What if the big name players 'stick around' for the remainder of the tournament ? Or, at a minimum, at least one additional day after they get knocked out ?
I see it as a great opportunity for the big name pros to do some PR work.
Sign autographs, do a short exhibition with the fans and/or another big name pro, walk through the crowds to shake hands and kiss some babies. Stop at the booth of a vendor or two, and thank them for being there. Thank the fans, have a few pictures taken, etc.
The way I see it, the pros/big names have pretty much cleared thier schedule for the entire tournament.
-It costs at least $100 to change an airline reservation, and in some cases much more.
-Some of the major car rental agencies will charge the full original rental amount, even if you bring the car back early.
-Hotels & motels are slowly getting on the same bandwagon, and charging the total rate of the entire stay, regardless if you check out a day or two earlier.
Heck, when I used to go to Las Vegas for Nationals, my plane didn't leave until after the singles or team event (depending on which I was playing in). If I/we get knocked out early, we find other stuff to do, and usually enter mini-tourneys or watch the deeper matches.
Even if I wanted to switch hotels or turn in the rental car, regardless of whether or not I was charged for the entire time (and I have been able to successfully fight these ridiculous charges), I still have to contend with waiting for the day of my flight.
In my opinion, the pros/big names are missing out on a great opportunity to do some real public relations work with the fans, vendors and companies that they are hoping will support the game that they want to make a decent living at.
Bottom line is, just like any job, the more they are willing to put into it, the more they can get out of it.
Maybe they ought to seed the players, then have the seeded players play each other, and give the "cupcakes" an easier path to the second round...
Someday, some TD with enough cojones will stand up and say that to these guys in a players meeting.
That would be fun to see and hear.
Someday, some TD with enough cojones will stand up and say that to these guys in a players meeting.
That would be fun to see and hear.
I guess this thread, hit a few nerves, that's good.
I don't have any problems with SEEDING players.
First of all, if you beat the seeded player, you become the seeded player. Not only that, if the seeds all win, the losers side of the chart becomes a more inviting place.
I played in an event in New Bedford Mass. that they seeded players. Out of the sixteen seeded players, six of them lost, in the first round.
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I don't have any problems with SEEDING players.
First of all, if you beat the seeded player, you become the seeded player. Not only that, if the seeds all win, the losers side of the chart becomes a more inviting place.
I played in an event in New Bedford Mass. that they seeded players. Out of the sixteen seeded players, six of them lost, in the first round.
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I don't have any problem at all with tournament directors/organizers decideing to seed their tournaments. When you put up $25k in the prize pool you get to decide what happens.
Anybody wants to piss and moan about it can be shown the door. I hate the entitlement mentality that a lot of these players have. Don't they realize they are that top of a small pile? Why do they stand their proclaiming their greatness? A professional pool player has less clout and less popularity than a professional bowler. Nobody wants to hear you piss and moan.
Anybody wants to piss and moan about it can be shown the door. I hate the entitlement mentality that a lot of these players have. Don't they realize they are that top of a small pile? Why do they stand their proclaiming their greatness? A professional pool player has less clout and less popularity than a professional bowler. Nobody wants to hear you piss and moan.
How bout just seeding the cupcakes? Or putting all the pros in the one loss side to start? LOL Some of them would get really upset I am sure!
If I were a TD I would say that is what we are doing just to see how many of them got mad! Then I would say "just kidding!" lol
hmmm
I agree. I do believe the pro's have "earned" the right to be seeded. Heck, they put the time and miles in honing their skill. Many other sports (tennis anyone) do the same thing. Makes the tourney more attactive to the fans that many pros will still be there on the last day. Personally speaking, as a cupcake, I'd rather get knocked out by Earl, Johnny or SVB any day of the week, rather than by another cupcake ! What kind of BS story you gonna tell if some other cupcake knocks you out. But if it is SVB, hey, that's a whole nother story to tell !!
I agree. I do believe the pro's have "earned" the right to be seeded. Heck, they put the time and miles in honing their skill. Many other sports (tennis anyone) do the same thing. Makes the tourney more attactive to the fans that many pros will still be there on the last day. Personally speaking, as a cupcake, I'd rather get knocked out by Earl, Johnny or SVB any day of the week, rather than by another cupcake ! What kind of BS story you gonna tell if some other cupcake knocks you out. But if it is SVB, hey, that's a whole nother story to tell !!