Without the US Open 9 ball event...

Black-Balled said:
Sounds like a prime opportunity for an enterprising individual- buy Barry's debt at a reduced amount and pay the owed player on the spot.

IIRC, Chohan made hizzelf a nice little chunk doing just this in Norfolk.
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Can you please elaborate? This is new to me! I had not heard this about T.C. :p
 
jay helfert said:
Your argument is irrational and your logic is flawed. Other than that, your spelling is superb! :rolleyes:
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I am glad you spoke up, there is no need to fear a verbal assault from me.

This thread is actively brainstorming, Black-Balled was the big winner. But he had points to debate. When you get some post them.
 
justnum said:
I am glad you spoke up, there is no need to fear a verbal assault from me.

This thread is actively brainstorming, Black-Balled was the big winner. But he had points to debate. When you get some post them.
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Same to you pointless. When you make any kind of statement that makes sense, then I will have something to say. So far what you said was totally fallacious and useless. A fourth grader could see the lack of reasoning behind your comments about money and exposure. Let's see, less money is good and television exposure world wide is bad. Hmm, what's wrong with that picture? I just don't know, let me think about it a while. :idea:
 
Black-balled - seems just***/pocketpoint/whoever... has a man crush on you now.... please whatever you do, do not let him entice you into starting 22 threads about one subject over a week or so.

He's already mandated a date for the 2 sides to have things worked out, as the self appointed representative of everyone here at AZB.:eek:

Maybe you can cozy up to him/her and find out if him/her can even draw their ball. (hey, I'm sure you've see the type yourself... they act as if they are a authority on pool, then when you get them on a table, they can't run 2 balls and all they know how to play is 8 ball and 3 ball):grin:
 
"CaliRed". said:
Black-balled - seems just***/pocketpoint/whoever... has a man crush on you now.... please whatever you do, do not let him entice you into starting 22 threads about one subject over a week or so.

He's already mandated a date for the 2 sides to have things worked out, as the self appointed representative of everyone here at AZB.:eek:

Maybe you can cozy up to him/her and find out if him/her can even draw their ball. (hey, I'm sure you've see the type yourself... they act as if they are a authority on pool, then when you get them on a table, they can't run 2 balls and all they know how to play is 8 ball and 3 ball):grin:
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c'mon, man! i got steak n cheese in one hand, 401k docoments in the other and i am talking to you!

anyway, i got my hands full ith 'georgia boy' already.:D
 
justnum said:
This thread is about what the pool industry without Barry's US Open event would be like.

Barry's Open as it is and has been run has not had worldwide television exposure. The WPBA Open does have worldwide television exposure because of their ESPN agreement. I doubt you have the two confused, but lets be clear about that.

Less money or more money is not a point I am debating. I am debating that without the US Open pro players don't lose that much.

The criteria that I measured losses are in the categories of player rankings by earnings, visibility and impact on players schedule.

The rankings earnings are only changed by the winner of the Open. Barry's US Open has lower visibility than the WPBA US Open. If prize money is slow paid players are unable to play in other events.

Black-balled suggested a solution Barry let a loan shark pay the prize money and then Barry pay off the loan shark, this way late payments aren't an issue.

Instead sitting there hoping for things to get better, we are trying to develop solutions that would be helpful. Black-balled's solution is better than what everyone else is saying. It addresses the ABP concern of late payments and Barry might get away with a 50K escrow id he deals with a loan shark.
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You have a myopic view of the world billiard scene. I hate to tell you this alarming news, but the USA is not the whole world. The U.S. Open has already been shown to a worldwide television audience. Sorry if you missed the notice. And the $180,000 that was paid in 2010 makes it the most significant single event in the American pool scene. It's actually far more than the 14% that SJM stated in an earlier post.

Plus it is the most important single event in determining who plays on the Mosconi Cup team! That is potentially a $15,000 payday, times five equals another $75,000! HELLO! Now we're talking over $250,000 in total money as a direct result of this one event. If you think this is meaningless to the pro pool players, you just aren't paying attention or are really clueless.

Bottom line, professional pool without the U.S. Open would suffer a huge loss. Spin it any way you want, but it all adds up to the same thing. The players need the Open more than Barry needs them. As far as your argument that players can't play in other tournaments because of slow pay by Barry at the Open. I say HOGWASH! This is also not worth debating, but somehow too obvious for your feeble mind to grasp.

And finally suggesting Barry employ the services of a loan shark, LAUGHABLE! Like I said, come up with something that remotely makes sense and then proceed. So far you have struck out twice.

There is one solution though. The players can show up and play, and accept the free entries plus the 50K in added money, and say thank you to Barry on their way out. Or they can stay home and pine for better horizons.
 
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jay helfert said:
There is one solution though. The players can show up and play, and accept the free entries plus the 50K in added money, and say thank you to Barry on their way out. Or they can stay home and pine for better horizons.
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Jay,
How much do you charge for lessons? :grin:

You have to stop giving out these free lessons to Numbnuts. :embarrassed2:
 
justnum = pocketpoint????

Is there anyway a mod can trace the ISPs of the 2 and see if they are not truly one and the same? There can be no other answer that I can some up with... Multiple clueless posts on the same topics.... Surely they both couldn't have fallen off the stooopid tree and hit every branch on the way down....
 
The Renfro said:
Is there anyway a mod can trace the ISPs of the 2 and see if they are not truly one and the same? There can be no other answer that I can some up with... Multiple clueless posts on the same topics.... Surely they both couldn't have fallen off the stooopid tree and hit every branch on the way down....
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Justnum is himself.

J
 
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jay helfert said:
You have a myopic view of the world billiard scene. I hate to tell you this alarming news, but the USA is not the whole world. The U.S. Open has already been shown to a worldwide television audience. Sorry if you missed the notice. And the $180,000 that was paid in 2010 makes it the most significant single event in the American pool scene. It's actually far more than the 14% that SJM stated in an earlier post.

Plus it is the most important single event in determining who plays on the Mosconi Cup team! That is potentially a $15,000 payday, times five equals another $75,000! HELLO! Now we're talking over $250,000 in total money as a direct result of this one event. If you think this is meaningless to the pro pool players, you just aren't paying attention or are really clueless.

Bottom line, professional pool without the U.S. Open would suffer a huge loss. Spin it any way you want, but it all adds up to the same thing. The players need the Open more than Barry needs them. As far as your argument that players can't play in other tournaments because of slow pay by Barry at the Open. I say HOGWASH! This is also not worth debating, but somehow too obvious for your feeble mind to grasp.

And finally suggesting Barry employ the services of a loan shark, LAUGHABLE! Like I said, come up with something that remotely makes sense and then proceed. So far you have struck out twice.

There is one solution though. The players can show up and play, and accept the free entries plus the 50K in added money, and say thank you to Barry on their way out. Or they can stay home and pine for better horizons.
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The actions of the ABP players are louder than words. Instead of dealing with more of the same old promises they are going to boycott the US Open.

The last thing I want to see happen is the US Open stop running because the players didn't turnout.

A way to prevent that scenario is to find a solution that addresses the concerns of the ABP players and works with the way Barry does business. A middle manager or loan shark does that. Barry can slow pay the loan shark and the ABP players can cash out from the event as it ends.


The idea you suggested doesn't address the concerns of the ABP players. The main fault in your proposed solution is it doesn't address the concerns of the ABP players and why they are boycotting Barry's open.
 
After wading through this thread and based on some of the posts even from the well respected members of board, the sentiment is odd and sad. It is as if players, spectators and hanger-ons should assume/accept that payment for US Open winning might be late because it is better than nothing.
 
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justnum said:
The situation I intend to illustrate is that what the ABP players are doing can put Barry out of business.

I don't want Barry to feel like because the ABP players didn't attend his event on purpose he went bankrupt. Barry is entirely in control of the situation, he can still negotiate terms like a middle manager or the escrow account to keep the ABP players interested.

Some people that have been through bankruptcy want to blame everyone but themselves after the company goes bust. Barry can avoid that feeling if he just takes action now. Instead of "tough it out" and see what happens without them. It is Barry's event and what he does is up to him.

Just like how the ABP players can decide what to do with their time and which events they attend.
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This is not going to put Barry out of business. QMasters is his primary and even if the Open is a flop this year it will not hurt QMasters. You don't seem to get the fact that Barry has been coming out of pocket already for the Open. If he doesn't have a full field it will actually save him money since the added monies is based on a FULL field.
 
Hey justnum...Got any gamble in you? Why don't you put up (or shut up)...you take the ABP members boycotting the event. There are lots of us here who will take the other end...that at least several of the members listed on the 'boycott' list will show up and play. I'm in...how about you? Just think...if you won, you could donate all your 'winnings' to the ABP, to help them collectively "weather the loss" of the 2011 US Open 'income'! LOL

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

justnum said:
The actions of the ABP players are louder than words. Instead of dealing with more of the same old promises they are going to boycott the US Open.
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justnum said:
So it is a win-win. Barry wins because he might actually profit without a full field.

And the ABP players don't have to deal with the drama.

I've been saying this could be the end of a relationship between the ABP and Barry. Your thoughts make it more realistic because neither party has anything substantial to lose. The players already decided they can do without the event. And you are saying Barry can do well without the ABP players. So its a win-win situation.

Why force a relationship that isn't working? It isn't worth it for both parties.
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If the ABP keeps wanting the tail to wag the dog this will be the first of many relationship problems with promoters until they fall apart.

This is a road that has been well traveled before and it never ends up well for the players.
 
I've got a picture in my mind of a gang of college kids overturning cars and setting them on fire. In this case a gang wants to overturn the U.S. Open and set it on fire. To what end? :(
Just one fans opinion.
 
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