Women and pool

fxskater said:
I'll say the same thing i always say. This apply's directly too pool but i use golf cause they have well established tours.

If the woman wanna play in the PGA, Let the Men into the LPGA. That shit with Annika playing pisses me off. Its not about equality, if it was men would be invited to the LPGA tour. I believe men and woman should/are equal, but when does this gender rollercoster stop? If you want true equality you are making yourselves look bad, you just want a taste of what the men have.
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Ok, I can argee with that, somewhat. However, you name one guy...just one that is willing to start the battle to play on the women's tour.

I'll give you an example: I was with my brother this past weekend. We were driving by an all women's college. I said that if he went there he could probably get alot of chicks, lmao. I was kinding around and said I would help fight for him, because the college shouldn't be sexist and discriminate against him because he is male. He turned the conversation around to the girl that fought (and won) to attened VMI. He said something about how she quit because she couldn't hack it and that the courts should have made her stay for a year since she raised such a fuss about it. IMO, at least women are able to fight for what they want, no matter the name calling, belittlement, or outcome. But I am willing to bet that no guy will fight to be on any women's tour, because of the names he may be called by his buddies. I mean really, look at the male nurses...the still get slided because they aren't doctors. JMHO.

I will support you all the way Fxskater...let me know how I can help you play on any women's tour. I'll sign and picket where ever you want.
 
landshark77 said:
Ok, I can argee with that, somewhat. However, you name one guy...just one that is willing to start the battle to play on the women's tour.

I'll give you an example: I was with my brother this past weekend. We were driving by an all women's college. I said that if he went there he could probably get alot of chicks, lmao. I was kinding around and said I would help fight for him, because the college shouldn't be sexist and discriminate against him because he is male. He turned the conversation around to the girl that fought (and won) to attened VMI. He said something about how she quit because she couldn't hack it and that the courts should have made her stay for a year since she raised such a fuss about it. IMO, at least women are able to fight for what they want, no matter the name calling, belittlement, or outcome. But I am willing to bet that no guy will fight to be on any women's tour, because of the names he may be called by his buddies. I mean really, look at the male nurses...the still get slided because they aren't doctors. JMHO.

I will support you all the way Fxskater...let me know how I can help you play on any women's tour. I'll sign and picket where ever you want.
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Name one guy? Okay, Brian Kontak. He fought a battle to play on the LPGA tour and lost. You were right though, he took a beating in the press.

Here's a clip from the guardian about it:
Brian Kontak, a 31-year-old journeyman from Arizona, announced last month he wanted to play in this year's US Women's Open, despite a long-standing rule that states that entry to the event is open only 'to professional and amateur golfers who were females at birth'. Kontak has hired a lawyer, who is putting together a case arguing that his client is being denied his constitutional right to work. 'I'm not trying to to impress anyone. I'm doing what I feel the need to do,' Kontak says. 'My whole deal is equality. If we're going to be equal, then let's all be equal.' There are generations of female professional golfers, denied equal prize money, equal access and equal status down the years, who would raise a glass to that. But only if there isn't a sign on the clubhouse door that says women aren't allowed in the bar.
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Cheers,
Regas
 
sixpack said:
Name one guy? Okay, Brian Kontak. He fought a battle to play on the LPGA tour and lost. You were right though, he took a beating in the press.

Here's a clip from the guardian about it:


Cheers,
Regas
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Thanx Regas. I didn't know that.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
You know, what bothers me about some of these statements is that it detracts from the progress women have made, not just in pool but in society. Simply put, historically women have not been treated as equals. Even today, when you view the women who demonstrate male-type characteristics in competitive situations, they're demonized as being masculine or if they have attractive feminine attributes, bitches.
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The deep end for sure. The majority does not stop women from competing with men. Anyone can enter any pool competition, with the exception of men playing in some womens tournaments. There is no problem here and only some facts were stated such as speed of breaks. No one is stopping women from playing. They are doing a fantastic job with their tour which is a great complement. They are welcome in the tours played frequently by men, however more often than not they choose not to. This is their choice, not some equal rights ammendment crap - you are turning this into discrimination. Does not exist.
 
Women can play!

landshark77 said:
Thanx Regas. I didn't know that.
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:cool:

It is probably not a good thing to be that much of a golf addict!

Going back to the original theme of this thread though, I thought I posted this yesterday, but here goes again.

I think women can compete with men. Once I went to an open tournament in Nebraska. They didn't have enough women for the women's event, so one woman elected to play in the mens event. Most of you have never heard of her, she definitely was NOT on the WPBA and never played in a WPBA event that I know of.

Anyway, I drew her first round and she beat me, by breaking and running out SEVERAL racks. I don't think she made an unforced error. I don't think I saw more than one clean shot the entire match. Another player was giving me grief by getting beat by a girl, conversation went something like this:
me: "She played great, she outplayed me and she won. I don't know what else to tell you."
him: "I know what you mean, it's hard to play a girl, you play easy and then you get distracted looking at them."
me: "No, that wasn't it, she played great."
him: "oh, okay, whatever you say."

Anyway, to make a long story short, she cruises through a tough tournament field with several pros and lots of shortstops and plays Bill Meacham for the hot seat and loses on hill-hill. IIRC she got to the hill first. Then She plays Danny Medina to get back to the finals and takes him to the hill before losing.

After the tournament, the player that was giving me grief, a pro, said to me, "I see what you mean, that chick plays GREAT."

She was within 2 games of winning the tournament...and nobody ever heard of her. I don't think she plays as good on 9' tables as most WPBA players, but on a barbox I wouldn't bet against her against any of them.

Regas
 
I'm going to answer the question that started the thread this way:

I walked into the pool room the other day and there were 4 WOMEN playing partners gin ($25 a woman) at one table, there was a 6 handed russian rummy game ($20/10) with all WOMEN, on the 6x12, 5 WOMEN were playing golf ($10/1), three WOMEN were playing captains one-pocket at $10 a woman, 2 WOMEN were playing $25 a game one-pocket and there were 2 WOMEN playing cheap 9-ball in the back (races to 9 for $25).

I stopped to talk to one of the husbands that was sitting up front reading the paper waiting for his wife to finish gambling and he told me he couldn't understand why she did this instead of being home with him!





There's always going to be exceptions but when the pool room becomes like the above, then it will be equal.



As far as the comments that the women have a better tournament tour:

They have about 8 events each year for kinda decent money, that....don't forget....they work very, very hard to get....because they LOSE tournament sponsers every year because there's no return on the investment for the sponser. The interest for the gate and return on the money for the sponser just isn't there. If they didn't have the solidarity and weren't as organized as well as they are, they wouldn't have anything. If there WAS the interest, they would have at LEAST double what they have now and not be LOSING tournament sponsers for as long as they've been at it (25 years?).

Even with no real mens tour there are far, far, far more events for more money. You can play just about every week-end in addition to all the big events that are out there for the guys.

You reap what you sow and hard work doesn't always pay off.
 
Gremlin, you are right, I don't have to prove anything to anyone but myself. If you think I don't dedicate my time to pool because of this forum...you are nuts. I guess you think I should just lock myself in a pool room and do drills day and night. I learn from this forum as well. I don't know everything there is to know about this game. I also get a chance to make alot of new friends. I should at least be able to enjoy a couple things in my life and right now those things would be pool and meeting new people. I'm sorry my schedule of eating, sleeping, breathing pool doesn't suit you. You haven't minded the pool information that you have received from me in the past.

As for women being allowed to play with the men, that is not totally true. The WPBA is putting a stop to that. I hate that fact. Believe me, if I had the money to get to every mens tournament in the world I would be there. I would be a better player by getting to play all of the top men in the world. The chance for me and the other pro women to play against the men at the DCC was taken away. And it has already been brought up so many times about how Jeanette did well and I did well there. That should have been incentive for the WPBA and other women to play in that tournament. Myself and some others are working for that to change. I know that I don't play at the same level as the men, but perhaps if I had more of a chance to do so, I would be able to reach that level from what I learn from them.

Take care,
Sarah
 
sarahrousey said:
Gremlin, you are right, I don't have to prove anything to anyone but myself...I should at least be able to enjoy a couple things in my life and right now those things would be pool and meeting new people....
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Sarah, I have noticed that on pool-related forums, some people (not all) are just result pickers. :rolleyes:

As long as YOU are comfortable with your game and its progression AND are having a good time along the way, to hell with what anybody else thinks. It is what YOU think that matters, my friend! :)

JAM
 
Gremlin said:
Hello,

.... Typing paragraph after
paragraph of text in this forum is a waste of your time. The time you can be using to bring your level of play even with the best players. That's the way I see it.
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The way I figure it Sarah maybe spends an hour or so a day at most on this forum. Don't you think Allison Fischer, your precious Kelly Fischer, Johnny Archer, Corey Duell, etc. spend an hour or two or six a day doing something other than practicing pool. Time spent practicing anything has diminishing returns after a certain point at which time you must do something else. I have no idea if Sarah spends adequate time practicing pool, but the piddling amount of time she spends on this forum isn't isn't keeping her from it.

Besides it is none of your damn business what she does with her time.
 
fxskater said:
I'll say the same thing i always say. This apply's directly too pool but i use golf cause they have well established tours.

If the woman wanna play in the PGA, Let the Men into the LPGA. That shit with Annika playing pisses me off. Its not about equality, if it was men would be invited to the LPGA tour. I believe men and woman should/are equal, but when does this gender rollercoster stop? If you want true equality you are making yourselves look bad, you just want a taste of what the men have.
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Well here's something to start your day off with a bang and torque you off even further (me too)...Michelle Wie accepted a sponsor's exemption in the John Deere Classic, the second time this year the 15-year old little twit from Hawaii will play on the PGA Tour. The John Deere Classic is played at the TPC at Deere Run in Silvis, ILL., and will be July 7-10.
That means one less spot available for a regular PGA player that's been working his tail off since childhood to make the big show to feed his family.

The LPGA By-Laws specifically say...."NO F*#KING MEN ALLOWED", yet....that scum of the earth loud mouthed self-promoting POS feminist Martha Burk doesn't understand that the same thing applies when a private golf club like Augusta, and others, say...."NO WOMEN" or "NOBODY THAT WE DON'T WANT AROUND HERE". Hey...Donald Trump and Bill Gates can't even BUY their way into Augusta. The members there don't want them at the club and won't let them join...so it's not just women.
 
drivermaker said:
Well here's something to start your day off with a bang and torque you off even further (me too)...Michelle Wie accepted a sponsor's exemption in the John Deere Classic, the second time this year the 15-year old little twit from Hawaii will play on the PGA Tour. The John Deere Classic is played at the TPC at Deere Run in Silvis, ILL., and will be July 7-10. That means one less spot available for a regular PGA player that's been working his tail off since childhood to make the big show to feed his family.
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Driver, I don't disagree with you often, but I don't agree with you here.

In golf, the sponsor's exemption is virtually always given to somebody who doesn't qualify to compete on merit, whether it be a local but accomplished player, a former star of the game, or anyone else, who, in the judgment of the sponsor, will make the event better and/or more marketable. Giving the sponsor control over a spot, as you note, is at odds with objective allocation of that tournament spot, but it does provide extra incentive for sponsors to fund events.

Guess what I'm saying is that your problem seems to be with the existence of the sponsor's exemption spot in the first place. Once you accept its existence, how it is used is entirely up to the sponsor. I suspect any event sponsor would consider Michelle Wie, because she is exciting to watch, and helps draw attention to their event, improving the financial prospects for the event.

Count me among those that believe that the sponsor's exemption has brought more money into golf by allowing event sponsors a chance to include certain highly marketable professionals in their fields not exempt in to their event. The real beneficiary of this practice is the pro who has worked his whole life to get a chance to play on tour, and has a bigger pot of gold to chase than any golfer before him.
 
sjm said:
Driver, I don't disagree with you often, but I don't agree with you here.

In golf, the sponsor's exemption is virtually always given to somebody who doesn't qualify to compete on merit, whether it be a local but accomplished player, a former star of the game, or anyone else, who, in the judgment of the sponsor, will make the event better and/or more marketable. Giving the sponsor control over a spot, as you note, is at odds with objective allocation of that tournament spot, but it does provide extra incentive for sponsors to fund events.

Guess what I'm saying is that your problem seems to be with the existence of the sponsor's exemption spot in the first place. Once you accept its existence, how it is used is entirely up to the sponsor. I suspect any event sponsor would consider Michelle Wie, because she is exciting to watch, and helps draw attention to their event, improving the financial prospects for the event.

Count me among those that believe that the sponsor's exemption has brought more money into golf by allowing event sponsors a chance to include certain highly marketable professionals in their fields not exempt in to their event. The real beneficiary of this practice is the pro who has worked his whole life to get a chance to play on tour, and has a bigger pot of gold to chase than any golfer before him.
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That is another way of looking at it and you make a good point. However, I think if you were to poll PGA members themselves, the vote wouldn't be 100% against her playing there and a number of them would see it as you presented it, but the majority vote would be for her NOT to play and give it to a deserving PGA member that qualifies. If you recall, there was somewhat of a firestorm at the event in Texas when Annika played for the first time and Vijay spoke out against it and then pulled out of the tournament. A number of other players felt exactly the same way and openly stated it before and after the fact.
I've posted before and I'll post it again, ANYTIME you have the sexes pitted against each other it boosts the ratings and is good for TV and the money makers behind it. Is it fair to others and the pro's in the game itself? I guess it depends on who you talk to...but I'd even watch Joey Buttafucco go at it again with some chick...maybe Tanya Harding this time.
 
drivermaker said:
I guess it depends on who you talk to...but I'd even watch Joey Buttafucco go at it again with some chick...maybe Tanya Harding this time.
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Would Tanya get to use the pipe she (her boyfriend/bodyguard) used on Nancy?! That would be pretty interesting...lol.
 
drivermaker said:
Only if Joey had the pistol handy that was used to pop his wife......
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Okay, he gets the pistol, sans bullets of course, and she gets a steel pipe. Sounds like someone needs to get to work on setting this up...lol.
 
Rackin_Zack said:
Okay, he gets the pistol, sans bullets of course, and she gets a steel pipe. Sounds like someone needs to get to work on setting this up...lol.
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We might even be able to make it more appealing....how about bringing in Lorena Bobbit as Tanya's tag team partner, with knife. :eek:
 
drivermaker said:
We might even be able to make it more appealing....how about bringing in Lorena Bobbit as Tanya's tag team partner, with knife. :eek:
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Great idea, although she's only allowed to use the knife on his genitals...lol.
 
pete lafond said:
The deep end for sure. The majority does not stop women from competing with men. Anyone can enter any pool competition, with the exception of men playing in some womens tournaments. There is no problem here and only some facts were stated such as speed of breaks. No one is stopping women from playing. They are doing a fantastic job with their tour which is a great complement. They are welcome in the tours played frequently by men, however more often than not they choose not to. This is their choice, not some equal rights ammendment crap - you are turning this into discrimination. Does not exist.
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Really, your post is monumental. I'd save it to my harddrive but I really don't think my computer deserves such punishment.
 
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