Here's a post from a week ago showing how the women did against the men: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2668187&postcount=14
Women at this year's U.S. Open...surprised.
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Here's a post from a week ago showing how the women did against the men: http://forums.azbilliards.com/showpost.php?p=2668187&postcount=14
If women continue to attend the event they bring in more fans and more players. The tournament should respond and place noise barriers between seating area and playing area. And maintain a temperature that is acceptable by players.
Communication between male players and tournament staff hardly existed. The female players can usher in some new traditions at the mens US open. Traditions that respect players more, like separate a entrance for players, manage fan traffic away from tables and sound barriers to reduce noise from rude fans.
Communication between male players and tournament staff hardly existed. The female players can usher in some new traditions at the mens US open. Traditions that respect players more, like separate a entrance for players, manage fan traffic away from tables and sound barriers to reduce noise from rude fans.
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It's really quite simple folks. There is room for the Boy Scouts, for the Girl Scouts, a jamboree for each as well as a co-ed jamboree for both. Geezsh 
Barry Berman made the decision. It's his tournament, his right. Now people either criticize him for not doing it sooner, criticize him now for doing it at all, or want to name him a saint.
Barry Berman made the decision. It's his tournament, his right. Now people either criticize him for not doing it sooner, criticize him now for doing it at all, or want to name him a saint.
I am not saying this to take anything away from the talent of women basketball players, but you do realize that they play with a smaller ball than the men, thus they should be expected to shoot higher percentages. I am not aware of what the actual comparison in percentages is.
I understand and agree with what you are saying. Now for arguments sake while we are replacing words, could you replace the word woman with African American just to see what it sounds like.
Now that's ridiculous! There's a big difference between gender differences and racial ones. It's like the proverbial "apples & oranges"!
So what you're saying is one form of prejudice is different from another?
The WPBA wouldnt let them play? Thats crazy and sexist. Is this true? I agree that it goes both ways. I dont understand why an association that is pro pool would have rules against their members playing pool in other events! This may offend but I dont care. Lets look at the WPBA as the special olympics and the US open as the olympics. You dont see anyone trying to stop the special olympics but if you had an athlete that was in the special olympics and got good enough to compete in the olympics, would you not allow that person to play?
Why? Let me give you some examples:
Sammy shoots good for a girl
Sammy shoots good for a black person
Hey can someone pass me the ladies aid
Hey can someone pass me the black persons aid
He sure broke that like a girl
He sure broke that like a black person
He shoots so bad a girl could beat him
He shoots so bad a black person could beat him
Its the same in principal and its just as offensive. If anyone is ever unsure if they are sounding awful, just switch these words.
I'm not sure what you are trying to point out here other than confirming that your argument was a double standard.
I played a lot of Basketball growing up and even some Div. 1 ball at Drexel under Bruiser Flint so....
Without a doubt on any team I've ever been on if you let the girls team shoot ten free throws a player and then let the guys shoot ten free throws a player and then measure the percentage it won't be that close in the vast majority of cases. The same goes for three pointers, I can give two shits about the size of the ball cause that has just about nothing to do with it, let some guys with huge hands shoot with the ladies rock and see how they do if you think that's justification. How would the girls do shooting turn around fade aways over 6 foot 9 men, probably not too good but wide open Sue Bird or Diana Taurasi would make it rain on your ass!
Masayoshi, Im sorry but I think you are making assumptions about what my argument is. Im not saying that I think Women should have their own leagues or events. Its about pool players. Not women pool players or men pool players or black pool players or short pool players. It goes both ways. I think these events should be regulated by skill level.
I hope it comes down to you and I for the title! I'll trade you 1/2s!
So then there should be no Open events?
And they are already divided by skill, somewhat. Men play better than women.
My feeling is that players should always be able to play an event that pits them against tougher opponents, never to a weaker class.
Men should not play women's events; women can play men's events.
It is OK, I'm a Libra.
I was anxious to see how the women would play against the men, but when I arrived late Tuesday evening the only female player I got to see was Jennifer Baretta early Wednesday morning. I was very impressed watching Jennifer play, but she was playing a young man from England who must have played the match of his life because Jennifer didn't get many chances at the table. Most of her turns were kicks or safeties. She did run a couple of racks, but her opponent didn't miss many balls and he played a lot of good defense. I enjoyed seeing her play and I hope that she comes back next year......
James
I am well aware that I "can do whatever I want".
My point to you is that you seem to have a huge gripe with sexist, or gender-based issues, specifically related to pool.
We all acknowledge that the U.S. Open has not allowed women to compete since its inception 35 years ago.
Was that right? Perhaps not.
Does it offend you? Clearly it does.
Do you want women to be able to compete in this particular tournament? Yes you do.
So, where are we now?
The past is just that, and we seem to be making progress regarding the inclusion of ladies.
Why complain about the past 35 years? Seems unproductive to me.
If you have an issue with how the tournament will be run going forward now that the ladies are allowed to compete I can see your legitimate beef, but your griping about sexism, and snide remarks about "big-strong men" etc., only serve to display to the forum that you have some kind of deep-seated resentment toward men, or maybe you are hyper-sensitive toward all gender-based issues, both of which have nothing to do with my thread.
Of course I could be wrong, it has been known to happen...
And yes, I know you can do and say what you want too.
I just hope this thread does not turn into a gender-bashing hate-fest because you won't let go of the past.
Not trying to get involved in this never ending discussion, but the above 2 quotes are an underlying cause of a lot of problems and a fallacious argument used quite often.
Pointing out differences is not prejudice. Judging people for those differences may be, but acknowledging them is not prejudice. I have brown hair, some people have blond. I have white skin, some people have black. These are physical, describable, undeniable differences. Men are different than women. White people are different than black people. Neither is better or worse than the other, but we are all different. People who try to act like we are "all the same" take away from the characteristics that make us unique. We are not, and never will be, all the same. Equal, yes. The same, no.
Lots of people jump immediately to prejudice when you describe the differences in people. Rather than try to act like we are all the same, we should acknowledge and embrace that we are all different. Thank god we are, this world would be a boring place if we were all the same.
Just a thought....
OK, We'll get Barry and Brady Behrman to hand-write an apology to you on perfume-scented stationery, describing in great detail what chauvinistic sexist pigs they have been and how they will never, ever do it again.
I had a woman tell me a long time ago that for some of them, a man needs to apologize often, and not just once, for the same infraction!
Sounds like you're one of those people.
Sounds like you want them (Barry and Brady, and now Shannon) to hire a skywriting team stating, "We were sexist for 35 years. Sorry Dorabelle!"
Have a good weekend, will you?
I agree.....