I've already seen it at the IPT tournaments and elsewhere.
Then you saw Loree Jon Jones put a five pack on Thorsten Hohmann at the IPT and beat him? And you saw Gerda beat Earl? And you saw Kelly lose 8:7 against Dennis Orcullo? Dennis told Kelly afterward that she played very strong and that he was lucky to win.
Elsewhere? Where would that be? How about the Joss Tour? Karen Corr consistently finishes high on that tour and has won two of them. Once over former world champion Jim Rempe and once over, hold your breath World and US Open champion Mika Immonen. That's WON the event, not won a set or two. She double dipped Rempe IIRC.
The only Southeast Tour stop that Allison Fisher played in she beat former US OPEN winner Tommy Kennedy in the finals.
What other major events have the women played in alongside the men?
Derby City? How high has Jeannette finished there? In any event she proved she can hang when she won the Louie Roberts for 2010. We all watched her put some solid pool together that week.
Aside from actual tournament evidence, one can look at TPA numbers. If you do an honest job at figuring WPBA player's TPA, they're not as good as the men. The women make more positional errors, more misses etc. This translates to less run outs, less wins. Their B&R percentage is lower. So forth and so on.
Um yeah of course in general "the men" are going to play at a higher level than "the women". It's simple math as there are far more more men playing than women. More men, more competition, higher level on average.
There really is no debate, the facts are facts and the evidence is all there, I'm just having fun myth busting these dreamers who think their favorite female player can be a force in a serious men's tournament.
Ask Mika if he thinks Karen Corr is a pushover in the finals. Ask Tommy Kennedy if Allison is easy to beat. I guess the World Straight Pool Championships where Jasmin Ouschan got 3rd place wasnt a serious "men's" tournament?
I mean if you are all about the evidence then the real evidence is that women can make it to finals against tough fields and they can win in the finals against tough players.
Is it LIKELY that a woman will win the US Open any time soon? Probably not but not for the reason that they don't (at least not the top female players) possess the ability to do so. They have the skills but what they don't have is the seasoning against top competition like the men do.
The top women are in fact middle of the pack players among professional caliber players worldwide. They share the same level as MOST professional players. Not everyone can be a SVB or Johnny Archer. But at least they NOW have a chance to compete against the same field that SVB gets to and Johnny Archer gets to.
Look, there's nothing wrong with being a fan of women's pro pool. I'm not trying to hurt anyone's feelings. I think they play fine. They really do. But let's not get carried away.
I'm here to provide a reality check.
Who is getting carried away? Only you are putting negativity out there over this. I didn't see anyone in Jay's thread claiming that the women were going to dominate the event.
You come on here and make claims that aren't true as the evidence shows that women have in fact won tournaments against "the men". And the more that women play the more sets they seem to winning against "the men". Could it be that being ALLOWED to play against the men helps them to elevate their own game?
Something about if you want to be the best you have to play the best? Well if the girls are told they can only play each other and they aren't allowed to play "the men" who are considered "the best" then why would they ever get any better?
Look Bolo, there will plenty of action for you to bet on. Since you think that the women have no shot then bet it? Show us where your heart is and come up with odds that prove your conviction.
Make a line on what the women will do at the US Open and bet it.
Come up with some odds against performing well that cause me to get my nose open. You say the stats are there proving that the women have no shot? Ok I believe you, bet it then. I will take the astronomical, lottery sized odds that you should be prepared to offer.
Here I will throw one line out there - 100-1 that a woman makes the top ten this year. 1000 to 1 that a woman wins the US Open this year. 500 to one that a woman makes the top five.
100 to one that a woman beats a former US Open champion sometime during the tournament contingent on women actually having matches against former US Open winners.
I will bet $100 on each of these lines. The odds against any of these things, with the exception of beating a former US Open champion have to be much much higher than what I am offering. So I will take the sucker side of it and bet it. Do we have a bet? Anyone?
