Working full time and playing pool at your highest level,is it possiable?

I think not,but i would like to know all of azers opinions and why,i would say for the pool player that is working,he just isnt able to stay as sharp as to oppose to the non working player,because of time able to be spent in the pool room!

The only way the brain can fully 100% focus, say for a pool match, is to have a free mind with no regret what so every to what goes outside the pool room. I will tell a story i witnessed 20 years ago, a guy was playing house man one pocket, $100 a game, he won three games after four hours; then his wife started calling, several times, you can imagine the cus words used; at the end, he lost $1000.00 to house man.

I agree having table at home helps a lot and will get you to a pro shooting skill, but you will need the road experience to be one.
 
I think age is a factor too. It's easier to become really good at something when you learn it, and learn it right, as a kid. It's like language - when you emigrate to another country at age 10 you'll eventually speak the language without an accent. Emigrate at age 18 and you'll always have an accent. Most of the really good players I know basically grew up in pool halls and had mentors at an early age. Adults who've been playing casually for a long time have to unlearn a lot of bad habits, and those die hard. I don't know if there are any pros who didn't start playing seriously when they were young but I imagine they are few, if any.
 
99.99% of us could play all day, every day, and still get nowhere near pro level. We all have our level.


How about luck! but pro players loose to weak pro players; look at Brandon Shuff young guy, started beating on Strickland, Efren..etc

Like to add to your statement "get nowhere near pro level "unless they pick up the right skill, the secrets, and practice correctly"
 
I think age is a factor too. It's easier to become really good at something when you learn it, and learn it right, as a kid. It's like language - when you emigrate to another country at age 10 you'll eventually speak the language without an accent. Emigrate at age 18 and you'll always have an accent. Most of the really good players I know basically grew up in pool halls and had mentors at an early age. Adults who've been playing casually for a long time have to unlearn a lot of bad habits, and those die hard. I don't know if there are any pros who didn't start playing seriously when they were young but I imagine they are few, if any.

I like your language analogy.
 
I still think it can be done, but it really depends on where you live and what sort of family obligations you have.

If you are in a pool hot bed, where there are a lot of tournaments and matching up is fairly easy then I think you could work 40 hours a week and still play your best pool. I actually think for some guys, having a 40 hour a week job could actually help their pool games by forcing them to stop wasting so much time. A sort of less is more approach.

I don't really believe that guys that hang out in the pool room for 16 hours a day are really putting in 16 hours of quality time on the pool table. It's really not possible except in short bursts. Plus if most of these guys are spending most of their time matching up, you can chop that time down to 8 hours - of actual table time. (Not that the matching up part isn't worthwhile)

I think the best scenario for a full time player is something like 2-3 hours of quality practice, followed by 4-6 hours of competition a day. That's tough for a part timer to keep up with but I think they could. You would have to have the discipline to out practice them. You would have to put in say 4-5 hours of practice a day after work. Or split it up, a few hours before work and few hours after. Then you would have to play as many tourneys on the weekends as you could and matchup during the week as well. It would definitely be a grind, but if you had minimum family obligations to deal with and a burning passion for the game I think you could make this work. Also, if you enjoyed having a roof over your head this would be a good way to go.

As far as the top pros are concerned, I think a lot of them could work at least part time and maintain their form. I would be pretty surprised to hear that most top pros (SVB excluded) put in more that 4 hours a day on the table. That is, when they are not in a tourney or able to find a match. I think once these guys reach the top, 3-4 hours of quality time a day could keep them in top form. That’s leaves an awful lot of hours left in the day for other things.
 
At a HIGH level... it is possible. At your HIGHEST level... less likely. Not to discourage any one from trying but I am a firm believer that for you to perform at your best potential, in anything, it must receive your full attention.

For about a year and a half, Charlie went to work with a friend of ours. Full time job = part time pool. His game suffered a little and until we started working on these videos, he actually considered retiring completely. No TRUE greatness can be achieved in this sport if you don't have time to play.
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I managed to play at a very high level and I still worked full time.

It depends on what type of job you have.

I also had a wife and children to boot.

To be the best you can be at anything, you need to be very dedicated. Probably, selfish is a better word. Especially, a pool player.

I was asked many times , "Why don't you quit your job and play on The Pro Tour."

I answered the question the same way, every time. I said, "There's two things in life that are hard to overcome, greed and stupidity. Then I said, "The people with all the say in the game are perfect examples of it."

"If anyone out there is torn between being the best they can be and working for a living. I strongly suggest you keep your job. I'm thrilled, I did"


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I was asked many times , "Why don't you quit your job and play on The Pro Tour."

I answered the question the same way, every time. I said, "There's two things in life that are hard to overcome, greed and stupidity. Then I said, "The people with all the say in the game are perfect examples of it."

"If anyone out there is torn between being the best they can be and working for a living. I strongly suggest you keep your job. I'm thrilled, I did"

Though I'm as aware of the odds against the pro pool player of the modern era as anyone, this post, which has some merit, bothers me.

The truth is that, for centuries, countless people, covering virtually every level of education and means, have taken a chance on many a not-very-remunerative pursuit due to love of that pursuit and belief in its future as well as their own personal prospects as part of that future.

The generalization that those having all the say in pool are examples of greed and stupidity is not, in my view, reasonable. Pool professionals and pool entrepreneurs are similarly governed and constrained by the fact that the world of pro pool is one of very scarce resources in which all participants must play hardball to get what they believe to be their fair share of the revenues generated. On both sides, one can find some who are motivated by greed and/or stupidity, but one can just as easily find many who are motivated by love of pro pool and belief in its future.

Certainly, your advice is well considered, for there is, with rare exception, greater security, both personally and professionally, in having a full-time job, and the vast majority of serious players learn this relatively early in their pool lives. Nonetheless, those who dare to dream of a brighter future for pool and are fully invested in its future are not to be automatically deemed stupid or greedy. At worst, they might be deemed to be clinging to a possibly, but not necessarily, impractical dream, but the world has come to admire, rather than mock, Don Quixote for having that exact same quality. Perhaps their dream will, one day, be realized.

My fingers are crossed.
 
I spend alot of time working and at the gym. I still find time to practice though. I don't know if I play at my full potential but I know this- If any american besides Shane wants some even 10ball action down here I'm ready to play some. Giving away free money.
 
I sort of have a unique perspective, coming from a woman player with various roles in pool.

I learned how to play by myself, without a mentor, in college and probably learned some bad habits along the way. I didn't know there was a professional women's organization back then. After I graduated, I became an X-Ray technologist - long days running around wearing lead aprons, on call, etc. Spent long years just playing 8 ball and leagues.

I found work at a clinic in Seattle and slowly started playing 9 ball after league night. By then, I had 2 small children. I played in my first pro tournament in Seattle. I was the first qualifier from Seattle to win my spot, out of 14 spots. Got divorced and was raising my kids at ages 3 and 9 during the week, while the ex took them on weekends, which let me play in tournaments. That meant that I was doing homework with the kids when I got home from work - after fixing them dinner, playtime, baths, storytime, not to mention planning parties and outings for them, driving them to sports and school events, and taking them to go-sees because they both modeled. I played in 1 or 2 leagues per week. This also meant that I would come into the weekend tournaments stone cold (and still do). I can't tell you how many tournaments I have won by losing the first matches, either on Saturday or Sunday.

I was house pro at Jillian's in Seattle, but gave it up to spend more time with my kids because they needed me at home. I was a single mom trying to do it all. There was tremendous guilt over leaving them to practice or go to league, even when they were teenagers. Met Mike Z and we got my first table at home. It ended up I was doing more laundry on it than playing on it. But Mike gave me more than just the 2 lessons I got from him, in that I was now hanging around some of the best players in the world when they came through Seattle - Efren, Luat, CJ Wiley, as well as the best players in the region - Monk, Bill Cress, JD, Tim Tweedell, Raul, etc., and I became one of 'the boys'.

I started the NW Women's Tour, called the ACW, because I believed we had a lot of talent in the NW and I wanted to promote women's pool, hopefully graduating players from amateur to semi-pro, then on to pro. This took more of my time because late into the night, I was writing articles, creating forms, negotiating contracts with room owners, getting door prizes, doing fund-raising, and keeping stats. I retired after 5 years when it just became a big headache (Liz Ford, Hsin Huang, Kyoke Sone, Joanne Ashton all started in the ACW) and I turned all my work over to another management team and they renamed it the NWPA.

So I would travel intermittently to WPBA events when I got invited or qualified. To start, I won qualifiers. I won spots in the WA State tournament, the Northern California tourney at Hard Times, and another in the Southern California tour - so 3 different regional tours, 3 spots. From there, I earned enough points to be invited.

Unfortunately, I never showed my real game in any of those pro tournaments. I never played as well as in the qualifiers. Sporadically, I would play well in a match or 2. Beat Loree Jon in the late 90's to finish 13th, which was my highest finish, but I was too awe-struck, worn out, scared and unpracticed to do well.

In those days, you had to finish in the top half 3x in one year to become pro. I was 'on the hill' (needing only 1 more finish in the top half) 3 times. I remember seeing Jeannie Seaver in the bathroom crying, because she was on the hill for the 2nd time and I had just put her out of the tournament. I knew how she felt. But she perservered and I didn't.

You had to have a sponsor and I got plenty of clothes and equipment sponsors, but very few that could put up the $500 entry, plus plane and hotel costs, with no guarantee of getting anything back. The highest I ever got was 37th ranking. I remember that because my whole goal was to at least make it into the program and they stopped with the top 36 back then. It killed me since I was only getting $300/month in child support from my ex-husband that hid his income under the table. So I didn't feel like I could take anything away from my children by 'wasting' it playing pool.

I do believe I was the only player that was not only almost the oldest player (Jeri Engh was older), but also the only one that had a full-time professional job outside of pool (I was cutting into people's feet, phlebotomizing- giving shots, catheterizing, etc., and then went into medical sales), while raising 2 young children alone.

As a parent, pool player, and employee, I always felt a lot of guilt. If I was with my kids, I couldn't practice or play in tournaments, and I also couldn't be working. If I was at work, I couldn't practice or be with my kids. And if I was playing pool, especially for tournaments, I would need someone to work double to cover my shifts, and I was also away from my kids.

It's a wonder I got anywhere. Nowadays, it's just a mellow routine of giving lessons 4x/week as house pro at Rack 'Em in Medford, OR, working at an awesome publishing job that I can create my own hours, and driving up to Seattle to see my grown kids (31 and 24) when I can. I run some weekend tournaments and a Friday night weekly tournament.

Last year, I did win the BCA Regional Grand Masters 8 ball Championships in Lincoln City in March and took 2nd in the Grand Masters in 9 ball in Nov. , (behind Liz Cole, an exempt pro player). Those formats were round robins, so I could settle in and get comfortable and just be consistent. This year, they changed it to a triple elimination which just freaked me out because it was like playing 3 first matches, lol! :eek: And the year before, Glenn Atwell and I took 2nd in BCA Nationals in Master Scotch Doubles. So I guess I still have a little something-something. ;)

I'm heading back to Seattle to play in the Western Regional Tour Championships at the beginning of May. Not expecting a whole lot since I'm never on big tables anymore, but I'm going to put in some time this week on them, and hopefully, I can at least place.

So, in answer to your question...NO!
 
I sort of have a unique perspective, coming from a woman player with various roles in pool.

So, in answer to your question...NO!

Wow, fabulous post, thanks for sharing your story!

Seems like you did a nice job of balancing family career and pool. :thumbup:

Sounds like your ex-husband missed out on a good thing.

Best of luck,
 
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So, in answer to your question...NO!

I think your experience and results line up with most ppl that have a job and other things that keep them from focusing 100% on Pool. Being a bit inconsistent is the common malady we all have, unfortunately.

Unless, of course, you are Donny Mills. That guy is a freak ;)


Eric
 
Yes to a Point!!!

No matter how good you get,no matter how many people you beat,
nobody has a finish line in pool cause you always have something
to learn.
I believe when someone says"this is as good as I'm gonna get"
is somebody that has lost their will to wanna learn anymore.
I have kids and work almost everyday and practice maybe 4 times a
month but I'm able to still finish within the top 10 of most of the events
I enter.I just finished 2nd in the 404 tour in there last event held in
Toronto,practicing 2 hours the day before the event.
Some people are naturals,which I don't think I am but when I'm at
home I keep my brain busy by thinking strategy's and visualizing
what I need to do before an event.
I strongly believe that if you keep your brain in tact,your arm will follow.
I don't think I'll ever hit my peak,cause I know there's something more
for me to learn.
 
Wow, fabulous post, thanks for sharing your story!

Seems like you did a nice job of balancing family career and pool. :thumbup:

Sounds like your ex-husband missed out on a good thing.

Best of luck,

Thank you, that was really sweet. Tried to rep you, but it wouldn't let me. :embarrassed2:

I'm not sure I did a good job balancing everything. I think I hit the B plus mark on everything, but never attained the highest in anything. That was also true for my endeavors in gymnastics and singing. :(
 
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