World Record Pool - 14.1

I'll Take The 'Over'

14.1 ?
That would be the odds on my making three balls in a row.
Doug
( it might even be 20.1 )


Where'd I put my cue ?

John, do you have anything a little easier for the cheeeeeeeeese ?


Edited to add: Like touching my feet ?







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pdcue said:
Well, I like the idea of promoting 14.1, but let's talk about the 'record'.

Mosconi did his playing a grueling schedule of ehibs. 6 days a week,
2 or sometimes three events a day. Often hours of driving between
venues. Played in rooms he had never been in before in his lifetime.
Grinding it out on the road for years, staying on the road for months
at a time.

Add to that the requirement that you are playing in a match,
with spectators present, AND you get at most 3 attemps per day.

Compare that to playing on the same table, in fixed surroundings,
setting up a breakshot of your choosing, and trying till you tire out.
THEN, you get to come back the next day and start all over.

Not even close to the same thing. Maybe if you run 10,000.

Dale
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Plus,Mosconi did it on a 4x8 table Big difference
 
I think keeping records for a certain table size is best. Pocket size should have a maximum size. This is a great idea John, especially when video'd on Youtube for many to see and enjoy and learn!

Curly
 
Blackjack said:
John

Last year I had a 200+ run on an 8 foot Brunswick Amherst table with big buckets - it was pretty ridiculous and silly because the loose equipment was not challenging at all. IMO, that run was a complete joke because the equipment aforded me too much of a margin for error. The equipment specifications will give the attempts at the record validity. Whether you think its important to the record or not, these specifications will actually attract the players that are seriously capable of accomplishing this feat. I believe that Bob Jewett would be able to give you much more insight than myself about equipment specs than anybody else, and I do believe that having equipment standards is the way to go, if you don't have these standards you will attract the FL types and this will become a joke.

Do a short search on the Straight Pool forum and you will see that equipment and table size have come up in the discussion of the record many times, and you will find people (like myself) that give more creedence to Engert's 492 on modern equipment and tough pockets, than any other run that is documented. These are just suggestions - I think this is a awesome project that you are putting together and it is WAY overdue for the players.
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Perhaps, but IF anyone documents a 527+ run on any equipment then they will hold the world record since there were no standards imposed on Mosconi's run and it stands as the official record.

Believe me, IF anyone does it then it won't be a joke no matter what table it's done on. But just to be fair, IF anyone breaks the record on a bar table then I will give $1000 to the very next person who gets within 50 balls of the new record on a bar table inside of 30 days after the record is verified by me. Since it's so easy then I guess that there will be lots of folks in line to pick up an easy $1000.

Personally I think it would be really cool to see what people post as high runs and the equipment they did it on. We might get some really meaningful data on the quirks that come up with different conditions.

If anyone wants to take over this project then I will happily pledge my $1000 towards their effort. Bob Jewett's straight pool high run tournament at DCC is a great thing and he kicks in $10,000 out of pocket for that. I would love to see someone wealthier than I pledge a greater amount to inspire people to participate.

Maybe the BCA could pledge some of it's surplus to donate some money to the fund and some marketing dollars. That might be a good way to PROMOTE pool ya' think?
 
3kushn said:
This sounds like the same kinda sentement we have for the Ruth record.

Don't worry. Without the massive promotion and Nation Wide exihibition schedule nobody but the pool people will have even a chance to hear about it. And Mosconi will always be there same as Ruth.
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Well this idea wasn't really intended to be a huge affair. It is intended to be a spark and hopefully inspire John and anyone else who wants to try.

I mean it would be really cool IF it did somehow catch on and in Boys and Girls clubs everywhere kids were trying to beat Mosocni's record but that's pretty pie in the sky given the current world we live in.
 
ironman said:
Plus,Mosconi did it on a 4x8 table Big difference
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And I believe that Willie only played on Brunswick equipment. I'd like to see someone give a serious shot at this record on a Diamond with pro-cut pockets.
 
Blackjack said:
And I believe that Willie only played on Brunswick equipment. I'd like to see someone give a serious shot at this record on a Diamond with pro-cut pockets.
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Now that, could take a while!!!
 
14.1 high run?

have u forgot about dick lane? only living human to run 150 and out in tourney in new york in the 70's. also i saw him run 513 at clicks billiards in dallas, 1982.? sparky webb
 
14.1 high run?

have u forgot about dick lane? only living human to run 150 and out in tourney in new york in the 70's. also i saw him run 513 at clicks billiards in dallas, 1982.? sparky webb
 
The only thing that sucks is that for as long as it would take to make those balls you may run out of Camcorder tape or memory space on the digital. You may have to have two cameras setup and switch them in the middle of a rack so they know nothing has been altered. Or get a 1233124593 GB memory disc. Maybe direct record to your computer that has more memory.
 
mark8950 said:
have u forgot about dick lane? only living human to run 150 and out in tourney in new york in the 70's. also i saw him run 513 at clicks billiards in dallas, 1982.? sparky webb
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I have never heard of Dick Lane running 513 balls. I'm not saying he isn't capable, I've just never seen that mentioned anywhere or documented. If he did, he must have been sick that he fell a rack short of the official record.
 
Theres definately a few players capable of breaking it. but i dont think they would dedicate the time nesseccery to break the record for $3000 might be wrong tho, think if the records gonna go its gonna happen randomly and wont be captured on tape! Hopefully Im wrong and it will be taped!

R114
 
Blackjack said:
... I'd like to see someone give a serious shot at this record on a Diamond with pro-cut pockets.
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I expect there will be about 20 top shooters who will try such a thing this January, with some chance that Accu-stats will be taping it.

As for John's original idea, if he wants the record to be official, he should check what's required by the current records keeping body.
 
IF the record if broken, that video will be worth gold. A smart man would try to get in on that action somehow. The $3k up front would be nice but I have a feeling someone could sell copies (like JS did with his DVD) and make far more.

The technical detail of how to record the entire event on one tape is easily overcome. As the tape dwindles down, the shooter would simply announce prior to a given shot that they will be changing tape directly after that shot and then do so. If this were done during a break shot, there would be some room for argument but if this occured mid-rack it would be less dubious.

EDIT: I'll go out on a limb and state that future records will not be set on a Diamond pro-cut.
 
mosconiac said:
The technical detail of how to record the entire event on one tape is easily overcome. As the tape dwindles down, the shooter would simply announce prior to a given shot that they will be changing tape directly after that shot and then do so. If this were done during a break shot, there would be some room for argument but if this occured mid-rack it would be less dubious.
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My Sony Camcorder has a 60gb hard drive and if plugged in to a power source will record probably 30 hours. I'm sure that there are many camcorders out there able to do that nowadays.
 
I'm a little confused about Mosconi's record to begin with. In Hustler Days by R.A. Dyer, I think Dyer says in a footnote that the record of 526 was set on a 4 x 8 foot table.

In The Hustler and The Champ, Dyer dedicates a chapter to this run. From a historical standpoint revealing precise details, the chapter is dissapointing. But dissapointment aside, Dyer says the original record holder was Ralph Greenleaf with 277 on a 5 x 10 foot table, this record was eventually broken by Irving Crane with 309 balls on presumably a 5 x 10 foot table(Dyer isn't very specific about the table sizes in The Hustler and The Champ, except for Greenleaf's 277 run on a 5 x 10, so I don't know if it safe assume Crane broke it on a 5 x 10.) I think Mosconi went on to tie this record, but again Dyer conveinantly leaves out the table size.

Assuming that Mosconi set the record of 526 on a 4 x 8 foot table, well I'm not nearly as impressed with that as Greenleaf running nearly 300 on a 5 x 10 foot table.

I think the record breaking should be attempted on a 5 x 10 table after the record challenger has consumed a quantity of liqour that would make Greenleaf proud. From everything I've read in Dyer's books, and the Danny Mcgoorty book, Greenleaf was as prolific of a drunk as he was a pool player. To run 277 balls on the sauce on a 5 x 10 foot table... That's an accomplisment greater than Mosconi runnning his 526 on a 4 x 8, imho.

I want to see Efren on a 5 x 10 foot table, a few bottles of liquor of his choosing, every rack he runs he has to have a drink... for that I would pay LARGE amounts of money to see. I'm saying astronomical amounts of money!
 
thedude said:
I'm a little confused about Mosconi's record to begin with. In Hustler Days by R.A. Dyer, I think Dyer says in a footnote that the record of 526 was set on a 4 x 8 foot table.

In The Hustler and The Champ, Dyer dedicates a chapter to this run. From a historical standpoint revealing precise details, the chapter is dissapointing. But dissapointment aside, Dyer says the original record holder was Ralph Greenleaf with 277 on a 5 x 10 foot table, this record was eventually broken by Irving Crane with 309 balls on presumably a 5 x 10 foot table(Dyer isn't very specific about the table sizes in The Hustler and The Champ, except for Greenleaf's 277 run on a 5 x 10, so I don't know if it safe assume Crane broke it on a 5 x 10.) I think Mosconi went on to tie this record, but again Dyer conveinantly leaves out the table size.

Assuming that Mosconi set the record of 526 on a 4 x 8 foot table, well I'm not nearly as impressed with that as Greenleaf running nearly 300 on a 5 x 10 foot table. ...
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Crane's 309 was on a 10-foot table. Mosconi's record was documented in an affidavit that is on the Smithsonian website. (See item 24 at http://www.sfbilliards.com/misc.htm ) All of those records were exhibition records. What is being proposed in this thread would not be an exhibition record, for whatever that's worth.
 
Bob Jewett said:
I expect there will be about 20 top shooters who will try such a thing this January, with some chance that Accu-stats will be taping it.

As for John's original idea, if he wants the record to be official, he should check what's required by the current records keeping body.
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If anyone gets a run that high on tape then that will be official enough for my money. In my mind the record of 526 balls will be broken.

I think that runs like this are more likely to happen in exhibition and practice sessions because in a competition the game is over when the goal is reached. Yours is the only high run competition I know of or have ever heard of.

As a practical matter I suppose that anyone who wanted to make sure they were listed in the BCA record book or the Guinness book of records should probably look at those body's requirements. Mine is only that it be on tape and uncut. Uncut being that there is no obvious foul play going on. If someone is smart enough and willing to take the time to make a video that fools me and the billiard community and is willing to live a lie then they are more than welcome to my $1000. They will need it to either drown their conscience or to jump start their career in Hollywood as a video editor/special effects guru.

Personally, I hope it happens at the DCC during your competition. In that case I know that everything will be official and it would be fitting.

So folks - get out your video cameras and start hitting balls. You have just over two months before DCC so get those runs on tape. I will offer $100 for the highest run posted by an AZ'er that is made between now and DCC. For what it is worth, www.VEOH.com is one service that allows videos of unlimited length to be uploaded.

Once again so it doesn't get lost:

$100 for the highest run posted on video by an AZ Member between Oct. 19th and the start of the 2008 Derby City Classic.
 
14.1

:D Way to go John.
Tap - Tap - Tap

I would love to buy a dvd of a run of this type.
I agree the rights to sell this video would bring in some serious dust.
 
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