i think i know the break, as it was utilized for a while before proper break rules were in place. it does favor the breaker if he is good enough to run out a congested rack. properly executed the opponent will be shooting from the bottom rail and most often push out, right?
Would You Still Gamble With This Guy?
- Thread starter Get_A_Grip
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Yep. Well, I think the first time I had to push out because I couldn't see the 1-ball. But I pushed the cue ball up table and he was able to thin the 1 ball and get behind the stack.
The second time I could thin the 1-ball from below the side of the stack and leave him up table where he again left me behind the stack.
Yeah, I do like to gamble and I normally have fun, win or lose. Because even giving huge spots, the matches are almost always really close and I have won about half the time. What ticked me off was for someone to pull that type of stuff knowing he has the best of it without needing to pull that crap. Never again with that guy. I should stick to what Fargo Rate says is a fair match at 7-6 and that's it. But he will NEVER do it. He's a nit and will only play with the best of it.
You talk about fargo, and nits, but state that you are 50/50 with your opponent. I don't think you can get anymore 'fair' than that. You were out moved, and he even out shot his 540 fargo rate. You said it yourself, he played better than usual. The spot was exploited, was it messed up? Yes. But you have to respect the fact that he turned it on you, and you learned something from it. Don't be so upset about learning something, get back in the box with him, it will not work twice. Overcome and get that cash.
Here's the difference. I play for the enjoyment of the game. I will never enjoy playing a game where someone safety breaks. So I won't play someone who needs to resort to that.
None of those games with huge spots were "fair". I out ran the nuts. But that can't last. The odds of continuing to give more weight than Fargo Rate predicts based on your ratings is a losing proposition over the long run. I know that.
If he agreed to play 7-6 with no safety breaks, fine. But he'll never do it. I'm being realistic about fair odds. But to give a huge spot and have a guy pull chicken sh!t moves on top of it, it's a challenge I'm going to pass on.
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They do!
3.0 LEGAL BREAK SHOT
For the break shot to be legal, the breaker (with the base of the cue ball placed anywhere behind the head string) must either pocket an object ball or drive at least three (3) object balls to one or more rails. If the breaker fails to make the legal break requirement, the balls will be re-racked and the opponent shall have the option of breaking, or requesting the offending player to break again.
Its easy to forget but sometimes when you cant play a good safety its better to take an intentional foul by tying up a pair (or more) of balls.
That's true. I do that often actually. But this guy's goal was to just safe me to death anyway and try to 3 foul me. We did have a limited time because the place closes at 11pm. I did try to tell him that if he keeps breaking like that I could stall and if we don't finish it's on him. But to prevent from 3 fouling I had to hit the balls hard enough to hit a rail. So the balls opened up for him enough for him to run out both times and we finished on time.
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If there was a next time, it would be with a full set of published rules where an illegal break gives me ball in hand. That would likely solve the safety break issue.
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Yeah. I see that now that it gives that option. In my mind at the time I was thinking that even if he rebroke, he would just hit slightly harder and I'd be in the same boat. Him rebreaking could have possibly made the rack even worse for me.
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O.K., that's enough now. Go tell him that you both made a mistake with the rules, you don't consider it a win but he can keep the money, and you'd like a chance to win it back: double the bet. Check him on the weight you give him. Print out the rules you plan to use. I recommend BCA. (These require four balls to hit a rail on the break.)Yeah. I see that now that it gives that option. In my mind at the time I was thinking that even if he rebroke, he would just hit slightly harder and I'd be in the same boat. Him rebreaking could have possibly made the rack even worse for me.
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If three foul rule was in. I would have taken ball in hand and rolled the cue ball off the one two rails into the back of the rack. If he misses the one ball tell him he is on two fouls, take ball in hand and do it again.
Bingo!!!!!
Except I didn't have ball in hand. The first set of 10-ball rules we found said that I could break or him re-break. Since I spotted him all the breaks, he's the one who did what you are saying to me. Except he didn't 3 foul me. But almost.
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The mistake was accepting his foul break as a legal break. You should have made him break again. If he fouls a second time, warn him:
"NOTE: If the shooter is not warned after the 2nd foul and commits a 3rd, it will not be a loss of game. Instead the opponent must again warn the shooter that the next foul committed will result in a loss of game."
(UPA Rules)
But play should not have proceeded past that foul break with the balls as they lay.
"NOTE: If the shooter is not warned after the 2nd foul and commits a 3rd, it will not be a loss of game. Instead the opponent must again warn the shooter that the next foul committed will result in a loss of game."
(UPA Rules)
But play should not have proceeded past that foul break with the balls as they lay.
