WOW BIADO vs. PULPUL Biado forgot to call the 10 ball on the hill and lost

[terryhanna]

There is no argument that can be made that what we saw here is nothing but detrimental to the sport. This "call shot" rule is in place so that balls cannot be made or a game won on a "fluke" shot. It is not however in place to steal a game or a very significant match. All this does is further push our sport down the drain by adding even more confusion to the common fan who wants to watch great shot making and skill, and not see a match of technicalities sad to see Carlo make such a great run and lose like this.

 

[Neil]

the only thing worse than this stupid so called 'rule'

is the sad people that defend it

One thing worse, guys that can't read. Show me one person that defended the rule. A number of people have defended following the rule. No one has said it was a good rule, just that one should follow the rules in place. Big difference.

 

[Neil]

I have read about half or more of this thread. I think the record has been broken for squeezing NITS into one place. Go join the APA and make your points to the bangers. Maybe they'll let you borrow their bobble-head pocket marker. When you play them for big bucks.
I never did like Pac-Man.
APA member. Yes I filled out the survey.

Nice to know that you are one to say screw the rules, I'm playing by my own rules. And also stating that anyone that does follow the rules is a nit.

Amazing how much scorn you have for honest people. :frown:

 

[Se7en6ix]

WPA Rules..

9.9 Spotting Balls
If the ten ball is pocketed on a foul a push out or during the break shot, or without calling it, or accidentally in the wrong pocket, or driven off the table, it is spotted. (See 1.4 Spotting Balls.) No other object ball is ever spotted.

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Rules are rules, but OMG, such a shame, and the referee is STUPID!.

The fact that biado gave a calming "sigh" means he calls that pocket. and come on, the 10 ball is just inches away from the pocket.

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In my opinion WPA 10 ball rule is stupid, imagine can return shots to the opponent and vice versa.

it should only be that 10 ball must be called, and the rest is like nine ball rules.
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10 ball is a good game like 9 ball, but its rule makes it stupid....
90 percent of pool players around the world play 10 ball like 9 ball!.

 

[sheffield6]

One thing worse, guys that can't read. Show me one person that defended the rule. A number of people have defended following the rule. No one has said it was a good rule, just that one should follow the rules in place. Big difference.

so you are defending it, then

 

[Tony_in_MD]

Look up the rule changes in the US open 9 ball tournament, you will see a number of changes year to year.

You are ignoring reality. I watched 5 matches and I saw 4 world class players forget to call the 10 ball. Bustamante, Reyes, Morris and Biado. This indicates it was a hard thing to do.

I'm unaware of 10 ball rules changing every tournament - or one pocket, or 9 ball, or 14.1

The only rules which change from tournament to tournament, pool hall to pool and bar to bar are 8 ball rules.

 

[arps]

carlo should just ask pulpul for a money match with his 2nd place prize money at stake.

 

[Colonel]

It's a shame buts it's what pool has become. It started years ago with many people crying about the luck factor in 9 ball. Then someone invents 10 ball to change the dynamics of the break in nine ball, then the stupidest rule I ever heard which if you miss a shot & didn't call a safety & your opponent is hooked he can give it back supposedly to eliminate luck. That rule blows my mind. In high caliber players you shoot at a ball to pocket it & get shape on the next ball. So if the ball jaws & your perfectly in line on the next ball but hooked from ball that jawed you can give it back!?!?! Supposedly to eliminate luck, you should feel lucky I missed. It's just ridiculous. Then the called case ball, again supposedly to eliminate luck. Well this tournament displayed numerous instances of this being the exact opposite
result of the reason for the rule. SVB, Bustamante, Reyes & Biado all lost games in this tournament for failure to call the 10 ball, Biado lost the match over this rule that supposedly eliminates luck when in fact all of the aforementioned players opponents won those games through the luck of their opponent not calling the 10 ball, Biados opponent won the match through luck.

With A+ caliber through pro level players just exactly how often is a ball slopped in? Maybe once every 50-100 racks, it's not really a factor once you reach a certain level of proficiency in this game. In fact it seems far more games & sometimes matches such as this are lost to LUCK of someone forgetting to call a hanger. It's just ponderous.

Rotation games were played forever without all of this nonsense that has developed over the last 15 years in ridiculous rule changes in 9 ball regarding the break, where balls are racked, etc etc. then someone invents 10 ball with all of its ridiculous rules & all of these things have done the exact opposite of what was intended. As far as those that quote the "WPA RULES", well quite frankly f*ck the WPA. All of these things have ruined rotation pool & turned it into something it was never meant to be. To those that defend all the ridiculous changes citing elimination of luck well you're probably a banger. As I said above, once you reach a certain level of play slopping in balls is such a rare occurrence it's negligible. Maybe it happens a lot on banger league nights, but not in elite play.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Actions

At least in those two situations, the athlete accomplished something themselves. It might have been a fluke, but they still had to execute.

Totally different than celebrating like a 5 year old on Christmas because your opponent didn't call a shot that couldn't have been more obvious.

I am not condoning his (Pulpul's) actions. I am saying if there is a rule and you fail to follow the rule then you should accept what the infraction causes.

 

[Poolshootindon]

Requirement

When are these players going to learn the rules? Regardless of the behavior of Pulpul there are rules to the game. Just like any other sport. You follow the rules.

Biado committed a foul and therefore did not win the game.

There was no foul, and there is no rule, just a 'requirement' of this particular competition.
How about next time, instead of calling the obvious shot, stand on one leg, and whistle Dixie, makes as much sense

Ok. He failed to fulfill one of the requirements of tournament. I am sure that in the players meeting all rules were discussed. If this is such a hardship on players to remember to call a ball maybe next time they should say "get rid of this crazy rule or we will not play".

 

[KRJ]

Ok. He failed to fulfill one of the requirements of tournament. I am sure that in the players meeting all rules were discussed. If this is such a hardship on players to remember to call a ball maybe next time they should say "get rid of this crazy rule or we will not play".

yes, because they have been playing the game for 10,15 or more than 20 years, and suddenly, they have to call straight in and obvious shots. Yes, can't understand how anyone could miss that. This is NOT a pool league, these guys are PRO's, and they are not going to shit in balls.

 

[sheffield6]

yes, because they have been playing the game for 10,15 or more than 20 years, and suddenly, they have to call straight in and obvious shots. Yes, can't understand how anyone could miss that. This is NOT a pool league, these guys are PRO's, and they are not going to shit in balls.

you just quoted me saying something I did not say:angry:

edit: not you Don, Chicago

 

[alstl]

I have read about half or more of this thread. I think the record has been broken for squeezing NITS into one place. Go join the APA and make your points to the bangers. Maybe they'll let you borrow their bobble-head pocket marker. When you play them for big bucks.
I never did like Pac-Man.
APA member. Yes I filled out the survey.

The APA has bobble-head pocket markers? That is soooo cool. Where can I sign up?

 

[Island Drive]

The APA has bobble-head pocket markers? That is soooo cool. Where can I sign up?

Settle down, you'll get yours under the tree. :grin-square:

 

[one stroke]

There is no argument that can be made that what we saw here is nothing but detrimental to the sport. This "call shot" rule is in place so that balls cannot be made or a game won on a "fluke" shot. It is not however in place to steal a game or a very significant match. All this does is further push our sport down the drain by adding even more confusion to the common fan who wants to watch great shot making and skill, and not see a match of technicalities sad to see Carlo make such a great run and lose like this.

Why bother having any rules then ,, to even remotely think that it further damages the sport is rediculas ,,the game is call the money balls pocket , not call it when you feel like it
Just like hundreds of thousands of league players that are required to mark thier pocket
Who have lost games for not doing it
The integrity of the sport is upheld when rules are enforced not the other way around

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[BMC361]

It's a shame buts it's what pool has become. It started years ago with many people crying about the luck factor in 9 ball. Then someone invents 10 ball to change the dynamics of the break in nine ball, then the stupidest rule I ever heard which if you miss a shot & didn't call a safety & your opponent is hooked he can give it back supposedly to eliminate luck. That rule blows my mind. In high caliber players you shoot at a ball to pocket it & get shape on the next ball. So if the ball jaws & your perfectly in line on the next ball but hooked from ball that jawed you can give it back!?!?! Supposedly to eliminate luck, you should feel lucky I missed. It's just ridiculous. Then the called case ball, again supposedly to eliminate luck. Well this tournament displayed numerous instances of this being the exact opposite
result of the reason for the rule. SVB, Bustamante, Reyes & Biado all lost games in this tournament for failure to call the 10 ball, Biado lost the match over this rule that supposedly eliminates luck when in fact all of the aforementioned players opponents won those games through the luck of their opponent not calling the 10 ball, Biados opponent won the match through luck.

With A+ caliber through pro level players just exactly how often is a ball slopped in? Maybe once every 50-100 racks, it's not really a factor once you reach a certain level of proficiency in this game. In fact it seems far more games & sometimes matches such as this are lost to LUCK of someone forgetting to call a hanger. It's just ponderous.

Rotation games were played forever without all of this nonsense that has developed over the last 15 years in ridiculous rule changes in 9 ball regarding the break, where balls are racked, etc etc. then someone invents 10 ball with all of its ridiculous rules & all of these things have done the exact opposite of what was intended. As far as those that quote the "WPA RULES", well quite frankly f*ck the WPA. All of these things have ruined rotation pool & turned it into something it was never meant to be. To those that defend all the ridiculous changes citing elimination of luck well you're probably a banger. As I said above, once you reach a certain level of play slopping in balls is such a rare occurrence it's negligible. Many it happens a lot on banger league nights, but not in elite play.

Blame Efren Reyes. They added this rule because he always get lucky.


" I got lucky " Efren Reyes

 

[Bob Jewett]

WPA Rules..
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You need to read the whole rules to see what the requirements are for calling a ball at 10 ball. I think the rules are poorly written in that regard, which explains your confusion and perhaps the confusion of the TD and referees.

The WPA rules do not require the player to explicitly call the 10 ball or, for that matter, any other ball.

 

[AtLarge]

... Does anyone know how much money this blunder cost Biado? ...

Here's an estimate. At the first MP Cup 10-Ball event back in September, 1st prize was $12,000, 2nd was $6,000, and 3rd/4th was $2,500. So winning a semi-final match added either $3,500 or $9,500 to the winner's prize money, depending upon whether he lost or won the final match.

I think I remember hearing that 1st this time is $13,000 rather than $12,000. But the numbers are probably not a great deal different from the first event.

The payouts are posted now. First place was $13,000, second place was $7,000, and 3rd/4th place was $4,000. So Biado's non-call cost him either $3,000 or $9,000.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

The payouts are posted now. First place was $13,000, second place was $7,000, and 3rd/4th place was $4,000. So Biado's non-call cost him either $3,000 or $9,000.

he lost $3k with a chance for the additional $9k.

def not chump change, especially so there in PI.

thanks for the answer A.L.

best,
brian kc

 

[sheffield6]

You need to read the whole rules to see what the requirements are for calling a ball at 10 ball. I think the rules are poorly written in that regard, which explains your confusion and perhaps the confusion of the TD and referees.

The WPA rules do not require the player to explicitly call the 10 ball or, for that matter, any other ball.

Exactly this. I just watched the complete Shane v Alcano match again,it was obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse where Shane was going with the 10 ball, and having Uncle Fester as a ref didn't help.Some people sell there integrity very cheaply.