wow SVB forfeits match vs Alcano

[mantis99]

Or none should be called since the ones where you are trying one hole and slop it into a different pocket are statistically insignificant. Not worth the effort and nittiness to me.

I've seen pro tournaments won on slopped in 9-balls. In my opinion, that should never happen. i don't care what game or rules you play, there will always be gray areas and challenges to rules and situations. All you can do is set up the rules to best reflect the intention of how the game should be played and handle the challenges as they come. No one wants to call every shot, and that would be obnoxious, so that is not the way to go. On the other hand, pool at a competitive level should be a game of precision, especially at this level, thus a player should bot be rewarded for a miss. The current rule of calling shots that are not obvious still seems to be the best route to take, or possibly even calling all 9 or 10 balls. As long as it is well described before the tournament starts, mistakes are a non issue. Most places use the rule of calling shots that are not obvious, so that seems like the most consistent way to go. Of course there is some interpretation of what obvious is and isn't, but pros at this level don't generally miss by a full pocket. I think the ref should have the freedom to ask before the shot is he is unsure of the intended pocket.

The point of the rules is to allow a fair game where the person who plays the game the best wins. In this case, the shot was obvious, so Shane should have the game if it was indeed called 10 on shots that are not obvious. If its call 10 on all shots, then Shane has only himself to blame.

 

[Kickin' Chicken]

incase you missed it:



Doesn't seem to be an issue when Busty doesn't call his 10 ball... hmmmmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWw_w5123t0&t=47m5s

bad ref - he should be excused from tourney.

 

[Bob Jewett]

I too assume that the event was not WPA sanctioned.

For that privilege, I think the cost is $25,000 to the promoter. This "fee" could be the reason that this event was not sanctioned as well as many other tournaments. Maybe someone could clue me in to the COST for having an event sanctioned by the WPA.

JoeyA

No, I think the sanctioning fee is a few thousand at most. For a major tournament it is a small part of the expense and in theory the calendar protection it provides is worth it. Also, sanctioning is needed for ranking points, I believe.

I think the $25,000 number is the minimum added prize money needed to qualify for sanctioning, not the sanction fee.

 

[Jaden]

bull shit...

You are right. Some posters on this forum are such drama queens that they always think they are right. I would not even waste my time now responding to their individual posts as it would just drag on and on and on. It does not matter that it was specifically stated that the 10 ball should be called in the players' meeting. Lots of SVB love in this thread. It appears he could do no wrong, could not lose, etc. And now they are experts in psychology too that they can know what Shane's mental disposition is in a particular match. For all we know Shane must be enjoying his extra day off playing money games. With him, Thorsten and Mika out, I am pretty sure they will be getting a lot of action from the unknown monsters.

If it was reversed or some other player I would be saying the exact same thing. Svb had nothing to do with it.

It has to do with bull shit moves by players. There are plenty of instances on this site that I've stated the same view point regarding pulling moves that didn't involve Shane.

And actually considering I have a degree in psychology I think I am qualified to comment on it.

Jaden

p.s. as long as you spout bull shit it's gonna drag on and on whether you respond directly or not.

 

[Spimp13]

Wow, is that the same ref? Pretty sickening if he isn't calling it on one guy but does to another.

 

[poolguy4u]

:shrug:


So the rule must be...when shooting at the ten ball and it goes into the wrong

pocket, it must be loss of game.


I wasn't at the players meeting, but there has to be more to it.........


Seems to me that the ref should of spotted the ten way before Shane unscrewed his cue.:smile:


Okay-----------continue on.:thumbup:

 

[nine_ball6970]

Imagine a PGA event where they couldn't use a driver because the promoter of that event didn't like that club. Imagine how unbelievably dumb that would be, apply it to pool and remember how unbelievably dumb it is.

If the promoter still paid out one million dollars for first like other PGA Tour events the PGA Tour players would just shrug their shoulders and take the driver out of their bags. It would be unbelievably dumb for them to skip that tournament but there would be tons of players willing to take their spot if they made a stupid choice by not playing. Kind of like the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." Pool players don't seem to understand that one.

Anybody remember why Ultimate Ten Ball is no longer an event?

 

[cleary]

If the promoter still paid out one million dollars for first like other PGA Tour events the PGA Tour players would just shrug their shoulders and take the driver out of their bags. It would be unbelievably dumb for them to skip that tournament but there would be tons of players willing to take their spot if they made a stupid choice by not playing. Kind of like the saying "Don't bite the hand that feeds you." Pool players don't seem to understand that one.

Anybody remember why Ultimate Ten Ball is no longer an event?

The point is, pool is such a stupid game that everywhere you go, the rules are different. On every level. From bangers in a bar to the best in the world, the rules always different and that's just sad.

18 different games played on 18 size tables with 18 sets of rules. #awesome

 

[AtLarge]

I too assume that the event was not WPA sanctioned.

For that privilege, I think the cost is $25,000 to the promoter. This "fee" could be the reason that this event was not sanctioned as well as many other tournaments. Maybe someone could clue me in to the COST for having an event sanctioned by the WPA.

JoeyA

Here's the WPA "Tournament Sanctioning Catalogue" -- http://wpa-pool.com/web/tournament_sanctioning_catalogue#top

And here's a relevant sentence from that document regarding the sanctioning fee -- "The total cost of sanctioning is negotiated between the WPA and organiser, but will not be less than 7.5% of total added money in all categories."

 

[Sloppy Pockets]

Here's the WPA "Tournament Sanctioning Catalogue" -- http://wpa-pool.com/web/tournament_sanctioning_catalogue#top

And here's a relevant sentence from that document regarding the sanctioning fee -- "The total cost of sanctioning is negotiated between the WPA and organiser, but will not be less than 7.5% of total added money in all categories."

7.5%? Sorry, but that is a pretty hefty cut IMHO. For what? "Calendar protection?"

I'm sure Manny would tell them to go pound salt if that is the case.

 

[GDC]

Doesn't seem to be an issue when Busty doesn't call his 10 ball... hmmmmmm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWw_w5123t0&t=47m5s

This post is a key point. I just cannot wrap my anround this. People are on here writing that the rules are are the rules. This is called as a foul on Shane, but not on Busti?

So if I follow the logic here:

1) The tournament created a screwed up modification to the WPA standard rules
2) The tournament only enforces that rule some of the time for some of the players
3) Shane broke the rule and therefore it is his fault.

Someone please explain this BS to me.

 

[terryhanna]

This post is a key point. I just cannot wrap my around this. People are on here writing that the rules are are the rules. But yet, they are only enforced part of the time for some of the players. This is called as a foul on Shane, but not on Busti? People will fault SVB for not following the rules, but neglect to fault the tournament for not adhering to the rules fairly for all players?

Someone please explain this BS to me.

it is because he was not playing Alcano and Efren didnt tell the ref to call it like Alcano did with Shane

Christopher Clark was there with Shane and Jay here is what he said happened---"The REF he did not even want to call a foul it was Alcano who jumped out of his chair and called it, he felt the heat at 4 -5 Shane with break in hand"

 

[Island Drive]

This post is a key point. I just cannot wrap my around this. People are on here writing that the rules are are the rules. But yet, they are only enforced part of the time for some of the players. This is called as a foul on Shane, but not on Busti? People will fault SVB for not following the rules, but neglect to fault the tournament for not adhering to the rules fairly for all players?

Someone please explain this BS to me.

Home court advantage....kickbacks?

I played in an event years ago, final 8 winners side, race to nine. Little did I know, the referee watching our match was ''in'' with my opponent. I had control of the match and was two games away from the win & running out.... the ref. called a foul on me for touching the cue ball/NOT. BIH to my opponent and lost the match. It was $5,000 first place and it was 30 years ago.

 

[Bob Jewett]

7.5%? Sorry, but that is a pretty hefty cut IMHO. For what? "Calendar protection?"

I'm sure Manny would tell them to go pound salt if that is the case.

Well, it depends. If the added money is $25000, which I think is the minimum for sanctioning, the sanction fee could be $1875.

Sanctioning also tends to encourage the top players to show up for ranking points.

 

[GDC]

it is because he was not playing Alcano and Efren didnt tell the ref to call it like Alcano did with Shane

Christopher Clark was there with Shane and Jay here is what he said happened---"The REF he did not even want to call a foul it was Alcano who jumped out of his chair and called it, he felt the heat at 4 -5 Shane with break in hand"

That shows you the difference between Efren and Alcano. Alcano's character is indefensible on this. He is a coward.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

If Shane had called the 10 like it was said at the player's meeting had to be done then this situation and this thread wouldn't exist.

This is not on the referee or Alcano, it's 100% on Shane. He is the one person who could have prevented it, with certainty.

Anybody dumb enough to play call-shot rotation games deserves what happens to them anyway.

ONB

 

[GDC]

If Shane had called the 10 like it was said at the player's meeting had to be done then this situation and this thread wouldn't exist.

This is not on the referee or Alcano, it's 100% on Shane. He is the one person who could have prevented it, with certainty.

Anybody dumb enough to play call-shot rotation games deserves what happens to them anyway.

ONB

I am trying to understand your post "this is not the referee" ...

Why then is SVB called on that foul and that same ref does not call Busti for the same foul?

I agree SVB is at fault here, but there is plenty of blame to go around. This whole situation questions the whole veracity of the rule.

 

[Old Nine Baller]

If Shane had called the 10 like it was said at the player's meeting had to be done then this situation and this thread wouldn't exist.

This is not on the referee or Alcano, it's 100% on Shane. He is the one person who could have prevented it, with certainty.

Anybody dumb enough to play call-shot rotation games deserves what happens to them anyway.

ONB

I am trying to understand your post "this is not the referee" ...

Why then is SVB called on that foul and that same ref does not call Busti for the same foul?

If you are truly trying to understand my post then finish reading the sentence above (in blue).

Many in this thread want to blame everybody except the one person who could have prevented the situation from happening in the first place.

ONB

 

[jsp]

Anybody dumb enough to play call-shot rotation games deserves what happens to them anyway.

I don't get all the beef regarding call-shot rotation games, and how they are any different from 8-ball and straight pool (which are also call-shot games).

As for the OT, if the ref is going to call that, then he's got to be absolutely consistent. He can't call it for Shane and not call it for Busti or anyone else. The rules may be the rules, and Alcano may be a nit, but the ref really set himself up to be at fault by not enforcing the rules consistently. The way I see it, all four parties are at fault...Shane, Alcano, the ref, and the rules.

 

[BMC361]

Blame Shane for quitting. Too many sore losers here.