WPA Revises World 10-Ball Rules !

Maybe I'm crazy but why don't they just make 10 ball rules the same as 9 ball? If they keep dicking around with the rules I can see 10 ball becoming like 8 ball where there all sorts of different sets of rules depending on where you are to the point where nobody really knows what the rules are.

10 ball is just 9 ball with an extra ball. Why does it require a different set of rules? Seems like somebody is over thinking this one, but then again I'm just a ball banger so what do I know?
 
soulcatcher said:
When you are playing call pocket, any ball other than the money ball (10 in this case) stays down. But the money ball would be spotted unless it is called. Shooting the 4, and calling the 4, make the 4 and the 10, the 10 gets spotted.
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Yes, I see you are correct. Rule 9.8 states the 10 gets spotted if made in addition to a called ball. So in this scenario if you play the 4, call the 10 and make the 10 you win whether or not you also make the 4. However if you fail to make the 10 but make the 4 then rule 9.7 will apply where your turn will end and the opponent will have the choice of making you continue if they don't like the position.

I don't see these kind of scenarios actually happening all that often in Pro competition. However when it does happen it will definately lead to a slow-down as players try to determine if it is better to shoot or pass the shot back mid-rack, unless there is a shot clock in use.
 
for the general public

both the majority of the Pool playing public and for spectators these rules are going to be too hard to follow. The general public wants something nice and exciting to follow, not something burdened down with excessive rules. One reason why 14.1 would never become a spectator sport, or even 1 Pocket in a general sense.

I can already hear the many arguments between players about these new 10 ball rules.
 
jay helfert said:
My new Ten Ball rules. Tell me if you like them.

Rule #1. You can win if you make the ten ball on the break, unless one of the following things happen. If the ten contacts any ball before hitting a cushion first it does not count. If the ten strikes two or more balls on the way to the pocket it does not count. If the ten goes into any one of the top four pockets without hitting another ball it does not count. Other than these few exceptions the ten counts on the break. Oh, and one more thing. If the ten jumps off the table, it stays there until your turn is over. Too frickin' bad!

Rule #2. You must call all balls, including what cushions they will strike and any balls they will contact on the way to the pocket. Failure to do so is loss of game. Do it twice and you're outa there! Gone, kapeche, done, finished!

Rule #3. You may play a safety at any time on any ball. You just call SAFE and hit any ball you like. Your opponent then has the option to take ball in hand or bonk you on the head with his cue. If you call safe twice in a row, he can do both!

Rule #4. You may not play a billiard or a combination without the permission of the referee and a note from your mother.

Rule #5. When racking the balls, try to be quiet, so as not to wake any sleeping spectators.

Rule #6. Between matches all players must sit together holding hands and humming Christmas carols. Except during Thanksgiving when they can sing aloud at the top of their lungs. No longer will pool tournaments be dull affairs. They will now be songfests, with ample helpings of beer and ale.
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I want to be sure everybody understands all the rules! :)
 
jay helfert said:
I want to be sure everybody understands all the rules! :)
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I printed my copy to store in my cue case for easy access in the event of a rules dispute. Thanks, Jay. :D
 
unknownpro said:
Does anybody have any comment on my previous post about safety play? If there is no advantage to "calling" safe, players simply WILL NOT call safe except when there is no possibility of pocketing a ball. Any time there is a chance a ball could accidentally be made they will call that ball. The reason being it is always better to have the next shot than to have your opponent get the option to shoot.

This DID happen in the PCA. It WILL happen again with these rules. And it does look horribly stupid to spectators or a TV audience.
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OK. Here is the new rule...

9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call ?safety? which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)

There may be an advantage on rare occasions to use this rule because it is basically the same as playing a push shot (if you pocket something). My question is that if you call a safety, do you still have to go to a rail? I'm assuming the correct answer is yes. Also, I'm assuming that if you do not call a shot then you are playing a safety. Otherwise, how do you rule if the player doesn't call anything and pockets a ball?
 
MikeJanis said:
Jay, please take a few minutes to read the updated rules. They were just changed again. The safety is still there but with an option and the 10-ball counts on the break. Like I mentioned earlier, they new rules are a step in the right direction. Mj


Ten ball is a call shot game played with ten object balls numbered one through ten and the cue ball. The balls are played in ascending numerical order and the lowest numbered ball must be contacted by the cue ball in order to establish a legal hit. The player legally pocketing the ten ball wins the rack, and this can be achieved on the break shot without calling a ball. Only one ball may be called on each shot. (See 9.5 Shots Required to be Called).


9.6 Safety
The shooter, after the break at anytime may call ?safety? which permits him to make contact with the legal object ball without pocketing a ball and end his inning. However, if the shooter pockets the legal object ball the incoming player has the option to play the shot as left, or hand it back to his opponent. (See 9.7 Wrongfully Pocketed Balls which also applies during a safety.)
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Would these rules eliminate combo? So they are trying to elevate shape play.
 
jay helfert said:
I agree to disagree. Love ya buddy! We can talk about this next time we are in the booth together. :)
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Do not forget to take your Fork with u for that debate in the commentators box.:D
 
jay helfert said:
My new Ten Ball rules. Tell me if you like them.



Rule #6. Between matches all players must sit together holding hands and humming Christmas carols. Except during Thanksgiving when they can sing aloud at the top of their lungs. No longer will pool tournaments be dull affairs. They will now be songfests, with ample helpings of beer and ale.
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In that case I'll be careful who I sit next to. I was wondering what went on inside the accustats booth. Now we know.
 
Rule 9.5 is going to cause some fights/arguments like in 8 ball.What is obvious to me may not be obvious to you.
15 years ago in the board meeting of PBTA (chaired by Don macky) pro player CJ wiley proposed calling the shots and I successfully blocked that move.When u insert a clause saying you do not have to call the shot that is obvious , then every shot looks obvious to drunks/druggies/irrational individuals who just want to defy the rules and the authority and they will never call any shot.
 
alstl said:
Maybe I'm crazy but why don't they just make 10 ball rules the same as 9 ball? ...
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My understanding is that the organizer of the first tournament wanted something else. I think call shot at 10 ball is a bad idea.
 
crosseyedjoe said:
Would these rules eliminate combo? So they are trying to elevate shape play.
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As per my post above it appears that you can combo the 10 as long as you call it. So if as long as you contact a legal ball (IE lowest numbered) first and make the 10 in your called pocket you'd win.

However what you can't do is call a shot on a legal ball and also make the 10 in the same shot as the 10 would spot back up rather than being a win.
 
I don't think calling shot is good enough, we need a legal binding contract on every shot signed by both parties so there can't be any ambiguity. Of course, make sure to have your lawyer present at the game. ;)
 
I heard that Mosconi believed the game of 9-ball was 25% luck.

One of the current pros, relayed that he believed that the slop rules 10-ball as played currently, is more like 15% luck.

I guess that's a step in the right direction.
 
Here's a good idea: Take a large group of starving, poor, desperate pro pool players who would do anything to feed their families and have their pride and then put them in money tournaments that don't have a ref for every match and then change all the rules so that there are huge gray areas where arguments will ensue.

Yeah, THAT will help the game. Good call.

It took me a while to understand why the apa played 8 ball slop but I fully understand now. No one can argue that one of your balls found gravity into any one of the pockets after a legal hit.

I play TAP league for the record.
 
donny mills said:
What is wrong with these wpa people???
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Donny, as a player that plays a lot of 10-ball please give us you insights to exactly which rules fropm the WPA could be changed to better the game.

Thanks,

Mj
 
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