WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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ike Dennis Miller says "I could be wrong"
Yes, I heard though the "Grapevine" that the retired pool players "may" have a plot to start a "New World Pool Order"......supposedly when everyone thinks they are "dead, retired, and gone" they will be in the perfect position for world domination.
This is the latest "Conspiracy Theory"..... Like Dennis Miller says "I could be wrong".
Yes, I heard though the "Grapevine" that the retired pool players "may" have a plot to start a "New World Pool Order"......supposedly when everyone thinks they are "dead, retired, and gone" they will be in the perfect position for world domination.
This is the latest "Conspiracy Theory"..... Like Dennis Miller says "I could be wrong".
Yes, I heard though the "Grapevine" that the retired pool players "may" have a plot to start a "New World Pool Order"......supposedly when everyone thinks they are "dead, retired, and gone" they will be in the perfect position for world domination.
This is the latest "Conspiracy Theory"..... Like Dennis Miller says "I could be wrong".
Dead, retired and gone sounds like older guys, not like Shane, Alex, MD, etc.
Also sounds like a line from a John Wayne movie where Richard Boone's character just before dying says to John Wayne's character, 'I thought you were dead'. And then John Wayne says, 'Not hardly.'
Someone can play pool at the highest level well into their 50s,
Buddy Hall and Mike Lebron won the US Open at 53, so it's certainly not a "young man's game".....although it does take extra effort to stay in top shape as we get older.
Someone can play pool at the highest level well into their 50s, and maybe even 60s provided the eye sight and nerves hold up.
Buddy Hall and Mike Lebron won the US Open at 53, so it's certainly not a "young man's game".....although it does take extra effort to stay in top shape as we get older.
Someone can play pool at the highest level well into their 50s, and maybe even 60s provided the eye sight and nerves hold up.
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For his elbow to remain where it is the wrist must be uncocking slighly down/forward. The movement in the regular stroke is difficult to detect, but on the break it becomes much more evident. SEE PICTURES
I'm not sure how Shane feels about this motion or if he's aware of it. In my game it's an important factor that produced effective results. I'm just sharing this and if it helps some players that's great, and if not, just put it on a shelf. 'The Game is the Teacher.
For his elbow to remain where it is the wrist must be uncocking slighly down/forward. The movement in the regular stroke is difficult to detect, but on the break it becomes much more evident. SEE PICTURES
I'm not sure how Shane feels about this motion or if he's aware of it. In my game it's an important factor that produced effective results. I'm just sharing this and if it helps some players that's great, and if not, just put it on a shelf. 'The Game is the Teacher.
When you do your game enters a "new dimension".....one of "real eyes" and "real ears"
Yes, the fact that many have trouble dealing with is if their mind really knew the right answers they would have already figured everything out and the game would be simple......however, this is usually not the case so "something" in their game/mind needs a "counter intuitive" adjustment.
Pool is a series of reflections {and reflections}, by nature, are backwards.
Just like in golf you must hit down on the ball to make it go up properly, in pool you must hit low to make the object ball have high, left to make the object ball spin right and there are the obvious ones.....there's others that aren't quite as obvious in the stroke it's self....as a matter of fact many players will go their whole life and not "real eyes" what they are.
When you do your game enters a "new dimension".....one of "real eyes" and "real ears" (sight and sound)......and of course, the sign post ahead will read "The Twilight Pool Zone".
Yes, the fact that many have trouble dealing with is if their mind really knew the right answers they would have already figured everything out and the game would be simple......however, this is usually not the case so "something" in their game/mind needs a "counter intuitive" adjustment.
Pool is a series of reflections {and reflections}, by nature, are backwards.
Just like in golf you must hit down on the ball to make it go up properly, in pool you must hit low to make the object ball have high, left to make the object ball spin right and there are the obvious ones.....there's others that aren't quite as obvious in the stroke it's self....as a matter of fact many players will go their whole life and not "real eyes" what they are.
When you do your game enters a "new dimension".....one of "real eyes" and "real ears" (sight and sound)......and of course, the sign post ahead will read "The Twilight Pool Zone".
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No, I'm not currently using TOI, although I own both of CJs first DVDs and have played around with it. I need to take it one step at a time and ingrain this new grip... I used to play with a very loose grip, but decided to switch because it breaks down easily under pressure ( for me).
Do you use TOI with only the CTC and CTE alignments, or by aiming to the side of the pocket closest to the ball?
- Andy
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I need to take it one step at a time and ingrain this new grip... I used to play with a very loose grip, but decided to switch because it breaks down easily under pressure ( for me).
Do you use TOI with only the CTC and CTE alignments, or by aiming to the side of the pocket closest to the ball?
- Andy
Hi Andy,
I've always had a loose grip & a longer fluid stroke. Since using TOI my grip has firmed up & my stroke as become more compact. That has happened by 'gravitation' with no real conscious effort.
I've been using the CTC & CTE for awhile but I really don't think I am playing often enough to keep it dialed in. I took a few weeks off & when I went back I was a bit inconsistent so I went back to aiming to the full hit side of the pocket. When I went back a week later I used a mix of both depending on how a shot felt.
Naturally it's up to you but I think & feel that it is definitely worth you giving it a try.
Congratulations Again & Best Wishes,
Rick
the TOI "Alignments" are CTC or CTE, but you "Aim" at the closes side of the pocket..
I'm glad to see you experimenting with your game, that's often times what it takes to make "break throughs". From what I've seen most players that struggle are gripping the cue TOO loosely...this is a common misconception because the pros look like they're gripping loosely, but looks can be deceiving. Just look at the front page of AZBILLIARDS with Thorsten Hohmann. - Does it look like he's gripping loosely? :groucho:
I grip the cue firmly, but not tight enough to make my forearm muscles tight. You must have control over the cue so to maximize the feel you get from the TIP.....we ALL play the game with our TIP so that's where the feel/touch for the game actually comes from.
Remember, the TOI "Alignments" are CTC or CTE, but you "Aim" at the side of the pocket closest to the ball....this is the "3 Part Pocket System"....I'm clear about these two things in my video/DVD, don't fall into the belief that there's somehow 2 different TOI's.....there is just one, but there's also the 3 Part Pocket System which is different than the Touch of Inside.
Basically you need to join the 2 systems together, this is what I do that's most effective.
Play Well, Let me know if you have any questions at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
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I need to take it one step at a time and ingrain this new grip... I used to play with a very loose grip, but decided to switch because it breaks down easily under pressure ( for me).
Do you use TOI with only the CTC and CTE alignments, or by aiming to the side of the pocket closest to the ball?
- Andy
I'm glad to see you experimenting with your game, that's often times what it takes to make "break throughs". From what I've seen most players that struggle are gripping the cue TOO loosely...this is a common misconception because the pros look like they're gripping loosely, but looks can be deceiving. Just look at the front page of AZBILLIARDS with Thorsten Hohmann. - Does it look like he's gripping loosely? :groucho:
I grip the cue firmly, but not tight enough to make my forearm muscles tight. You must have control over the cue so to maximize the feel you get from the TIP.....we ALL play the game with our TIP so that's where the feel/touch for the game actually comes from.
Remember, the TOI "Alignments" are CTC or CTE, but you "Aim" at the side of the pocket closest to the ball....this is the "3 Part Pocket System"....I'm clear about these two things in my video/DVD, don't fall into the belief that there's somehow 2 different TOI's.....there is just one, but there's also the 3 Part Pocket System which is different than the Touch of Inside.
Basically you need to join the 2 systems together, this is what I do that's most effective.
Play Well, Let me know if you have any questions at thegameistheteacher@gmail.com
the "hammer stroke" emphasizes the feedback you receive in your hand
One of the keys to playing consitenly pool is accelerating or extending your TIP through the cue ball. This creates an accurate, reliable response and holds up under pressure.
Using the "hammer stroke" emphasizes the feedback you receive in your hand as you hit the cue ball.....with a grip that's too "gentle" it's tough to get this type touch unless you've been playing since a very young age.
I started very young, but still use a firm grip that is more of athletic "tennis grip" that also works for golf and pool. Everyone holds the cue slightly different, but the wrist/fingers/forearm should play a vital role in the actual acceleration at contact. imo
One of the keys to playing consitenly pool is accelerating or extending your TIP through the cue ball. This creates an accurate, reliable response and holds up under pressure.
Using the "hammer stroke" emphasizes the feedback you receive in your hand as you hit the cue ball.....with a grip that's too "gentle" it's tough to get this type touch unless you've been playing since a very young age.
I started very young, but still use a firm grip that is more of athletic "tennis grip" that also works for golf and pool. Everyone holds the cue slightly different, but the wrist/fingers/forearm should play a vital role in the actual acceleration at contact. imo
just making a slow fist 10 times a day will suffice - hand strength is an advantage
My favorite one is using a "Shot Put," although just making a slow fist 10 times a day will suffice - hand/finger/wrist strength and dexterity is an advantage in billiards, as {it is} in tennis, baseball, fishing, and golf.
My favorite one is using a "Shot Put," although just making a slow fist 10 times a day will suffice - hand/finger/wrist strength and dexterity is an advantage in billiards, as {it is} in tennis, baseball, fishing, and golf.
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"Pinning" the cue ball
CJ - When you say "Pinning" the cue ball in billiards. Is this possibly analogous to "pinching" a golf ball to generate backspin?
CJ - When you say "Pinning" the cue ball in billiards. Is this possibly analogous to "pinching" a golf ball to generate backspin?
I am willing to teach the Pinning Technique, but only to an intermediate/advanced....
That would be very similar in concept. If you're a golfer you know how well the pros do this compared to even a "scratch golfer".
"Pinching," and "Pinning," and "Digging In" can all be used, I use "Pinning" because that's the slang term used by all the Road Players I used to run around with. I also use the term "digging in to the cue ball," however, that's more of descripion of what I'm doing rather than just a slang term. It's like the term "Fade" [in golf] is the same as "applying spin that makes the golf ball curve slightly from left to right."
The pros can "Pinch" a golf ball and draw it from the back to the front of a fast green, this is easier said than done, and so is "Pinning".....it's an advanced technique and you won't see even top short stops doing it very often.
I am willing to teach the Pinning Technique, but only to an intermediate/advanced player. They must have an accomplished stroke to move up to this level of cue ball contact, it requires an accomplished game before it would be prudent to learn.
That would be very similar in concept. If you're a golfer you know how well the pros do this compared to even a "scratch golfer".
"Pinching," and "Pinning," and "Digging In" can all be used, I use "Pinning" because that's the slang term used by all the Road Players I used to run around with. I also use the term "digging in to the cue ball," however, that's more of descripion of what I'm doing rather than just a slang term. It's like the term "Fade" [in golf] is the same as "applying spin that makes the golf ball curve slightly from left to right."
The pros can "Pinch" a golf ball and draw it from the back to the front of a fast green, this is easier said than done, and so is "Pinning".....it's an advanced technique and you won't see even top short stops doing it very often.
I am willing to teach the Pinning Technique, but only to an intermediate/advanced player. They must have an accomplished stroke to move up to this level of cue ball contact, it requires an accomplished game before it would be prudent to learn.
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Thanks CJ. That turned a light bulb on for me as I had a great coach named Jimmy Ballard that taught me to pinch a golf ball by imagining to smash the golf ball into the ground - that visual worked for me. Unfortunately, not sure how to relate that to my pool game yet but it's a start.
How about trying to make the cue ball burn a spot on the cloth?
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Very nice! That could work!
Can "pinning" be described as using a "kill stroke" (using draw hitting below center, that wears off before the cue ball contacts the object ball) combined with side spin? Just trying to wrap my mind around this technique. I think I use this technique but can't be sure.
I don't have Dallas on my schedule this year but you never know. I noticed that you an Mary Avina are headed up to North Carolina to give pool lessons. Hope the two of you have much success.
JoeyA
In golf, the "Pinning" is done by an exact descending blow with the edge of the club
I know Jimmy Ballard and read his book many years ago.
I used the "Pinning" technique for years with the TOI, but only though working with the Golf Coach, Hank Haney, did I learn how to teach it. It's one thing to be able to do something yourself, and quite another to be able to teach it. My ability to do this is getting better and better by demonstrating and explaining it on a regular basis.
In golf, the "Pinning" is done by an exact descending blow with the edge of the golf face....this will produce an incredible amount of backspin, however, you're stoke has to be very efficient to accomplish this.
In pool, it's the same way, your stoke and hand movement MUST be refined to create the ideal "Pinning" motion (hammer style).....I wish there was a "Magic Pinning Bullet" but there's not. I can teach someone to do this, but it does take a dedicated effort to improve yourself. 'The Game is my Teacher'
I know Jimmy Ballard and read his book many years ago.
I used the "Pinning" technique for years with the TOI, but only though working with the Golf Coach, Hank Haney, did I learn how to teach it. It's one thing to be able to do something yourself, and quite another to be able to teach it. My ability to do this is getting better and better by demonstrating and explaining it on a regular basis.
In golf, the "Pinning" is done by an exact descending blow with the edge of the golf face....this will produce an incredible amount of backspin, however, you're stoke has to be very efficient to accomplish this.
In pool, it's the same way, your stoke and hand movement MUST be refined to create the ideal "Pinning" motion (hammer style).....I wish there was a "Magic Pinning Bullet" but there's not. I can teach someone to do this, but it does take a dedicated effort to improve yourself. 'The Game is my Teacher'