Here's a YouTube video compilation of old news clips highlighting Roberts. Interesting, his stroke looks very similar to CJ's stroke IMO. Must be a Missouri thang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G13l_W_UI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
WRISTS - The "hidden power catalyst" of a great stroke or "just along for the ride"?
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Here's a YouTube video compilation of old news clips highlighting Roberts. Interesting, his stroke looks very similar to CJ's stroke IMO. Must be a Missouri thang.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5G13l_W_UI4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
I have to agree, it seems for the most part that great players have many similar things in common as far as, the mechanical aspect of pool. Fundamentals are the strong base that allow everything else to fall in place.
I had some very informative conversations with Johnny Archer last week.
Yes, I had some very informative conversations with Johnny Archer last week. We talked for over 8 hours on different elements of playing and competing at the championship level. He and I share a lot of the same ideas and it looks like we will team up to do some teaching seminars. It was amazing to me how many things we have in common, although our playing styles appear to be different. Back when we were competing against one another, neither of us was as willing to "share" our secrets.
It looks like we could train 8-10 people in Atlanta and in Dallas every other month if there's that kind of demand. I believe this would be very beneficial, so if anyone's interested let me know at www.cjwiley.com
I am also going to put together the Touch of Inside Video in the next 10 days as well as something on the stroke mechanics utilizing the wrist/forearm approach. I could see this technique utilized by players in the Mosconi Cup and look forward to sharing what I noticed and how it can apply to everyone's game that's looking to improve.
Also - My $14.95 ONE MONTH Pay Per View is now available at www.cjwiley.com on the first page......I will have one more "Holiday Special" tomorrow as well if you're looking for a unique gift for someone.
Yes, I had some very informative conversations with Johnny Archer last week. We talked for over 8 hours on different elements of playing and competing at the championship level. He and I share a lot of the same ideas and it looks like we will team up to do some teaching seminars. It was amazing to me how many things we have in common, although our playing styles appear to be different. Back when we were competing against one another, neither of us was as willing to "share" our secrets.
It looks like we could train 8-10 people in Atlanta and in Dallas every other month if there's that kind of demand. I believe this would be very beneficial, so if anyone's interested let me know at www.cjwiley.com
I am also going to put together the Touch of Inside Video in the next 10 days as well as something on the stroke mechanics utilizing the wrist/forearm approach. I could see this technique utilized by players in the Mosconi Cup and look forward to sharing what I noticed and how it can apply to everyone's game that's looking to improve.
Also - My $14.95 ONE MONTH Pay Per View is now available at www.cjwiley.com on the first page......I will have one more "Holiday Special" tomorrow as well if you're looking for a unique gift for someone.
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I thought I would bring this thread back to the top due to its content and importance
John
John
I have put about 100 hours into TOI. So much time and effort that I forgot about the basics of using the wrist.
TOI is coming naturally now so I'm staying focused on the use of the wrist during the shot stroke.
One of these days I hope it all comes together.
Have Fun :wink:
John
TOI is coming naturally now so I'm staying focused on the use of the wrist during the shot stroke.
One of these days I hope it all comes together.
Have Fun :wink:
John
"see it to believe it."
The wrist is important to use, and you probably do it naturally. The main thing is the accelleration you need for a consistent reaction of the cue ball. In my TOI Video I'm going to show you how to create all your angles using the Touch of Inside. This is the part I didn't want to explain in writing because you have to "see it to believe it."
I'm glad you're putting in the time with the TOI, after you see my video you will be way ahead of the Game. It takes about 3 weeks to make the transfer, and if you've put in that much time you are close to making more progress quickly and easily.
The wrist is important to use, and you probably do it naturally. The main thing is the accelleration you need for a consistent reaction of the cue ball. In my TOI Video I'm going to show you how to create all your angles using the Touch of Inside. This is the part I didn't want to explain in writing because you have to "see it to believe it."
I'm glad you're putting in the time with the TOI, after you see my video you will be way ahead of the Game. It takes about 3 weeks to make the transfer, and if you've put in that much time you are close to making more progress quickly and easily.
we're able to hit the ball extremely precise
You're certainly welcome. It's not for everyone, but for some it's "the nuts". Keeping the stoke more compact using the wrist is also powerful for long draws because we're able to hit the ball extremely precise. I've heard a lot from players that just thinking more about their hand/wrist/forearm has helped when they utilize it.
I've been practicing with a sword (using the same motion) like I show on my first DVD and it's getting my stroke back to how it used to be. Thanks again for your comments, enjoy your new year.
You're certainly welcome. It's not for everyone, but for some it's "the nuts". Keeping the stoke more compact using the wrist is also powerful for long draws because we're able to hit the ball extremely precise. I've heard a lot from players that just thinking more about their hand/wrist/forearm has helped when they utilize it.
I've been practicing with a sword (using the same motion) like I show on my first DVD and it's getting my stroke back to how it used to be. Thanks again for your comments, enjoy your new year.
Cant wait for the video.
Once you become familiar with TOI and then revisit the match you had with Steve Mizerak its very clear to see that you two were playing two different games. You really caught Steve off guard.
I really liked the way you moved around the table confident and fast. That's the way I play when I'm shooting well. And if there is some good music in the back ground it only gets better.
I think Buddy Hall said "well, you wont have to put a shot clock on this guy"
The angles, yup the angles are going to be changing.
Thanks
John
When I miss a straight in shot aiming the center of the CB to the center of the OB, I often miss to the right and I blame my stroke and my wrist moving to the side a bit.
With the "hammer" action, the wrist is moving only down on the stroke line and not to the side eliminating my stroke error that cuts the OB to the right.:smile:
Thanks again.:thumbup:
Hey LaMas,
Happy to hear of your progress.
I too do the hammer work out 2 times a day, 50 reps each time.
The funny thing about it is you do the reps and then pick up the cue the butt feels like the hammer handle. That feel stays there for quite a while. :smile:
Have fun
John
Happy to hear of your progress.
I too do the hammer work out 2 times a day, 50 reps each time.
The funny thing about it is you do the reps and then pick up the cue the butt feels like the hammer handle. That feel stays there for quite a while. :smile:
Have fun
John
Here's a picture of how I'm pre cocking my wrist in the "hammer position"
Here's a picture of how I'm pre cocking my wrist in the "hammer position"...it's the most precise way I've found to hit the cue ball, and the power/speed you are able generate is amazing. It's all about understanding how the wrist is the "Hidden Power Catalyst" in the stroke.
I have many requests to do a video JUST on the stroke. I may get Johnny A. and a couple of pros to take part in one after I release this Touch OF Inside Technique this weekend.
Here's a picture of how I'm pre cocking my wrist in the "hammer position"...it's the most precise way I've found to hit the cue ball, and the power/speed you are able generate is amazing. It's all about understanding how the wrist is the "Hidden Power Catalyst" in the stroke.
I have many requests to do a video JUST on the stroke. I may get Johnny A. and a couple of pros to take part in one after I release this Touch OF Inside Technique this weekend.
Here's a picture of how I'm pre cocking my wrist in the "hammer position"...it's the most precise way I've found to hit the cue ball, and the power/speed you are able generate is amazing. It's all about understanding how the wrist is the "Hidden Power Catalyst" in the stroke.
I have many requests to do a video JUST on the stroke. I may get Johnny A. and a couple of pros to take part in one after I release this Touch OF Inside Technique this weekend.
COOL. :smile:
Can hardly wait for the release of TOI.
This should be good.
Thanks CJ, man Carsons looks like a really nice place. Good job.
John
cocking and releasing in an exaggerated version of the pool stroke
Your're welcome.
I'm glad you've discovered when a player chooses to use their hand one thing MUST prevail and that's a slot or groove that keeps the cue absolutely straight. I can't stress this enough, if you're wrist or cue is moving on the stroke or follow though laterally you need to give the hammer a try.
When you hold the hammer like you hold a cue and feel the motion of your wrist, then incorporate it you will feel this "groove/slot" I speak of. With the hammer you're wrist is cocking and releasing in an exaggerated version of the pool stroke. You won't see it in my stroke, however, I assure you it's happening.
Pool players are like magicians, you can't see how they do their tricks. And while I advise trusting your eyes when watching a champion play I would also advise understanding you won't always see the "trick". Some of these "tricks" he will not think it wise to reveal.
Just like at a magician's show when the performer saws the women in half you wouldn't want to jump up and yell "murderer, someone call an ambulance AND the police!!!" We can't always trust our "lying eyes." :wink:
Your're welcome.
I'm glad you've discovered when a player chooses to use their hand one thing MUST prevail and that's a slot or groove that keeps the cue absolutely straight. I can't stress this enough, if you're wrist or cue is moving on the stroke or follow though laterally you need to give the hammer a try.
When you hold the hammer like you hold a cue and feel the motion of your wrist, then incorporate it you will feel this "groove/slot" I speak of. With the hammer you're wrist is cocking and releasing in an exaggerated version of the pool stroke. You won't see it in my stroke, however, I assure you it's happening.
Pool players are like magicians, you can't see how they do their tricks. And while I advise trusting your eyes when watching a champion play I would also advise understanding you won't always see the "trick". Some of these "tricks" he will not think it wise to reveal.
Just like at a magician's show when the performer saws the women in half you wouldn't want to jump up and yell "murderer, someone call an ambulance AND the police!!!" We can't always trust our "lying eyes." :wink:
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the Grip as the most important element - here's more to cross reference
I've had a lot of success teaching the proper hand/wrist/finger motion with recent students.....anyone that hasn't see this thread might want to go through it, there's some "golden nuggets" of information.
I believe the pool grip is just as important to a great game as it is in the game of golf. Ben Hogan, one of the most knowledgeable golfers of all time considered the Grip as the most important element - here's more to cross reference
LINK TO MORE ABOUT THE GRIP - BEN HOGAN
Ben Hogan devoted the first 18 pages of Five Lessons to The Grip. It is no mystery why. Hogan opens the book with this line in all caps "GOOD GOLF BEGINS WITH A GOOD GRIP". His contemporary Sam Snead when asked how important the grip was replied "That's everything brother!"
So, the grip is not a little bit important....it is a lot important. Probably the most important because the grip is the transmitter and transformer of the energy of the body. You can make all of the right moves with the body but with the wrong hold on the club it is all for naught.
So, let's talk about Chapter 1 - THE GRIP
I've had a lot of success teaching the proper hand/wrist/finger motion with recent students.....anyone that hasn't see this thread might want to go through it, there's some "golden nuggets" of information.
I believe the pool grip is just as important to a great game as it is in the game of golf. Ben Hogan, one of the most knowledgeable golfers of all time considered the Grip as the most important element - here's more to cross reference
LINK TO MORE ABOUT THE GRIP - BEN HOGAN
Ben Hogan devoted the first 18 pages of Five Lessons to The Grip. It is no mystery why. Hogan opens the book with this line in all caps "GOOD GOLF BEGINS WITH A GOOD GRIP". His contemporary Sam Snead when asked how important the grip was replied "That's everything brother!"
So, the grip is not a little bit important....it is a lot important. Probably the most important because the grip is the transmitter and transformer of the energy of the body. You can make all of the right moves with the body but with the wrong hold on the club it is all for naught.
So, let's talk about Chapter 1 - THE GRIP
A book could be written about this thread
A book could be written about this thread....hey, now that's an idea.
Wow! Ill give it 2 days before we reach page 200
A book could be written about this thread....hey, now that's an idea.
Personally I think a blockbuster movie is in order, a book wouldn't do this thread justice! This thread gave me so many laughs, insight and knowledge that I'm actually really glad its back.A book could be written about this thread....hey, now that's an idea.
Before you make the movie, finish the documentary first. I'm dying to see it!
CJ
I have noticed many good players have the wrist cocked forward while addressing the cueball, as seen in your photo.
If you don't uncock it on the back swing, your wrist will have already "followed through" at contact, so you never have to break the wrist.
I have noticed many good players have the wrist cocked forward while addressing the cueball, as seen in your photo.
If you don't uncock it on the back swing, your wrist will have already "followed through" at contact, so you never have to break the wrist.