wtf???????

[Banks]

perhaps if angle shooting players like Danny wouldn't conduct themselves like this then pool might find it's way out of the gutter, but you're right well within the rules, lmao.

May as well argue that MLB catchers tell the ump if a pitch was out or if they tagged after a foot reached the base. Too many instances in other sports of institutionalized rule manipulation. He followed the rule and gets slammed. While I may not like the way he's conducted himself here, I think he was well within his right to call the rule this time. I'm a lowly league player and even I know well enough to warn my opponent on their approach.

 

[corvette1340]

may as well argue that mlb catchers tell the ump if a pitch was out or if they tagged after a foot reached the base. Too many instances in other sports of institutionalized rule manipulation. He followed the rule and gets slammed. while i may not like the way he's conducted himself here, i think he was well within his right to call the rule this time. I'm a lowly league player and even i know well enough to warn my opponent on their approach.

that is exactly what people are saying!!! Nobody is saying that Danny isn't completely within the rules here, just that it's a douche move/angle shoot.

 

[Banks]

that is exactly what people are saying!!! Nobody is saying that Danny isn't completely within the rules here, just that it's a douche move/angle shoot.

Meh. I think people are making too much of it. Sure, he could call it on himself, but that's his opponent's responsibility. People don't flip out when a batter accepts a strike as a ball, but they do for this when it is clearly spelled out.

That's all I got. I'm also under the influence of the smell from cooking 4 pounds of good bacon.

 

[easy-e]

Meh. I think people are making too much of it. Sure, he could call it on himself, but that's his opponent's responsibility. People don't flip out when a batter accepts a strike as a ball, but they do for this when it is clearly spelled out.

That's all I got. I'm also under the influence of the smell from cooking 4 pounds of good bacon.

If the guy didn't try to tell Danny that he was on two, there would be no conversation (I don't think there would anyway). The guy tried to do the right thing, his language barrier prevented that from happening. Danny knows the guy tried to do the right thing, and still chose to take advantage. That's where the problem lies for me.

 

[FranCrimi]

I didn't witness what happened but if Danny told his opponent that he had to let him know he was on two before it was his turn, Danny went above and beyond what his responsibility was under that rule. He did nothing wrong. It wasn't a move. It's not his job to speak on behalf of his opponent, nor is it his job to educate his opponent during their match. In fact, he wouldn't have had the right to speak on behalf of his opponent.

The rule is a bad rule. But until it gets officially changed, it has to be followed, and players shouldn't be changing it during a match.

 

[FranCrimi]

If the guy didn't try to tell Danny that he was on two, there would be no conversation (I don't think there would anyway). The guy tried to do the right thing, his language barrier prevented that from happening. Danny knows the guy tried to do the right thing, and still chose to take advantage. That's where the problem lies for me.

I don't think the issue here was a language barrier. According to the rule, Danny's opponent tried to tell him he was on two at the wrong time. It's his responsibility to know the rules going into the event. These are world standardized rules which have been translated for every continent.

 

[rhatten]

The rule is a good rule. A player can forget that he had a foul two innings back. Subsequent to forgetting it he would be called a "douche", in the high-level terminology of AZB. The opponent is the player who stands to benefit from the three foul rule and it's his responsibility to notice his opponent in the proper manner. If he doesn't notice the player it means that he chooses to not enforce the rule. I often don't notice someone on two fouls because I choose to not win a game on a [insert disparaging term] technicality.

Same logic on sleepers in 1hole right? or no? I mean if you don't spot up at the end of the inning then it sleeps right? same for markers staying 'up' in 1 hole even after a ball is spotted?... learning pool eddicate as I go here.

R

 

[Blue Hog ridr]

Is it fair to assume that if one knows the game well enuff to play you into 3 fouls, that they should also know the rules involved in 3 Fouling their opponent.

 

[Neil]

Same logic on sleepers in 1hole right? or no? I mean if you don't spot up at the end of the inning then it sleeps right? same for markers staying 'up' in 1 hole even after a ball is spotted?... learning pool eddicate as I go here.

R

Good point! I guess Efren is a douche also for getting Orcullo on a sleeper.

 

[rhatten]

Good point! I guess Efren is a douche also for getting Orcullo on a sleeper.

Let it be known I didn't call anyone any names here, just trying to understand the double standards in our rules and who they apply to and get some idea how we are supposed to act towards each others limitations....

R

 

[ELBeau]

The same thing happened between Corey Duel and Bustamante at the 2012 West Coast Challenge One Pocket at the California Billiard club
Bustamante claimed he warned him but Corey contended that if a warning was given it was several minutes prior at the end of Bustamante's turn and did not count since Corey was not warned 'as he approached.' Corey was correct and the referee ruled in his favor. The rule states you must warn your opponent as he is approaching the table.
Busty went on to win the whole thing, by the way.

 

[Neil]

Let it be known I didn't call anyone any names here, just trying to understand the double standards in our rules and who they apply to and get some idea how we are supposed to act towards each others limitations....

R

Correct, and I apologize if anyone took it that way. I was just pointing out exactly what you said....some say Danny is a douche for applying the rules, but when Efren does it, not a peep.

 

[alanvo]

Danny should be a ref, not a player. He has no sportsmanship.

 

[MahnaMahna]

Never mind reread the op.....

 

[FranCrimi]

The rule is a good rule. A player can forget that he had a foul two innings back. Subsequent to forgetting it he would be called a "douche", in the high-level terminology of AZB. The opponent is the player who stands to benefit from the three foul rule and it's his responsibility to notice his opponent in the proper manner. If he doesn't notice the player it means that he chooses to not enforce the rule. I often don't notice someone on two fouls because I choose to not win a game on a [insert disparaging term] technicality.

That's inconsistent with the meaning of the rule because if the match is refereed, then the referee has an obligation to inform the player when they are on two fouls. So by saying that when the opponent is acting as the referee, he should be able to decide when to enforce the rule and when not to enforce the rule, it is an unsportsmanlike abuse of the rule, regardless of which direction it favors.

Even though no one would be able to prove that the opponent of intentionally didn't tell the player, that kind of thinking is wrong regarding following rules in competition. If you're playing socially, you can play in whatever way you and your opponent agree to.

 

[easy-e]

Still douchey.

 

[hang-the-9]

What do you mean "wtf"? It sounds as if he did everything he could do for his opponent, and in what sounds like in a sportsmanlike way. I'm not a huge Danny H. fan by any stretch....but he is 100% right about he rules on 3-fouling a player.

It seems as though he did everything right....but that's just one side of the story.

I thought the comment he made about straight pool actually being professional (knocking 9-ball a little bit) was hilarious.

Maniac

He said that it was professional to have refs, don't think he meant that straight pool was professional, it blended into his comment about a straight pool tournament with refs.

This 3 foul rule is one of those things that many people get wrong, I always try to explain the correct rule for it, but often get "who cares when you say it, as long as you say it".

 

[easy-e]

Now it's unsportsmanlike for me to choose to not enforce rules that are in my favor? And it's also unsportsmanlike for Danny Harriman to choose to enforce rules that are in his favor?

WTF is right.

Don't forget douchey also.

 

[FranCrimi]

Now it's unsportsmanlike for me to choose to not enforce rules that are in my favor? And it's also unsportsmanlike for Danny Harriman to choose to enforce rules that are in his favor?

WTF is right.

Not only is it inconsistent with the intent of rules, it's unsportsmanlike to ignore the rules of the game and create your own in the middle of a match. Intentionally choosing to ignore a rule can be construed as creating your own rule giving yourself the right to ignore it.

The intent of this rule was made clear by the fact that a referee is obligated to tell a player they are on two fouls. If this was not the case, then you could possibly have made a reasonable argument.

 

[hang-the-9]

It's unsportsmanlike to ignore the rules of the game and create your own in the middle of a match.

But he didn't. The rule is that you have to tell the opponent he's on two fouls as he is coming to the table to shoot. Which is what Danny told him when he said he was on two at the wrong time.

He actually did do something nice by telling him what the rule is, although it seems that the lack of English by his opponent made that moot.

One may argue that Danny knew he was on two when he went to shoot, and the fact that he told the other guy that it did not count as a third foul due to a technicality of the rules was "unsportsmanlike" but it's still following the rules.

As someone that just plays pool for fun, I don't really care if someone tells me at the wrong time I'm on two fouls, I just let them know what the rule is. Since these guys play pool for a living, I don't see how you can let a rule go ignored even if it seems petty. If they don't win, they don't pay the rent. Cheating to win (which is a lot of "hustling" is) is one thing, sticking to the rules even if it's not something that a nun would do is another.