WWYD - 9 Ball ghost

iusedtoberich

iusedtoberich

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WWYD? BIH. The only pocket the 4 goes into is the opposite side, either by a bank or getting straight in on it from its back side.

Would you set up for the bank? Would you try to get straight in on it? Would you try to break it out with the CB while shooting the 3? Other?

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Playing steady or against someone better than me I'd play off 3 to hit 4/6 as option #1. 4-9 isn't too bad if I'm running hot or playing with house money up a few games. Curious how others would play this.

I like topspin shot off 3 playing end rail to hit 6-4 up table. Shooting 4 in either side depending on how cue hits 6. If the touch misses, you have combo 4-6, 4-9, bank 4, or carom off 4 & shoot the 9 all still in play depending on the leave.

Drawing off the 3 and coming across table to make hit feels like an easier shot to me, but less upside for next shot if the touch is accomplished.
 
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I would break out the 4 off the three ball shot. I want to hit the upper quadrant of the 4 to just nudge it free from the 6, which makes the cb go uptable a little. The position I want on the three is about parallel to the rail from the three. Then just use some draw to get to the four. (to find out exactly where you want to be for position on the three, just use the 1/3 draw rule.)
 
Yeah, I'm with the crowd. Play the breakup on the 3-ball shot. The ghost might get the cash on this one. :(
 
Play the 3. Shoot the 4/6 combination. Not a lot of distance between them, and the 4 will track towards the 9 and right corner pocket. Too many bad things can happen on that breakout. I'd just take what the table is giving.
 
Shawn Armstrong said:
Play the 3. Shoot the 4/6 combination. Not a lot of distance between them, and the 4 will track towards the 9 and right corner pocket. Too many bad things can happen on that breakout. I'd just take what the table is giving.
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I saw that shot and considered it. I think it's probably a better shot. I just sell out combos. :o

Good thinking though.
 
peppersauce said:
I'd play for an angle on the 3 that's just a hair to the left of where the cue tip is and just follow 1, possibly 2 rails for the 4 in the side.
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I am playing (for the 3) to land where your cue tip is, thus my angle is bad to stop the CB for a bank shot, so I'm going two rails to break up the 4-6, and if I miss that, I try the 4-6 combo......
 
It all depends on how you fall on the three. No one wants to bank the four but that may end up being your only option. The good news is that if you make the bank (and it's not a particularly hard one) you should bump the six and get perfect shape to continue your run.
To get from the three and behind the four is not easy and neither is breaking it out. Neither one is guaranteed to give you a shot. Sometimes you have to take what the table gives you. Playing for the bank on the four is probably the easiest option in terms of cue ball movement.
 
Efren just told me he doesnt play the 4 ball at all...:scratchhead:



He caroms off the 3, hits the 9, and sinks the 9 in the left corner :grin-square::grin-square: :clapping:
 
I'm hoping to get on the 3 to where I can adequately control the cueball to bank the 4 in the opposite side. The 9 ball makes the positioning for that bank a bit tricky. It will be a slow speed bank. This slow speed will allow me to nudge the 6 ball in a controlled manner, thus leaving a shot for that nearest corner and allowing an avenue to get shape on the 7 ball. Any use of english on the bank depends on the bank angle and the relation of the 6 ball to the 4 ball. I need more than the picture to judge that.
 
The shot that I like the most is banking the one and nudging the six ball leaving traffic

and breaking out the problem. With ball in hand I think this is the easiest way to correct

the problem. The way the four lays leaves many super hero shots which can be avoided

by playing a safe and fixing a problem at the same time. Playing the ghost, I would follow

two rails into the shooting line of the four with the intention of breaking them out.
 
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Play the break out from the 3 to the 4. With ball in hand, it shouldn't be too hard to get the angle with a bit of inside from the 2 to the 3. Balls, 4 & 6, are at a place where if u hit the middle of the balls you'll have a shot or control the speed that u hit the edge of the 4.
 
Right after I made the first post, I put doughnuts under the balls and was going to try a bunch of options. I really thought the angle from the 2 to get on the 3 lended itself to get behind the 4, so I went that route. I got really good on it on the first try. I might try the other options tomorrow since I still have the doughnuts set up.

https://youtu.be/aJGwmCAqhoE
 
I play short off the two leaving a back cut into the four off the three with bottom right medium speed, leaves me 3 possible pockets for the 4 and the 6 as a stopper
 
Mkindsv said:
I play short off the two leaving a back cut into the four off the three with bottom right medium speed, leaves me 3 possible pockets for the 4 and the 6 as a stopper
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Just curious, why the right english?
 
iusedtoberich said:
Right after I made the first post, I put doughnuts under the balls and was going to try a bunch of options. I really thought the angle from the 2 to get on the 3 lended itself to get behind the 4, so I went that route. I got really good on it on the first try. I might try the other options tomorrow since I still have the doughnuts set up.

https://youtu.be/aJGwmCAqhoE
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Real good shot you made on the three to get on the four like you did. That said, now look at what the size of the actual window for that position is. It's not very big. Yes, you hit it on the first try. But, that is not what you should be looking at. What you should be looking at, is how often you can hit it. What are the actual odds of you hitting it when you really have to?

Now, no offense at all, just a teaching moment. If you and I are playing, and you shot that shot that way, even though you nailed the position, I am going to keep playing you and be happy about it. The reason is, I now know you are willing to take unnecessary chances, and they will bite you down the road. You played perfect speed control off the 3, not so good off the 4, and because of that, even worse off the 6.

You did what you wanted off the three, so I call it skill. Yet, I will also state that you got lucky. That is because you have enough skill to do it, but not to do it on a regular basis.

Try the other ways, and then learn which way you have the best odds. Don't determine it by just one shot each way, but take a number of shots each way, so you have a decent idea of what will usually happen each way.
 
I am also trying to break out the 4. Shooting the 3 from between the 7 and the tip.of the cue laid out in the pic.

2rails out of the corner, but might hve to draw straight across table, depending on the angle for the 3.

1 and 2 are actually well positioned to get good on 3. Shoot 1 in either corner and stop, shoot 2 in upper r), 1 rail toward the 3...then close one eye and hope for best.
 
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