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Bob Jewett said:
How about if the eight ball is one ball farther from the short rail?

My point is that the shot is close to the boundary of being able to play it as a simple one-railer. The OP warned us that it was near the limit. This kind of position is a fairly common problem when you get not quite right on a ball. Do you try the simpler way or do you discard it as too touchy?

I think that trying to understand the shot just from a glance at the pictures is not sufficient. Lots of times the angles are distorted, as you often see in single-camera streams from the end of the table. A simple shot near the end rail will be distorted into an impossible back-cut which the player then shoots easily at low speed.
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If I was answering to a shot other than the one posted, I likely would have a different response. :smile:
 
Maniac said:
Just my opinion, but with the 8-ball so close to the pocket and the cue ball so close to the 8-ball, I cannot imagine anybody with any playing ability at all to have any problem with speed control on this shot.

But then...sh*t does happen.

Maniac (especially when I'm shooting :embarrassed2:)
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Id like to shoot from there every game, you are right about that!
 
Runner said:
Inside (right) english, a little bit of low, soft kill shot should bring
the CB on the same side of the 9. The speed of the cloth
dictates how hard you hit it. $.02
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Patrick Johnson said:
Why add low? That would only widen the CB's angle off the 8 when you want it to follow forward as straight as possible.

pj
chgo
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Runner said:
Hi PJ.. inside english with a little low kills the CB off the rail, shortens the
angle of the CB off the rail... works for me in this situation :thumbup:
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Adding low widens the CB's carom angle off the 8 so it's working against the inside, creating a wider angle than you'd have without it.

And you have to hit a little harder for the low to "carry" to the 8, which widens the angle more.

Try it without the low and see if you like it - I'd be interested to know. :)

pj
chgo
 
low if you need to get more inside spin on the cueball if hitting it higher doesnt get enough to get the job done. in this case from the pic it looks like center ball inside will get you over there.
 
Just tried this shot. Slow shot with inside English puts the CB about mid table straight in to the 9 ball.
 
iusedtoberich said:
WWYD. Playing 9 ball, got great on the 8, but a bit too steep "so it seems" to hold one rail.

Would you still try to hold 1 rail for the 9? Would you try to go long rail - short rail, and shoot the 9 in the corner closest to the CB? Would you try to go some variation of long rail - short rail, and miss the 9 and shoot it in the regular corner? Would you try going long rail-short rail-long rail and squeeze the CB between the 9 and rail to shoot it in the first corner? Other?

I marked the shot with doughnuts and will try the suggestions later.

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Depends on the playing conditions. Humid? cushion nose dirty? (If so one tip outside 3 o'clock.

Otherwise, I'd drop behind it....HUGE position zone. I'd bet the farm on that shape if I already had the table speed down.
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maha said:
...low if you need to get more inside spin on the cueball if hitting it higher doesnt get enough to get the job done.
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Hitting the CB low "enhances" side spin by slowing its forward motion more than its side spin. In order for that to happen with the CB this close to the OB I think you'd have to hit it too softly for the shape you want.

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Hitting the CB low "enhances" side spin by slowing its forward motion more than its side spin. In order for that to happen with the CB this close to the OB I think you'd have to hit it too softly for the shape you want.

pj
chgo
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And the low will draw the cb a little more up that long rail. I'd much rather use top inside to help the cb get to that rail sooner.
 
Its amazing at just how simple this shot is yet, some on here chose to overthink the shot.

KISS!!!!!

Like someone else said "anyone that has any problems with that shot needs weight"....lol... 5hats an understatement for sure.
 
jrctherake said:
Its amazing at just how simple this shot is yet, some on here chose to overthink the shot.

KISS!!!!!

Like someone else said "anyone that has any problems with that shot needs weight"....lol... 5hats an understatement for sure.
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So so right. From this setup the cb should hit the rail between the 1st and 2nd diamond, making guaranteed easy shape on the 9. If the 8 were a couple of inches more up table, then it would be time for a more thought out approach to the 9, like 2 rails to get the cb above the 9, or that nice fancy straight inside shot that sends the cb 4 rails and back out toward center table, as long it misses the 9 on that second rail.
 
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Guys, I’m not a banger, but certainly not a great player. When the shot came up, it was definitely enough to give pause. The angle is funny. If the 9 was on the break spot it would lay perfectly to go 3 rails around it. But the 9 is in almost the exact spot the CB would hit the third rail. If the 8 or CB were 1” less of a cut angle, the one rail route would be a no brainer. All the ball positions were such that some of the standard options are borderline.

Anyway I’ll try to get a video up today. Thanks for the responses:)
 
iusedtoberich said:
Guys, I’m not a banger, but certainly not a great player. When the shot came up, it was definitely enough to give pause. The angle is funny. If the 9 was on the break spot it would lay perfectly to go 3 rails around it. But the 9 is in almost the exact spot the CB would hit the third rail. If the 8 or CB were 1” less of a cut angle, the one rail route would be a no brainer. All the ball positions were such that some of the standard options are borderline.

Anyway I’ll try to get a video up today. Thanks for the responses:)
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I enjoy these WWYD shots. They give players the opportunity to learn different options for position. And you're right, 1 or 2 inches for either of these balls leads to a completely different set of options.
 
As a general principle, I encourage any student looking at a tough shot to consider multiple pockets for the target ball.
 
High/Inside should do the job here. The angle on the 8 ball isn't too bad, should hold up nicely to shoot the 9 ball almost straight in the corner.
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Adding low widens the CB's carom angle off the 8 so it's working against the inside, creating a wider angle than you'd have without it.

And you have to hit a little harder for the low to "carry" to the 8, which widens the angle more.

Try it without the low and see if you like it - I'd be interested to know. :)

pj
chgo
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Hi, PJ..

I shot it both ways, inside with low and straight inside.. got perfect shape
with inside and just a touch of low... again I'm talking about a soft kill
shot speed, not a full stroke. And I would guess it depends on the table
and rails.. I'm on a GC with Andy cloth, and it's stupid fast. :thumbup:
 
Runner said:
Hi, PJ..

I shot it both ways, inside with low and straight inside.. got perfect shape
with inside and just a touch of low... again I'm talking about a soft kill
shot speed, not a full stroke. And I would guess it depends on the table
and rails.. I'm on a GC with Andy cloth, and it's stupid fast. :thumbup:
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Thanks for the feedback, Runner.

Did you try it with high inside?

pj <- might learn something
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Thanks for the feedback, Runner.

Did you try it with high inside?

pj <- might learn something
chgo
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Yeah, on the GC with fast cloth, the CB came down too far, ended
up straight at the rail on the 9. I'll be playing on a different GC this weekend,
with Sim 860, so I'll try the shots again.. my go-to would still be inside
with a touch of low.. different strokes!:cool:
 
I fixed my camera last night, the HDMI cable had come loose. I’ll video the various shots and post.

Mr PIITH, good job on your video:)
 
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