Yang vs. Orcullo

Terry Ardeno said:
Jay,
Are you sure they had matched up before? I copied this from another site that was promoting their clash...
Yang Meets Orcullo in Showdown


Yang Ching - Shun / Dennis Orcullo



In a showdown billed as a “battle of money-game kings”,
Yang Ching-Shun of Chinese Taipei will meet Dennis Orcullo of the Philippines at the Gateway Mall Activity Center in Cubao, Quezon City on April 12-14.



(Click here: http://www.poolphilippines.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8 - visit our forums to vote who will win!)



Both players are acknowledged as the top money-game players in their respective countries. They are feared everywhere in the world in money matches. And they are of almost the same age. Yang is 29; Orcullo is 28.







Significantly also, the two players have never faced each other in competition – not in tournaments or on the money-game table. They have watched each other warily in money matches and tournament play, as they did during the World Pool Championship in Manila last year, but both have shied away so far from actually challenging the other to a match.
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This must be for promotional purposes only. It is untrue that they haven't gambled before. I may have been given the wrong info on this by one of TV guys over there. Well, no one can say they haven't gambled now. That's for sure.
 
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cheemagun said:
LOL!

Im laughing at you saying Gandy Valle takes Yangs $.

Ive seen him play numerous times here at masters and i dont think the kid stands a chance. If i had money i would back yang in that match up anytime. you got action. I dont even like gandy valle over the mexican chavez. i dont even like gandy valle even against park.

And i havent heard of yang playing nine ball in the philipines. From what ive heard its all ten ball and he beat everybody he played.

http://www.poolphilippines.com/inde...task=view&id=57&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1
"On Day 2, Yang was clearly master of the table and the more regal money-game king.. If Orcullo was a hairline better than him the previous day, today Yang was dominant."

That musta hit you hard huh?

you clearly a hardcore fan.. once somebody gave props where its due you got your panties in a bunch.

you shouldve made a open bet like jay did.
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I only agree with cheemagun on that it is hard to believe. But Alex did tell me that back in the day when they were all kids, Gandy was the best (outta everyone including Dennis, Alcano, and himself!) and was thought to have been the next champion. But, over time interests changed and everyone got a lot better while Gandy I guess wasn't as motivated or whatever. But, hearing that from Alex, I believe that he still has what it takes to shoot good pool. It is possible he beat Yang - just hard to believe. But, Gandy is a very nice guy and is still better than probably majority of the players out there worldwide. Gambling always brings out the best (andworst) in people - so it is very possible that he is stronger in money-games than tournaments.
 
cheemagun said:
What was the score? Did you watch it or did you have action on it?
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Neither, was told about it by people who watched them play for 10K. Once again, since I didn't see it with my own eyes, and have to rely on someone else's story, I am not 100% certain. Only they know for sure.
 
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mariopatricio said:
Hi Jay. I understand your disappointment over your bet, but you and other posters are swinging wildly from one end of the vine (confidence in Dennis) to the other (total awe of Yang, ready to proclaim him the best in the world). For heaven's sake, this is just one day of competitive pool, and not even the end of the match yet!

This is not how we assess pool battles and talent here in Manila. Yang is a great player, but he has been taken by several Filipinos over the past few years (notably Ramil Gallego, Jeff de Luna, Gandy Valle, Efren Reyes, Django Bustamante, etc.) just as he has beaten some. He is a formidable player, yes, but he has not won the big ones and had a mediocre record last year.

Dennis Orcullo did not win his spurs in one match or one game. He has built it over the years. His record against everyone who has played him several times in money games is positive. And he plays all games. That's why he is the money-game king here in the Philippines. It's absurd to say that he is mismatched against Yang.

Point 2: For all Yang's prowess at the pool table, he's strictly into 9-ball. He doesn't want to play anything else.

In the Filipino's playbook, 9-ball is the great equalizer among pool games. Lesser players can take better players on a good day because of the unpredictability of its break and its lack of complexity. That's why Filipinos don't generally play 9-ball in Manila; they only do so when guys like Yang are in town.

Did you know that Gandy Valle beat Dennis Orcullo 9-1 at the Philippine national championship last year. Yet in a money game of 9-ball, Dennis spots Gandy 3 balls (7,8,9) and often than not wins.

What's just showing for now in this big to-do is that Yang has a great break and had it going today, and Dennis could not buy a single good break. Yesterday, it was nearly even, but Dennis was impeccable in his potting while Yang missed four makeable shots. Tomorrow, who knows?

We Filipinos would never rest the issue of who's better or the best on a game of 9-ball, let alone on one match. We think that question is better answered in the games of 10-ball and 8-ball, where players must deal with tougher breaks, layouts and choices. In these games, Yang and any other international player for that matter can have a match here anytime for big stakes against Orcullo, Corteza, Pagulayan and Alcano.

Now, if Yang were to beat Dennis in these three formats -- 8-ball, 9-ball and 10-ball -- we Filipinos will probably be the first to proclaim him king. Until then, please no talk of mismatches, even if you're $1000 poorer.
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I agree with you that Ten Ball would be a better test, but in this particular match Dennis appears to be outclassed, for whatever reasons you want to ascribe. I was told that Dennis beat Yang playing Ten Ball over a year ago. I guess that doesn't matter now.
 
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cheemagun said:
lol the list you just gave me is like my top 5 favorite players on the planet along with yang.. the only ones missing is corey and ginky.

10 ball i would put them like this..

orcullo.. from what i hear
pagulayan.. from what ive seen
yang.. from what ive seen
alcano.. from what ive seen
corteza.. ive seen his matches from a couple of years ago but i bet he is stronger now.

but based soley on what ive seen.. hands down pagulayan.
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It's funny you'd pick Alex.....he confided in me that he would NEVER bet against Yang in a money match - doesn't matter who he is playing! That's pretty strong respect he's giving Yang. Although, he never said that HE (himself) wouldn't gamble with Yang??!! LOL ;) :D You know Alex, I think he'd gamble in almost any game, for any amounts.....it all just depends on his mood really!

BTW, he and Dennis added another notch to their rivalry right before this tournament - Dennis won 30-29 ....gee no wonder it's a RIVALRY...Alex said there is never a difference of 2 or more games in all their matches for money....that's sickening if you ask me! LOL
 
I was invited to come over by people involved in promoting the match. Now I'm glad I didn't make it. I'm sure I would be in a lot deeper than 1K.
 
phoebe choy said:
BTW, he and Dennis added another notch to their rivalry right before this tournament - Dennis won 30-29 ....gee no wonder it's a RIVALRY...Alex said there is never a difference of 2 or more games in all their matches for money....that's sickening if you ask me! LOL
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Generally, I have found that when two players continuously have close scores like this in matches, it's because they have TOO much respect for each other.

I dunno. I always tried to foster the attitude of "I don't care WHO you are.. I'm gonna shove the balls up your ***!"

And I would have to say that attitude allowed me to beat a few players who skill was actually greater than mine. :D

Russ
 
phoebe choy said:
It's funny you'd pick Alex.....he confided in me that he would NEVER bet against Yang in a money match - doesn't matter who he is playing! That's pretty strong respect he's giving Yang. Although, he never said that HE (himself) wouldn't gamble with Yang??!! LOL ;) :D You know Alex, I think he'd gamble in almost any game, for any amounts.....it all just depends on his mood really!

BTW, he and Dennis added another notch to their rivalry right before this tournament - Dennis won 30-29 ....gee no wonder it's a RIVALRY...Alex said there is never a difference of 2 or more games in all their matches for money....that's sickening if you ask me! LOL
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well i never seen both of them play everyday.. i base it on what ive seen for myself. and if i didnt hear about dennis orcullo then alex and yang would be 1,2. they also both my favorite players as well.

I hope they have more of these..

*hopes for alex vs yang* :D
 
If they form a team of ten pinoy players, to challenge any team in the world 10 ball for money, I think we will be hard pressed to find any country taking them on, except may be Taiwan.

Can we find ten players in the US to match up with ten pinoys for money?
 
mariopatricio,

have you considered the possibility that Yang is simply the better player?

btw, i thought Dennis was gonna smoke him
 
smashmouth said:
mariopatricio,

have you considered the possibility that Yang is simply the better player?

btw, i thought Dennis was gonna smoke him
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If Yang ends up beating Dennis by this margin tomorrow, then I think it's safe to say that Yang is the better 9ball player. I think that's all you can say.

Seems from the eye-witness reports, Yang has the superior 9ball break, which appears to be the big difference.

Does anyone know if Yang plays straight pool at all?
 
X Breaker said:
If they form a team of ten pinoy players, to challenge any team in the world 10 ball for money, I think we will be hard pressed to find any country taking them on, except may be Taiwan.

Can we find ten players in the US to match up with ten pinoys for money?
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I'll play, but I'll need someone else to put up the money and to scrape my trampled corpse up from the floor after!

But seriously, I just may have to buy the Ocullo/ Yang video. Anyone heard of plans to market?
 
I'm curious to see any video, only because I know Orcullo has a great 9-ball break. Lots of power, and incredible control.

jsp said:
If Yang ends up beating Dennis by this margin tomorrow, then I think it's safe to say that Yang is the better 9ball player. I think that's all you can say.

Seems from the eye-witness reports, Yang has the superior 9ball break, which appears to be the big difference.

Does anyone know if Yang plays straight pool at all?
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phoebe choy said:
It's funny you'd pick Alex.....he confided in me that he would NEVER bet against Yang in a money match - doesn't matter who he is playing! That's pretty strong respect he's giving Yang. Although, he never said that HE (himself) wouldn't gamble with Yang??!! LOL ;) :D You know Alex, I think he'd gamble in almost any game, for any amounts.....it all just depends on his mood really!

BTW, he and Dennis added another notch to their rivalry right before this tournament - Dennis won 30-29 ....gee no wonder it's a RIVALRY...Alex said there is never a difference of 2 or more games in all their matches for money....that's sickening if you ask me! LOL
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Just a little update. Alex and Dennis have played close to 30 times. You can count the times Alex has won on 1 hand.
 
X Breaker said:
If they form a team of ten pinoy players, to challenge any team in the world 10 ball for money, I think we will be hard pressed to find any country taking them on, except may be Taiwan.

Can we find ten players in the US to match up with ten pinoys for money?
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Please, are you kidding? You'd be hard pressed to find three.
 
Why is it so improbable to so some here that Yang may just be better overall?

I mean one of them is the better overall player, why can't it be Yang? The man is smoking Dennis on his home turf
 
jay helfert said:
Please, are you kidding? You'd be hard pressed to find three.
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May be only Taiwan will be able to put togther a team then...even then, with all due respect, winning could be quite tough for them.
 
jay helfert said:
Please, are you kidding? You'd be hard pressed to find three.
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Shooooot! I'll match up! Gimmee the 5 out wild and the pops, and I'll beat Orcullo, Van Van, Gande, and all those others like they stole my girlfriend!

Russ
 
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