Yen Makabenta's Face Is Back On The Frontpage

arian dacongan

arian dacongan

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I WAS SO GLAD FOR AWHILE THAT YEN'S FACE - BEING ALL OVER THE FRONTPAGE OF AZ.. WAS GONE :smile: I DID NOT VISIT AZ FOR AWHILE COZ THE MOMENT YOU OPEN IT..IT'S ALL YEN'S FACE THERE..AT SOME POINT ALL FACES ON COLUMNS ARE HIS..

..BUT NOW IT'S BACK AGAIN... :mad:

IF AZ READS THE "SIGNS" OUT THERE- THEY WOULDN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS MAN(STER)... :rolleyes:

I REALLY WONDER WHY AZ ADMIN CONTINUE TO ENTERTAIN THIS GUY...

POOL WILL BE BETTER WITHOUT HIM..
 
Instead of taking Yen off of AZB, we should encourage/offer members from the BMPAP to write a re-occuring column. Bandido aka Edwin Reyes, would be a good candidate because he posts here all the time. He also seems to be a strong writer.

On one hand it would give an opposing view of the state of pool from thier POV. But on the other hand it could turn out to be an endless back and forth.

It's like when talk show hosts like Jay Leno or Letterman or CNN will have all candidates for an election regardless of thier positions on issues.

Right now with only Yen having a official avenue to the States through AZB, it looks pretty one-sided.

Kano
 
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kano said:
Instead of taking Yen off of AZB, we should encourage/offer members from the BMPAP to write a re-occuring column. Bandido aka Edwin Reyes, would be a good candidate because he posts here all the time. He also seems to be a strong writer.

On one hand it would give an opposing view of the state of pool from thier POV. But on the other hand it could turn out to be an endless back and forth.

It's like when talk show hosts like Jay Leno or Letterman or CNN will have all candidates for an election regardless of thier positions on issues.

Right now with only Yen having a official avenue to the States through AZB, it looks pretty one-sided.

Kano
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Thanks kano. Writing though is one of Yen's strength and that I acknowledge. I don't think that it'll be wise to compose an article in reply to his or on the same topic that we both are embroiled in. It'll just be an endless back and forth battle that eventually will just be looked at as childish bickering. Let's keep that off the front page.

I may, however, do some "player's thoughts articles" of which Yen has no idea of.
 
bandido said:
Thanks kano. Writing though is one of Yen's strength and that I acknowledge. I don't think that it'll be wise to compose an article in reply to his or on the same topic that we both are embroiled in. It'll just be an endless back and forth battle that eventually will just be looked at as childish bickering. Let's keep that off the front page.

I may, however, do some "player's thoughts articles" of which Yen has no idea of.
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Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
-- Sun-tzu, Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)

;)

JAM
 
JAM said:
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.
-- Sun-tzu, Chinese general & military strategist (~400 BC)

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JAM
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lol jam...keep your enemy closer...(maybe to hit them faster hahaha)

edwin and kano are right..it'll just be back and forth if edwin writes something about or against bscp...

i don't see how people in pool world are not outraged by yen's acts..

i'm not even involved in phil "pool" but i have never seen so many pro pool payers bind themselves together against this "pool tyrant"

and our beloved AZB keeps on fronting him...it's silly and cheapens this website which is working so hard to improve all the time..

like i said,,at one point for a long time: it's all yen's face on the frontpage and telling bunch of lies and misleading infos..

when will AZB make a stand on this guy..phil pro players do
 
AZB is an open news site

AZBilliards has no need to defend the presence of Yen Makabenta's column and we do not wish to become embroiled in the arguments of the Philippines which are truly a local matter. We do decry that this dispute seems to have taken on a rather juvenile streak with some resorting to name-calling and emotional appeals that defy logic. (He is taking advantage of the players because he is making money off of them! Well, frankly, why else do promoters run tournaments? If they lost money would they continue to provide the large prize funds the players need or wold tournaments simply go away?)

What cannot be denied is that Mr. Makabenta brought World Championship play to the Philippines when everyone else said that it was not possible. At the conclusion of the WTBC this year Mr. Makabenta will have paid out to pool players more than $1,000,000 in prize money in only three years.

Obviously, Mr. Makabenta has offended the players who belong to the BMPAP. Those players and principals are free to post their positions here in the pages of AZB. But mere name-calling and insulting will not be long tolerated. We present a forum for logical and respectful discussion, not childish tantrums.

AZB respects anyone who takes on the daunting task of running a major tournament and paying excellent prize amounts to the players we all love and respect.
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
AZBilliards has no need to defend the presence of Yen Makabenta's column and we do not wish to become embroiled in the arguments of the Philippines which are truly a local matter. We do decry that this dispute seems to have taken on a rather juvenile streak with some resorting to name-calling and emotional appeals that defy logic. (He is taking advantage of the players because he is making money off of them! Well, frankly, why else do promoters run tournaments? If they lost money would they continue to provide the large prize funds the players need or wold tournaments simply go away?)

What cannot be denied is that Mr. Makabenta brought World Championship play to the Philippines when everyone else said that it was not possible. At the conclusion of the WTBC this year Mr. Makabenta will have paid out to pool players more than $1,000,000 in prize money in only three years.

Obviously, Mr. Makabenta has offended the players who belong to the BMPAP. Those players and principals are free to post their positions here in the pages of AZB. But mere name-calling and insulting will not be long tolerated. We present a forum for logical and respectful discussion, not childish tantrums.

AZB respects anyone who takes on the daunting task of running a major tournament and paying excellent prize amounts to the players we all love and respect.
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excellent post, sir. i agree with this statement.
 
Phillipines

Here is hoping that the Philipinos can resolve their problems. AZ Billiards is source of info for most of us. Censorship will NOT resolve any conflicts - it only promotes bad decisions based on bad information.

Often thoughts are posted which only states one side of a discussion. Hopefullt that will prompt comments from the other viewpoint to help paint the complete picture.

As Jery said, Yen did bring the WPA to the Phillipines and has created a LOT of monty to the players in a short three years.

Often times the argument is about politics and not pool playing. Reminds me of a controversy that I was involved in about 4 years ago. Emotions run high and the truth has a hard time being heard.

Might be best to know a person's perspective before believing everythign they say. But either way, AZ gives the place to say it.

Mark Griffin
 
Jerry Forsyth said:
AZBilliards has no need to defend the presence of Yen Makabenta's column and we do not wish to become embroiled in the arguments of the Philippines which are truly a local matter. We do decry that this dispute seems to have taken on a rather juvenile streak with some resorting to name-calling and emotional appeals that defy logic. (He is taking advantage of the players because he is making money off of them! Well, frankly, why else do promoters run tournaments? If they lost money would they continue to provide the large prize funds the players need or wold tournaments simply go away?)

What cannot be denied is that Mr. Makabenta brought World Championship play to the Philippines when everyone else said that it was not possible. At the conclusion of the WTBC this year Mr. Makabenta will have paid out to pool players more than $1,000,000 in prize money in only three years.

Obviously, Mr. Makabenta has offended the players who belong to the BMPAP. Those players and principals are free to post their positions here in the pages of AZB. But mere name-calling and insulting will not be long tolerated. We present a forum for logical and respectful discussion, not childish tantrums.

AZB respects anyone who takes on the daunting task of running a major tournament and paying excellent prize amounts to the players we all love and respect.
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So you are an owner of AZB now I assume?. I've asked a few times now and no one wants to answer it seems. Did i miss an announcement?
 
are phil. pool players so wrong?? and yen so right

Jerry Forsyth said:
AZBilliards has no need to defend the presence of Yen Makabenta's column and we do not wish to become embroiled in the arguments of the Philippines which are truly a local matter. We do decry that this dispute seems to have taken on a rather juvenile streak with some resorting to name-calling and emotional appeals that defy logic. (He is taking advantage of the players because he is making money off of them! Well, frankly, why else do promoters run tournaments? If they lost money would they continue to provide the large prize funds the players need or wold tournaments simply go away?)

What cannot be denied is that Mr. Makabenta brought World Championship play to the Philippines when everyone else said that it was not possible. At the conclusion of the WTBC this year Mr. Makabenta will have paid out to pool players more than $1,000,000 in prize money in only three years.

Obviously, Mr. Makabenta has offended the players who belong to the BMPAP. Those players and principals are free to post their positions here in the pages of AZB. But mere name-calling and insulting will not be long tolerated. We present a forum for logical and respectful discussion, not childish tantrums.

AZB respects anyone who takes on the daunting task of running a major tournament and paying excellent prize amounts to the players we all love and respect.
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mr. forsythe..let me be frank with you..i have no ax to grind here.. you start to sound like yen,,,you take one portion of a big story and build your case on it..if no one will rebutt you here --you will surely sound like you are so right..

sir..let me be clear with you..nobody that i know of have singlehandedly criticized him and against him just because he's making money off of this pool tours..i am all for that..i myself am a businessman and profit is what keepss our doors open..

noone is doing tantrums here..if anything it sounds like it's you tantruming in behalf of yen,,, i don't want to think that there is something going on between you and yen under the table..i do not know..you know!!!..i do not have ulterior motive in saying what i'm saying...

i think you are a very smart person,,, but it won't take a lot to see how unjust and corrupt yen has become..this man wants to be a dictator and he is power hungry... can't you hear the outcry of so many filipino pool players that has only pure intention and only wants what is best for pool..

to set the records straight..pool in the philippines did not become what it is today because of yen...yen was never a part of this..this yen man is a businessman/politician in nature that thrives in controlling other people and he thought just because he was a major player in bringing wpc in the phil. will give him right to impose and make pro players bow down and swallow the garbage he was trying to push on players mouth...

i believe that wpc would have been eventually held in manila sooner or later without bscp- mainly yen...it was due--players worldwide calling phil. the mecca of pool deserves to host wpc and more... u know that

if there is nothing"fundamentally wrong" with this man--let me ask you this..in the history of phil. pool --there was never an effort such as today of players and pro players binding together to fight this yen man...

and i hope you answer me mr. forsythe: why is it all the pro players are up and arms against mainly this man???(take away yen from BSCP and things will get better)

is it because these pool players, who never bonded in an organization like the one created now- BMPAP, ??-(the likes of reyes , bustamante) who evrybody knows only has pure intent for pool.. are so wrong and yen so right??

it's really hard for somebody that is embroiled in the politics and financial gains with yen can have "just" view of these matters...

i have no nothing to gain here by speaking up against the tyranny of yen... i'm just a person that loved and followed pool since i was small..it was all beautiful until this monster showed up on the scene...

i'd rather wpc not held in manila than for yen to put pool palyers there in subjection to his corrupt ways... many "honest and pure" pool players(meaning its just all about for the love of the game) feel the same way i do that is why they are boycotting yens' stuff... and if you cannot see his corrupt ways--then something is really wrong here...

there is so much truth in this famous qoute: "give me liberty or give me death"
 
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Mark Griffin said:
Here is hoping that the Philipinos can resolve their problems. AZ Billiards is source of info for most of us. Censorship will NOT resolve any conflicts - it only promotes bad decisions based on bad information.

Often thoughts are posted which only states one side of a discussion. Hopefullt that will prompt comments from the other viewpoint to help paint the complete picture.

As Jery said, Yen did bring the WPA to the Phillipines and has created a LOT of monty to the players in a short three years.

Often times the argument is about politics and not pool playing. Reminds me of a controversy that I was involved in about 4 years ago. Emotions run high and the truth has a hard time being heard.

Might be best to know a person's perspective before believing everythign they say. But either way, AZ gives the place to say it.

Mark Griffin
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sir ,,i apologized if i sounded like we need to sensor him,,by no means..

my thought was,,if so many people sees what is wrong with his lies and sweet but deceptive talk..why is AZ is "like" -waving a flag for this mans cause....all four faces on frontpage are his

noone is trying to take away credit from him,,,we give him all that,,,but the enormity of his corruption is something that cannot be ignored... if his wickedness is so petty--phil pro players won't even bother to bind together and go up against this man

think about that...
 
"I may, however, do some "player's thoughts articles" of which Yen has no idea of."




it's a no no brainer why he wouldn't have any idea what players' thoughts are ;)
 
arian dacongan said:
"I may, however, do some "player's thoughts articles" of which Yen has no idea of."


it's a no no brainer why he wouldn't have any idea what players' thoughts are ;)
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That's because he never cared because he was building his empire so that the pool community here will have "no choice" but to follow his lead.

Dec 2007= Yen goes to Germany supposedly as delegation head of the Philippines to the WPC Jrs and Girls. Whatit really was is to meet with Ian Anderson for the World 10Ball Champ Franchise.

Jan-feb2008 Yen's article "10 Ball's time has come" came out. Now he's working on marketing 10-Ball and even mentions Jerry's article. Hmmmm Say bad things about 9-Ball and praise 10-Ball to the high heavens. Sheesh, didn't they have a better marketing strategy?

Yen was also in the middle of the 10M issue where instead of treating us as friends by offering an immediate and polite answer he gets rude and bent out of shape.

Bscp withholds documents sent to players through the BSCP. Players invites from international tournaments and a WADA requirement that Ronnie Alcano needed to submit on a specified deadline. Had Verna not been contacted by the organization who sent it and wondering why Ronnie hasn't submitted such then BSCP would have gotten away with this maliscious action. Ronnie wouldn't have been able to defend his W8-BallC title. That's why, too, they hated players that they can't control and tried to ruin these players Efren, Django and Alex. You saw it all unfold.

All of Yen's and Ernie Fajardo's moves were calculated to build up to a successful World 10 Ball. Yen wanted to be the Barry Hearn of Asia with BSCP as the Matchroom of Asia. His mistake was to try and control the players through his powers as the BSCP Chairman. Even to this date he's still exploiting these very players by promising sponsors that these players will participate. That's why we wrote sponsors telling them to ask for a "Letter of Intent to Participate" and not believe the brag "These players played in my previous tournaments so they'll surely play in the W10BC".

It is not just the BSCP group but there are foreigners that are in cahoots with them. I don't exactly know yet the financial arrangements but we soon will find out as the Senate wants a detailed accounting on both WPCs.

Not to worry Arian, I watch who tries to defend Yen and try to recall relations with Yen. I've a few in my list.
 
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Not to worry Arian, I watch who tries to defend Yen and try to recall relations with Yen. I've a few in my list.
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i did not know all these er,,, you know ,if i get so upset with his coniving,,i will use all my political clout in the senate and current admin. to once and for all do away with yen and cohorts in phil pool scene.....

that may sound arrogant of me..but there is a good cause for that crusade and many legendary pool players and managers in the Phil. will be happy with his elimination...once and for all free from the shackle he's trying to put on these players and managers that have worked so hard in making Phil. pool what it is today!!

i pray i won't get that much involved...

..but i have been able to see also the tracts of " these people" trying accomplish their mal-intent goals....

all who truly loves pool must be a sentinel...
 
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sir,,i do not know if you are unaware of facts,,but this is misleading, much like yen's modus operandi..

..you know that there was no BMPAP prior to all this yens coniving works... BMPAP came to existence to prevent yen from taking over and dictating phil. pool

yen must have gotten-in to some people's pocket for them to overlook and defnd him ...

once again...are all these players - reyes, bustamente, etc. and the likes of Mr. Puyat- in which all these guys have impeccable records of not having involved in any conspiracy--are you telling me they're wrong and baseless... and yen is right???


mr forsythe..can you explain that to all the people who opposes him??
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Jerry Forsyth said:
AZBilliards has no need to defend the presence of Yen Makabenta's column and we do not wish to become embroiled in the arguments of the Philippines which are truly a local matter. We do decry that this dispute seems to have taken on a rather juvenile streak with some resorting to name-calling and emotional appeals that defy logic. (He is taking advantage of the players because he is making money off of them! Well, frankly, why else do promoters run tournaments? If they lost money would they continue to provide the large prize funds the players need or wold tournaments simply go away?)

What cannot be denied is that Mr. Makabenta brought World Championship play to the Philippines when everyone else said that it was not possible. At the conclusion of the WTBC this year Mr. Makabenta will have paid out to pool players more than $1,000,000 in prize money in only three years.

Obviously, Mr. Makabenta has offended the players who belong to the BMPAP. Those players and principals are free to post their positions here in the pages of AZB. But mere name-calling and insulting will not be long tolerated. We present a forum for logical and respectful discussion, not childish tantrums.

AZB respects anyone who takes on the daunting task of running a major tournament and paying excellent prize amounts to the players we all love and respect.
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Tap Tap Tap! one of the most objective post in this issue.
 
From Forsyth

Not that this has anything to do with the thread but one of you asked if I am an owner of AZB. Yes I am. Have been for quite some time now. This has been common knowledge to everyone on AZB and in the pool community.

The only position that Mike and I take on these issues of controversy is that we wish AZB to be used to air them fairly. A logical presentation of facts is always appreciated. Slurs are not.

We feel that BOTH sides of this argument in the Philippines have screwed up royally. We disagree with the action that was taken against Pagulayan and we disagree with the idea of boycotting a World Championship and harming its chances for survival. We believe the players deserve as many chances at fat paydays as they can get, no matter whether they love the person writing the checks or not.

In particular, we disdain the tactics of name-calling because this makes it ever more difficult for the dispute to be resolved, and resolution is the one hope we have that the Philippines can reach the pinnacle that the players and fans there so richly deserve.
 
it's really hard to stay objective and fair when one(general statement) has a vested interest.

you may call it name calling,,but when people like yen perpetrates these kind of unprecedented corruption,,then people will say something..

and people like me who have no vested interest whatsoever will say something and call it for what it is..

if that's name calling...depends on whose side you're on ..i guess

but to not see what yen has tried to do and is trying to do makes people think there is something going on under the table

alex case is just a drop in the bucket but a good example of unprecedented lack of character and completely lack of integrity of yen..

if i were AZB,, i wouldn't have anything to do with those kind of people like yen,,, it does not matter what's on the table...

you get embroiled with their agenda then you become one of them without intergrity..

as a human being..that'sall really we have is integrity and character,,without that you loose your soul
 
arian dacongan said:
it's really hard to stay objective and fair when one(general statement) has a vested interest.

you may call it name calling,,but when people like yen perpetrates these kind of unprecedented corruption,,then people will say something..

and people like me who have no vested interest whatsoever will say something and call it for what it is..

if that's name calling...depends on whose side you're on ..i guess

but to not see what yen has tried to do and is trying to do makes people think there is something going on under the table

alex case is just a drop in the bucket but a good example of unprecedented lack of character and completely lack of integrity of yen..

if i were AZB,, i wouldn't have anything to do with those kind of people like yen,,, it does not matter what's on the table...

you get embroiled with their agenda then you become one of them without intergrity..

as a human being..that'sall really we have is integrity and character,,without that you loose your soul
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I know where you are coming from. :smile:

I too felt just like you about an American pool organization at one time. I thought it was corrupt and practiced discrmination. The organization was not managed well, IMHO, and it definitely was not transparent. It did not treat all members equal either.

I had no problem voicing my opinion about this pool organization at the time, but as time went on, I came to say the Serenity Prayer. The organization eventually shot itself in its own foot, and the damage is done.

Sometimes things happen that you have no say in or power to prevent, and you can only sit back and hope that the offending party puts the noose around their own neck(s).

There is some truth to what I wrote to keep your enemies close to your heart. In the end, the good guys will win. Sometimes it just takes longer than we'd like. :wink:

JAM
 
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