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snookered_again said:
sprayglue is fast, that's why it is used now. The 1908 table I'm working on has no traces of spray glue. It was never used, I found a few tacks, mostly tiny staples. It had no large staples like used in an office or construction style stapler, all tiny ones. I think it was always recovered professionally.

spray-glue might be used under the rails if it helps you . I would not go impregnating my rail cloth with spray glue like you do on your video. not the parts of the cloth that the ball touches. There are lots of fee videos online showing how to staple them in the traditional manor. pool tables far outdate spray glue.

It's not that uncommon for someone to think that because they have had experience that they know best and to continue to do things in the same manor. I believe in lifelong learning but have met many who arent interested in further learning as they feel they now know everything.

I took a course on instructing adults, one difference in teaching adults, especially older adults Is that they tend to need to know "why they need to learn" new things so they will listen to instruction. I found this to be very true and not immediately apparent. It's important then , when teaching adults to let them know why they need to know this, and without that you may see a bunch of glazed over eyes.


Its very common for people to talk over others and in the process of doing so , fail to attain new information. It sounds like your experience has caused you to somewhat block new info from others and instead automatically suggest that you know best. Perhaps its just my perception , maybe so?

If this is part of your personality, likely that will never change. Personally I have learned lots of things from younger people with lesser experience. I work with range of people of different trades and intellects from highly skilled engineers to lowly production workers in factories. I try to never block new knowledge just because of a person's experience, I would take their experience into account, but I try not to put on my blinders.

I tend to take all the info in on a subject that I can from a variety of sources and what I do is use logical reasoning to select my methodology. Oh yes there is definitely a lot of bad advice contained in online video but if you watch many , its surprising what one can learn and accumulate. Yes there is a lot out there which is unprofessional, self advertising gimmics, annoying music etc. Many can be hard to watch.

I try not to let such boundaries hamper my learning abilities. If one finds themselves over-talking others then they tend to also be blocking what they say , and thus hamper their own learning abilities. Its a very common situation especially with elders with outgoing personalities. .

My suggestion is that you try watching a bunch of other people's you-tube videos on how others in the industry recover rails, note the differences in how your approach. I bet if you do you will learn some new things.

It might be unusual for you to hear such a comment. Many will just blink and nod as they have had experiences with dealing with people who know it all , most often they won't be so outward as to say anything about it. I think what is not obvious is that people tend to see right through that and realize that the "know it all" has actually missed a lot due to their inherent lack of ability to listen to others. This can affect the listeners ( or your customer's ) confidence.

You might find yourself blocking what I am saying and trying to use your wealth of experience as a reason. That has an accumulative effect as it makes others realize you have such a learning disability , although they won't call you out on it, they will often nod and think it to themselves as this is considered more polite than being straightforward and giving a response to it.

Looking within to realize that not listening is a personal fault is hard for some to admit, especially to themselves.

I've heard it said in a simple manor, by instructors before, that "If your lips are movin', you ain't learnin'. "

here's a little example of my approach, Most of my career centers around repair of various complex machinery, I have to do a lot of problem solving and diagnosis. If I walk into a situation where an unskilled laborer is operating a machine. I don't consider him on the same level as I am because I have a wealth of experience troubleshooting various machine issues. i have may hours of training and many courses under my belt. He might not even be able to read !

I'll still take the time to ask him what he thinks the cause of the problem is. he's probably so in tune with the machinery that any little difference in noise he will notice. Take the covers off the machine and he is mystified with all the inner workings.
Although he has a very weak technical skill-set I'll still listen and interact with him and get his opinions, I'll note the problems with him, hear his complaints or issues.. when I am done repairs I'll have him or myself demonstrate by operating the equipment, and this methodology will prove to both of us the problem is resolved. I get very few call backs that way. a big part is using my listening ability , another big part is my extensive field experience. Other than fixing the mechanical issue I also like to feel the customer feels he has been heard and have that communication to assure this. This has a lot of affect on the customers satisfaction.

I've seen other experienced techs ignore the operator with the reasoning he's just a production worker so what does he know? I've also seen issues where a fellow highly skilled technical engineer spent all day fixing the incorrect issue due to lack of communication. Try to bill for a situation like that !

If you like to use spray glue to attach the cloth to the slate , you can do that. it is common. I'd keep the spray glue off the rubber side of the rails , I don't think it belongs there.

snooker tables are a different from others because the cloth is different. there are some different approaches and Ive seen some fairly detailed written procedures on how to apply the stretch to attain the best results. I saw one really good video on doing the rails where it was pointed out how to stretch the cloth in order to make the curvature come out without wrinkling and I know some different types of cloth have different stretch characteristics. I dont think there can be a set of blanket instructions that cover all tables well.

To do it right, some differences in technique will apply due to the differences between tables and cloth used. on some tables there is more stretch in the cloth to work with, in some cases there needs to be enough gather in the middle to draw the center pockets down without need for "coverups" There are more than a few a few considerations that may change methodology. The details around that could be an interesting topic.

I think the real purpose of having a public forum is to try to share information freely. a lot seems more like self advertising or some sort of weird attitude about people being right because of a certain amount of experience.. I've met some older people who were conditioned to not share what they coined as "trade secrets" to protect their career or business. I've run into situations where people still thought this way , it can be a generational problem. Daddy taught me not to share the details of my trade to protect my trade.. That sort of attitude can be still prevalent.
I've also learned a lot from people who have a more open attitude towards sharing ideas and info. I prefer the latter myself.

if I'm taught to do things a certain way, what doesnt' resonate with me is because thats how I was shown or because thats the way its done. I tend to need to see the real reasoning behind that choice..

as I do things, I also tend to brainstorm and look for easier ways or try to think of better ways. Often over the course of a longer job ill have my methodology more fine tuned than when I started. If I'm told to do things a certain way I'll tend to wonder why that way is better. I need the "why"
otherwise I experiment and take note on even the most minor differences.

speed is indeed another factor. If I'm at home doing some work on my own table I wont approach things the same as I would if I am on the job being paid out at 200 per hour for my expertise. If I'm on my own doing my own thing I couldn't care less if the job took twice as long. I'm probably quite enjoying it anyway and it is not my bread and butter. This isn't at all the same situation as being hired and watched and compared to other tradespeople on price over production. This will also affect the appropriate methodology taken.
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Its time to give up. Im not a table mechanic yet I even know that using glue on the cloth is the choice way to do an install. Not sure who is using spray glue but good contact cement is brush/roll on. 3M Fastbond 10 or the safe RKC glues are the ones to use.

"It's not that uncommon for someone to think that because they have had experience that they know best and to continue to do things in the same manor. I believe in lifelong learning but have met many who arent interested in further learning as they feel they now know everything."

Practice what you preach, glue is the new and improved way to cover tables. No more having to replace rail wood and slate backing because its all chewed up after several recover jobs.

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I real lots of other posts in this forum and evidently you have a habit of being very rude and it's not only directed at me. Its hard to tell if you are drunk or need a drink or or if its the glue or some people just get mean and rude as they enter their senior years. I've known people from the auto body industry that were affected like this. and also people with lead poisoning they turn angry towards people they are in contact with. you should check with your doctor, this sort of anger is often an early sign of dimensia. some of these things can be tested for.

we were only discussing the method you use to attach cloth to rails and you were spraying glue all over the place in the video. Yes you failed to even use a dropsheet so you couldn't take it outside , so you were working over your own glue fumes unnecessarily until you stripped that cloth. If you just put a piece of paper or plastic down you could let that overspray off-gass outside your work area shop. huffing glue isnt; good for your brain and you are doing this on a continual basis.

no I didn't think you could reuse the cloth on the table underneath after you made a mess all over it. , I was just a bit surprised because anything that soaks through is a mess to clean up or it will cause the next cloth to sit in it.

when a ball hits a rail the cloth shouldn't be glued down to the rubber, it should be able to lift a little or move when balls hit it. if the cloth is stuck down to the rubber then all the crud that penetrates the cloth will get stuck there. chalk and general dust. what will happen is they get dirty on the edges faster and need replacing. this isn't a normal practice.

the two are meant to be independant not bonded together. although you seem to be getting away with that , its just sloppy mickey mouse workmanship.

I'm sure an experienced pool table mechanic would realize the dynamics of that. impregnating the backside of your rail cloth is just poor workmanship and its really unnecessary. If you want to spray that cloth you could at least protect the cloth that covers the cushion from overspray. I'm surprised you failed to understand that.

there probably isn't much point in explaining all this because your mind is closed. you think you know it all to the point where you dont even care to watch a few videos to see how your work compares to other who are professionals and who are doing the same thing.

There is no one so stupid as those who choose to be. You seem to have closed your mind to any new learning opportunities. I hope to never become like that at any age. Ive met many elders who are very kind nice people, a lot of my hobbies involve elders and for the most part I enjoy their company and appreciate that they tend to have some enthusiasm and most are quite kind.

Ive also spent time in care homes and met many who become verbally emotionally and physically abusive. there is no shame in discussing this with your doctor. Your are displaying signs of something not very normal going on. Maybe some is preventable. I have a friend who is looking after someone dying of to much whiskey. he loves the stuff , now hes basically starving, no desire to eat, the doctor says if he doesn't keep drinking he will die, the shock of withdrawl will kill him.

the guy is living in a trailer with my neighbor visiting, hes not even able to make it to the washroom or walk. its a sad situation. I hope you can get a handle on things as I mean no harm. Is discussing the way you glue pool cloth down worth such anger?

you obviously arent; going to listen to me, you could talk with others who are near you, the best is the doctor, he can do some tests, People have a tendency to say "I'm alright" esecailly with mental health issues. Its become clear even just reading your posts. something is wrong. , those close to you may have much better insight. I bet you reject anyone's input at this point.
 
I’ll say this after being a table mechanic for about a decade in my earlier life.

I’ll never begrudge someone for building value in their trade or charging a premium for their personal time and expertise.

But there is a point of diminishing returns here. If you want high quality work and don’t care about money or who’s taking a dump in your home and not flushing then RKC is a fine option.

But there is shit work like what’s pictured in the OP and there’s quality work that even a daily player wouldn’t know much of the difference in. No argument from me that what is pictured in the first post is substandard work.

RKC works in tolerances that don’t really matter. That’s where he’s built his following. The idea that there is some kind of magic in .001 vs. .003 tolerances and if you’re not in the .001 crowd you’re wrong and the table is trash.

There are plenty of great mechanics out there. Many of which are simply installing tables for the average buyer or bought a new table that comes with the in-house crew doing the install as part of the purchase. These are very playable tables. For a tournament you’d definitely want a mechanic or team that is probably more consistent and operating with a higher level of detail.

But idea that the average person here needs to drop an insane amount of money on an install otherwise their table will play like crap is laughable.

This guy has created a demand for tolerances that are mostly irrelevant. But it’s America so if people will pay for it then so be it and those that are suckered into paying the insane prices will defend it to the death.
 
snookered_again said:
I real lots of other posts in this forum and evidently you have a habit of being very rude and it's not only directed at me. Its hard to tell if you are drunk or need a drink or or if its the glue or some people just get mean and rude as they enter their senior years. I've known people from the auto body industry that were affected like this. and also people with lead poisoning they turn angry towards people they are in contact with. you should check with your doctor, this sort of anger is often an early sign of dimensia. some of these things can be tested for.

we were only discussing the method you use to attach cloth to rails and you were spraying glue all over the place in the video. Yes you failed to even use a dropsheet so you couldn't take it outside , so you were working over your own glue fumes unnecessarily until you stripped that cloth. If you just put a piece of paper or plastic down you could let that overspray off-gass outside your work area shop. huffing glue isnt; good for your brain and you are doing this on a continual basis.

no I didn't think you could reuse the cloth on the table underneath after you made a mess all over it. , I was just a bit surprised because anything that soaks through is a mess to clean up or it will cause the next cloth to sit in it.

when a ball hits a rail the cloth shouldn't be glued down to the rubber, it should be able to lift a little or move when balls hit it. if the cloth is stuck down to the rubber then all the crud that penetrates the cloth will get stuck there. chalk and general dust. what will happen is they get dirty on the edges faster and need replacing. this isn't a normal practice.

the two are meant to be independant not bonded together. although you seem to be getting away with that , its just sloppy mickey mouse workmanship.

I'm sure an experienced pool table mechanic would realize the dynamics of that. impregnating the backside of your rail cloth is just poor workmanship and its really unnecessary. If you want to spray that cloth you could at least protect the cloth that covers the cushion from overspray. I'm surprised you failed to understand that.

there probably isn't much point in explaining all this because your mind is closed. you think you know it all to the point where you dont even care to watch a few videos to see how your work compares to other who are professionals and who are doing the same thing.

There is no one so stupid as those who choose to be. You seem to have closed your mind to any new learning opportunities. I hope to never become like that at any age. Ive met many elders who are very kind nice people, a lot of my hobbies involve elders and for the most part I enjoy their company and appreciate that they tend to have some enthusiasm and most are quite kind.

Ive also spent time in care homes and met many who become verbally emotionally and physically abusive. there is no shame in discussing this with your doctor. Your are displaying signs of something not very normal going on. Maybe some is preventable. I have a friend who is looking after someone dying of to much whiskey. he loves the stuff , now hes basically starving, no desire to eat, the doctor says if he doesn't keep drinking he will die, the shock of withdrawl will kill him.

the guy is living in a trailer with my neighbor visiting, hes not even able to make it to the washroom or walk. its a sad situation. I hope you can get a handle on things as I mean no harm. Is discussing the way you glue pool cloth down worth such anger?

you obviously arent; going to listen to me, you could talk with others who are near you, the best is the doctor, he can do some tests, People have a tendency to say "I'm alright" esecailly with mental health issues. Its become clear even just reading your posts. something is wrong. , those close to you may have much better insight. I bet you reject anyone's input at this point.
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I don't give a shit about your life stories, show me where I put sprayglue on the cushions? The cloth on the slate I was spraygluing the rails on was the cloth being replaced, as it was worn out. It serves as a great work surface to recover the rails!!

SHOW ME WHERE I GOT SPRAYGLUE ON THE CUSHIONS!!!
 
realkingcobra said:
I don't give a shit about your life stories, show me where I put sprayglue on the cushions? The cloth on the slate I was spraygluing the rails on was the cloth being replaced, as it was worn out. It serves as a great work surface to recover the rails!!

SHOW ME WHERE I GOT SPRAYGLUE ON THE CUSHIONS!!!
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Bishop said:
I’ll say this after being a table mechanic for about a decade in my earlier life.

I’ll never begrudge someone for building value in their trade or charging a premium for their personal time and expertise.

But there is a point of diminishing returns here. If you want high quality work and don’t care about money or who’s taking a dump in your home and not flushing then RKC is a fine option.

But there is shit work like what’s pictured in the OP and there’s quality work that even a daily player wouldn’t know much of the difference in. No argument from me that what is pictured in the first post is substandard work.

RKC works in tolerances that don’t really matter. That’s where he’s built his following. The idea that there is some kind of magic in .001 vs. .003 tolerances and if you’re not in the .001 crowd you’re wrong and the table is trash.

There are plenty of great mechanics out there. Many of which are simply installing tables for the average buyer or bought a new table that comes with the in-house crew doing the install as part of the purchase. These are very playable tables. For a tournament you’d definitely want a mechanic or team that is probably more consistent and operating with a higher level of detail.

But idea that the average person here needs to drop an insane amount of money on an install otherwise their table will play like crap is laughable.

This guy has created a demand for tolerances that are mostly irrelevant. But it’s America so if people will pay for it then so be it and those that are suckered into paying the insane prices will defend it to the death.
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First off, I don't take "dumps" in customers homes, could be tempted to if I don't like you, but if that was the case, you wouldn't have been able to hire me in the first place. As far as sky-high prices, I have no idea what that means, I charge fair rates, and even cheaper than a lot of my competitors, difference is, my work is not junk.

If you're talking about my prices to rebuild rails as well as tables, they're much less than the cost of buying a new table, and that price depends on what I'm having to rebuild
I charge $550 to recover 7ft Diamonds with 860HR and $600 for Diamond 9fts. I charge $400 for standard Valley bar tables using Strachan Superweave, which also happens to include scraping off all the spray glue, vacuuming out the table, and leveling it, NO EXTRA charge.

So, I'm extremely high priced? No, I'm just not working for a hacks labor rate!
 
Bishop said:
I’ll say this after being a table mechanic for about a decade in my earlier life.

I’ll never begrudge someone for building value in their trade or charging a premium for their personal time and expertise.

But there is a point of diminishing returns here. If you want high quality work and don’t care about money or who’s taking a dump in your home and not flushing then RKC is a fine option.

But there is shit work like what’s pictured in the OP and there’s quality work that even a daily player wouldn’t know much of the difference in. No argument from me that what is pictured in the first post is substandard work.

RKC works in tolerances that don’t really matter. That’s where he’s built his following. The idea that there is some kind of magic in .001 vs. .003 tolerances and if you’re not in the .001 crowd you’re wrong and the table is trash.

There are plenty of great mechanics out there. Many of which are simply installing tables for the average buyer or bought a new table that comes with the in-house crew doing the install as part of the purchase. These are very playable tables. For a tournament you’d definitely want a mechanic or team that is probably more consistent and operating with a higher level of detail.

But idea that the average person here needs to drop an insane amount of money on an install otherwise their table will play like crap is laughable.

This guy has created a demand for tolerances that are mostly irrelevant. But it’s America so if people will pay for it then so be it and those that are suckered into paying the insane prices will defend it to the death.
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Glen is a great guy.
Are you saying he took a dump in your house and didn't flush?
 
snookered_again said:
sprayglue is fast, that's why it is used now. The 1908 table I'm working on has no traces of spray glue. It was never used, I found a few tacks, mostly tiny staples. It had no large staples like used in an office or construction style stapler, all tiny ones. I think it was always recovered professionally.

spray-glue might be used under the rails if it helps you . I would not go impregnating my rail cloth with spray glue like you do on your video. not the parts of the cloth that the ball touches. There are lots of fee videos online showing how to staple them in the traditional manor. pool tables far outdate spray glue.

It's not that uncommon for someone to think that because they have had experience that they know best and to continue to do things in the same manor. I believe in lifelong learning but have met many who arent interested in further learning as they feel they now know everything.

I took a course on instructing adults, one difference in teaching adults, especially older adults Is that they tend to need to know "why they need to learn" new things so they will listen to instruction. I found this to be very true and not immediately apparent. It's important then , when teaching adults to let them know why they need to know this, and without that you may see a bunch of glazed over eyes.


Its very common for people to talk over others and in the process of doing so , fail to attain new information. It sounds like your experience has caused you to somewhat block new info from others and instead automatically suggest that you know best. Perhaps its just my perception , maybe so?

If this is part of your personality, likely that will never change. Personally I have learned lots of things from younger people with lesser experience. I work with range of people of different trades and intellects from highly skilled engineers to lowly production workers in factories. I try to never block new knowledge just because of a person's experience, I would take their experience into account, but I try not to put on my blinders.

I tend to take all the info in on a subject that I can from a variety of sources and what I do is use logical reasoning to select my methodology. Oh yes there is definitely a lot of bad advice contained in online video but if you watch many , its surprising what one can learn and accumulate. Yes there is a lot out there which is unprofessional, self advertising gimmics, annoying music etc. Many can be hard to watch.

I try not to let such boundaries hamper my learning abilities. If one finds themselves over-talking others then they tend to also be blocking what they say , and thus hamper their own learning abilities. Its a very common situation especially with elders with outgoing personalities. .

My suggestion is that you try watching a bunch of other people's you-tube videos on how others in the industry recover rails, note the differences in how your approach. I bet if you do you will learn some new things.

It might be unusual for you to hear such a comment. Many will just blink and nod as they have had experiences with dealing with people who know it all , most often they won't be so outward as to say anything about it. I think what is not obvious is that people tend to see right through that and realize that the "know it all" has actually missed a lot due to their inherent lack of ability to listen to others. This can affect the listeners ( or your customer's ) confidence.

You might find yourself blocking what I am saying and trying to use your wealth of experience as a reason. That has an accumulative effect as it makes others realize you have such a learning disability , although they won't call you out on it, they will often nod and think it to themselves as this is considered more polite than being straightforward and giving a response to it.

Looking within to realize that not listening is a personal fault is hard for some to admit, especially to themselves.

I've heard it said in a simple manor, by instructors before, that "If your lips are movin', you ain't learnin'. "

here's a little example of my approach, Most of my career centers around repair of various complex machinery, I have to do a lot of problem solving and diagnosis. If I walk into a situation where an unskilled laborer is operating a machine. I don't consider him on the same level as I am because I have a wealth of experience troubleshooting various machine issues. i have may hours of training and many courses under my belt. He might not even be able to read !

I'll still take the time to ask him what he thinks the cause of the problem is. he's probably so in tune with the machinery that any little difference in noise he will notice. Take the covers off the machine and he is mystified with all the inner workings.
Although he has a very weak technical skill-set I'll still listen and interact with him and get his opinions, I'll note the problems with him, hear his complaints or issues.. when I am done repairs I'll have him or myself demonstrate by operating the equipment, and this methodology will prove to both of us the problem is resolved. I get very few call backs that way. a big part is using my listening ability , another big part is my extensive field experience. Other than fixing the mechanical issue I also like to feel the customer feels he has been heard and have that communication to assure this. This has a lot of affect on the customers satisfaction.

I've seen other experienced techs ignore the operator with the reasoning he's just a production worker so what does he know? I've also seen issues where a fellow highly skilled technical engineer spent all day fixing the incorrect issue due to lack of communication. Try to bill for a situation like that !

If you like to use spray glue to attach the cloth to the slate , you can do that. it is common. I'd keep the spray glue off the rubber side of the rails , I don't think it belongs there.

snooker tables are a different from others because the cloth is different. there are some different approaches and Ive seen some fairly detailed written procedures on how to apply the stretch to attain the best results. I saw one really good video on doing the rails where it was pointed out how to stretch the cloth in order to make the curvature come out without wrinkling and I know some different types of cloth have different stretch characteristics. I dont think there can be a set of blanket instructions that cover all tables well.

To do it right, some differences in technique will apply due to the differences between tables and cloth used. on some tables there is more stretch in the cloth to work with, in some cases there needs to be enough gather in the middle to draw the center pockets down without need for "coverups" There are more than a few a few considerations that may change methodology. The details around that could be an interesting topic.

I think the real purpose of having a public forum is to try to share information freely. a lot seems more like self advertising or some sort of weird attitude about people being right because of a certain amount of experience.. I've met some older people who were conditioned to not share what they coined as "trade secrets" to protect their career or business. I've run into situations where people still thought this way , it can be a generational problem. Daddy taught me not to share the details of my trade to protect my trade.. That sort of attitude can be still prevalent.
I've also learned a lot from people who have a more open attitude towards sharing ideas and info. I prefer the latter myself.

if I'm taught to do things a certain way, what doesnt' resonate with me is because thats how I was shown or because thats the way its done. I tend to need to see the real reasoning behind that choice..

as I do things, I also tend to brainstorm and look for easier ways or try to think of better ways. Often over the course of a longer job ill have my methodology more fine tuned than when I started. If I'm told to do things a certain way I'll tend to wonder why that way is better. I need the "why"
otherwise I experiment and take note on even the most minor differences.

speed is indeed another factor. If I'm at home doing some work on my own table I wont approach things the same as I would if I am on the job being paid out at 200 per hour for my expertise. If I'm on my own doing my own thing I couldn't care less if the job took twice as long. I'm probably quite enjoying it anyway and it is not my bread and butter. This isn't at all the same situation as being hired and watched and compared to other tradespeople on price over production. This will also affect the appropriate methodology taken.
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If this is directed at RKC it took you a very long time with a lot of words to say the most ignorant thing I've seen on here in a long time.

May God have mercy on your soul, because RKC will NOT
 
snookered_again said:
I real lots of other posts in this forum and evidently you have a habit of being very rude and it's not only directed at me. Its hard to tell if you are drunk or need a drink or or if its the glue or some people just get mean and rude as they enter their senior years. I've known people from the auto body industry that were affected like this. and also people with lead poisoning they turn angry towards people they are in contact with. you should check with your doctor, this sort of anger is often an early sign of dimensia. some of these things can be tested for.

we were only discussing the method you use to attach cloth to rails and you were spraying glue all over the place in the video. Yes you failed to even use a dropsheet so you couldn't take it outside , so you were working over your own glue fumes unnecessarily until you stripped that cloth. If you just put a piece of paper or plastic down you could let that overspray off-gass outside your work area shop. huffing glue isnt; good for your brain and you are doing this on a continual basis.

no I didn't think you could reuse the cloth on the table underneath after you made a mess all over it. , I was just a bit surprised because anything that soaks through is a mess to clean up or it will cause the next cloth to sit in it.

when a ball hits a rail the cloth shouldn't be glued down to the rubber, it should be able to lift a little or move when balls hit it. if the cloth is stuck down to the rubber then all the crud that penetrates the cloth will get stuck there. chalk and general dust. what will happen is they get dirty on the edges faster and need replacing. this isn't a normal practice.

the two are meant to be independant not bonded together. although you seem to be getting away with that , its just sloppy mickey mouse workmanship.

I'm sure an experienced pool table mechanic would realize the dynamics of that. impregnating the backside of your rail cloth is just poor workmanship and its really unnecessary. If you want to spray that cloth you could at least protect the cloth that covers the cushion from overspray. I'm surprised you failed to understand that.

there probably isn't much point in explaining all this because your mind is closed. you think you know it all to the point where you dont even care to watch a few videos to see how your work compares to other who are professionals and who are doing the same thing.

There is no one so stupid as those who choose to be. You seem to have closed your mind to any new learning opportunities. I hope to never become like that at any age. Ive met many elders who are very kind nice people, a lot of my hobbies involve elders and for the most part I enjoy their company and appreciate that they tend to have some enthusiasm and most are quite kind.

Ive also spent time in care homes and met many who become verbally emotionally and physically abusive. there is no shame in discussing this with your doctor. Your are displaying signs of something not very normal going on. Maybe some is preventable. I have a friend who is looking after someone dying of to much whiskey. he loves the stuff , now hes basically starving, no desire to eat, the doctor says if he doesn't keep drinking he will die, the shock of withdrawl will kill him.

the guy is living in a trailer with my neighbor visiting, hes not even able to make it to the washroom or walk. its a sad situation. I hope you can get a handle on things as I mean no harm. Is discussing the way you glue pool cloth down worth such anger?

you obviously arent; going to listen to me, you could talk with others who are near you, the best is the doctor, he can do some tests, People have a tendency to say "I'm alright" esecailly with mental health issues. Its become clear even just reading your posts. something is wrong. , those close to you may have much better insight. I bet you reject anyone's input at this point.
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Nice trolling - nobody can be this stupid.
 
maha said:
i love it, finally a thread where some are actually praising glen as a person.
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realkingcobra said:
First off, I don't take "dumps" in customers homes, could be tempted to if I don't like you, but if that was the case, you wouldn't have been able to hire me in the first place. As far as sky-high prices, I have no idea what that means, I charge fair rates, and even cheaper than a lot of my competitors, difference is, my work is not junk.

If you're talking about my prices to rebuild rails as well as tables, they're much less than the cost of buying a new table, and that price depends on what I'm having to rebuild
I charge $550 to recover 7ft Diamonds with 860HR and $600 for Diamond 9fts. I charge $400 for standard Valley bar tables using Strachan Superweave, which also happens to include scraping off all the spray glue, vacuuming out the table, and leveling it, NO EXTRA charge.

So, I'm extremely high priced? No, I'm just not working for a hacks labor rate!
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Price is more than fair...or should I say very in-bounds. How about one and done. Buy once cry once... I have to recover for the 3rd time as the first 2 jobs are slop and rushed. Spray was used the first time. The cloth started peeling immediately as Glen said it would.
Un-flushed Dumps?.... No Pun...you ain't shittin' ...there's nothing like an upper decker...
Once again.... nobody has to agree or like Glen but he'll be there if you need info/advice. He'll share with pleasure. He is the 1 2call.
 
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