You snooze you loose
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Fast Lenny said:Here is a situation I had yesterday where I asked the TD what the other player was rated and he said the same as me so we both had to go to 5 games playing 9 ball.He gets up at 4-2 and I play it to make it hill-hill and say good luck.He says to me is there a spot,I said no since your rated the same and he said he was one rating lower but keep in mind he moved his coin to 4 and had me rack the balls and play to hill-hill,we played the last rack and I won 5-4.A few minutes later he comes and get me and says the TD wants to talk to me and then he makes the judgement I won.He later remarked that he would not make the same choice again but he said we played even when I asked him before the match,my opponent moved his coin to 4 instead of shaking my hand and then we played 3 more games,it was a weird situation,I ended up taking 3rd.
LOL...I had sort of the same thing happen to me....I did not know the guy I was playing and it was a -3 (under handicap race)...
I asked the guy "what are you going to tonight?" He said "6" I figured he was a 9 rated player....I was up 5-0 and (as usual) I start playing a bit lazy...I figured the guy was having an off night and I was running out from everywhere....I shot myself out of line and went for the next shot anyway figuring I had a 5 game buffer...I end up leaving a 3 ball out and then he snapped a 9-ball...He then dry breaks but leaves me no shot...I push out...He fires a bank shot that caroms off a ball and hits the 9-ball knocking it in...I get up and start racking and he walks over to shake my hand....I thought he was just apologizing for crapping in the 9-ball so I shake his hand and continue racking....I go sit back down and he is now breaking down his cues...I was like "what is going on"....He looks at me and says..."I am only a 6" ....All I could say was "really....."
Live and learn....Live and learn...:smile:
i was playing a small bar box tournament one time (race to 2) when someone pulled something similar on me.
I won the first game, he won the second game. After the second game he comes and shakes my hand and tells me that's it. There was no question in my mind that I won the first game. We got into it a bit and finally the director came over to resolve the issue. Because he was not watching, he stated that we just start the race over completely.
Ends up, the guy wins the next game and I win the next two. If he had simply been honest and kept his mouth shut, he would have won the match. He got what he deserved, and I went on to win the tournament!
Karma is a *****.
I won the first game, he won the second game. After the second game he comes and shakes my hand and tells me that's it. There was no question in my mind that I won the first game. We got into it a bit and finally the director came over to resolve the issue. Because he was not watching, he stated that we just start the race over completely.
Ends up, the guy wins the next game and I win the next two. If he had simply been honest and kept his mouth shut, he would have won the match. He got what he deserved, and I went on to win the tournament!
Karma is a *****.
back2good1 said:
BS is right.... thats when you pick up your cash and end the match.... and tell everyone you know not to play that guy...
the score is the score.. marked or not.. anyone paying attention. knows the score...
unless they were TEXTING!!!!!... but thats another thread...
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It sometimes seems like all tournaments have different rules. To be sucessful at tournament play you need to know an adhere to the rules at all times. The rules are placed there for your protection. It is your responcibility to make sure your opponent follows the same rules you do. There are cheaters in pool but what would you rather be a cheater or a player?????????????????
Pinocchio
It sometimes seems like all tournaments have different rules. To be sucessful at tournament play you need to know an adhere to the rules at all times. The rules are placed there for your protection. It is your responcibility to make sure your opponent follows the same rules you do. There are cheaters in pool but what would you rather be a cheater or a player?????????????????
Pinocchio
back2good1 said:
It seems from the content of some recent posts that the unclear wording of the bolded section above from the original post, several pages later, might still be leading some people to think that the Tournament Director (Dennis) made a ruling that the score should stand at 1-1 which I have to admit is exactly what I thought the original poster meant until the content of another post from him later in the thread clarified that the TD had ruled 2-1.
Clearly I'm not the only one who thought the original poster meant that Dennis had insisted it was 1-1 and that "you snooze you loose applies" and that the "nice decision Dennis" was sarcasm.
Yes
I thought that too!
Carlos..........Please clarify! What did Dennis rule? I hardly slept last night thinking about Dennis' unfair call.
I had a nightmare that Steve Tobias told me that I lose, no matter what anyone said! LOL.
Ray
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memikey said:
I thought that too!
Carlos..........Please clarify! What did Dennis rule? I hardly slept last night thinking about Dennis' unfair call.
I had a nightmare that Steve Tobias told me that I lose, no matter what anyone said! LOL.
Ray
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Posts #1 and #19 are clearly in conflict with each other. (Both written by the OP).
The director makes opposite calls in these posts. What really happened? (Please be clear, this is the internet)
The director makes opposite calls in these posts. What really happened? (Please be clear, this is the internet)
Bigtruck said:Lewis,
I agree 100% that coin funny business goes on in gambling, but we are talking about a tournament here that has a TD that makes a call on the situation.
Here, in Texas, a fair, common sense call will be made. Most of the time.
Unless you're playing in the Fast Eddies 9 ball Tour, then watch your arse!! LOL. Especially when that Paul guy makes a call!! J/K Paul.
You guys are the best Lewis! If everyone ran their event like you & Paul, pool would have a better image.
Ray
"Bad call Dennis" IMO
We really do have a good group on this tour. In almost 7 years we have had few serious arguments and I have had to get between two people only once. Most of the time though if you confront one on what he has tried to pull, he will back down and do what is right.
Often though, people just get a bit confused. I have done it and once explained to me, I concede and want to do what is right.Once playing HIllbilly in the finals over in Beaumont, he was leadin 8-7 going to 9. I won the game and moved his coin back one, just playing with him and thought he saw me. He didn't though and right in the middle of his shot he stood up and gave me the funniest look. The whole crowd saw what I did and the look he gave was just hilariousHe called me a b***hole and then ran out and beat me. The laugh was then on me.
I always
tell the opponent to mark it up. I am not going to cheat someone out of a game.
On the other hand, I had an opponent mark one up when he didn't win the previous game, and then try to say it was already that way. That cost me the match in a tournament, and I was really pissed about it.
tell the opponent to mark it up. I am not going to cheat someone out of a game.
On the other hand, I had an opponent mark one up when he didn't win the previous game, and then try to say it was already that way. That cost me the match in a tournament, and I was really pissed about it.
memikey said:
Sorry if I was clear as mud.... I thought I mentioned it in a later post. Dennis had each player acknowledge that the score was 2-1. Then he made them make the coins reflect the true score (2-1)before they could proceed.
Great point and I think the line must be drawn somewhere. Further, the logical line is next game's start.Cuebacca said:
Bigtruck said:I know why y'all have such a hard time keeping score. It's that coin thing.
I have a much simpler way to keep score.........never had an argument!!
Too funny... I hope its a short race.
I guess I should clarify my position on this, as some of you misinterpreted what I posted. I, myself, would not do what player B did in this instance, anyone who knows me well at all will tell you so.
However, if player A had adjusted the score when he should have, which he was responsible for, we would not be having this discussion. Again, both players are responsible for knowing the score and checking at the end of the rack/game with the opponent to insure that it is correct.
The tone of this thread is that player B was wrong to insist the score remain at 1-1, which is true. But, player A should have adjusted the score before racking the balls, which, as I see it, would have resulted in no argument.
It is the players' responsibility!
And, it's "If you sooze, you lose.", not loose.
However, if player A had adjusted the score when he should have, which he was responsible for, we would not be having this discussion. Again, both players are responsible for knowing the score and checking at the end of the rack/game with the opponent to insure that it is correct.
The tone of this thread is that player B was wrong to insist the score remain at 1-1, which is true. But, player A should have adjusted the score before racking the balls, which, as I see it, would have resulted in no argument.
It is the players' responsibility!
And, it's "If you sooze, you lose.", not loose.
my .02
Well, this is what I heard/saw
When the situation went down, the TD (Dennis) brought the question over to Scott Frost. The guy that pulled the move said, "Scott you know that when your gambling, and 5 games later your opponent says, oh yeah I forgot to move my coin, you would say F that!" Scott basically said "Maybe thats true but this is a Tournament, race to 3, and you both agree that he won the LAST game." Dennis agreed that was the ruling was the opponent gets the game.
Thats what I remember. Dennis didn't do anything wrong, it was the guy pulling the move.
Well, this is what I heard/saw
When the situation went down, the TD (Dennis) brought the question over to Scott Frost. The guy that pulled the move said, "Scott you know that when your gambling, and 5 games later your opponent says, oh yeah I forgot to move my coin, you would say F that!" Scott basically said "Maybe thats true but this is a Tournament, race to 3, and you both agree that he won the LAST game." Dennis agreed that was the ruling was the opponent gets the game.
Thats what I remember. Dennis didn't do anything wrong, it was the guy pulling the move.