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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

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vintagecollectibles831 said:
Curious, do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

Makes me wonder, lets say you have 2 650 Fargo rate players, who only ever competed locally, in the cities where they lived.

Then, they eventually meet up, and play against each other in some big regional event, but their speeds seem to be very different.

The number 650 was just an example. It could even be like two 500 Fargo players, for example.

The same question goes for Ladies who mostly only compete against other ladies. Would a 650 Female player consistently run fairly even with a 650 Male player? I know, this argument has probably come up a lot, and I understand that Siming Chen for example, competed against a very strong Pro from FL, and beat him multiple sets, for the money.

Anyways, back to my original question, and the reason I ask is because I have seen some 650 Fargo players, for example, that I did not think should have a 650 rating. In those cases, they just did not look strong enough to be a 650. But, I guess they must have been, for some reason, or maybe I just seen them on a bad day.

Thanks for any thoughts.
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Recently, I drew a guy in a one pocket tournament that was a 475, but I don't think his robustness was all that high. I beat him, but it was MUCH harder than it should be for a 475. If I was to estimate his speed, I would put him at 600-630. Even though I won, and was the last 600-ish player left in the event, my fargo was trashed.

I think Fargo is the best handicapping system by far. However, I also think it has greater inaccuracy when it comes to measuring one-pocket skill level.

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Lowell said:
Yeah because now it can at least be in the background at bars and restaurants, while now nobody who isn't interested in pool is going to be exposed to pro pool at all.
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that's a massive factor for growth, if your not interested in pool you aren't going to buy a streaming service to watch it, but if it's on a service you already have there is a chance you turn it on and think I actually like this, only way to get new fans.

I first watched 9 ball when it was something nobody in the UK had really heard of as it was on Sky Sports and the fact it had snooker players in it grabbed my attention (wasn't great for Europes chances of winning, but in terms of drawing audiences having snooker players represent Europe was a masterstroke of marketing).
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

gregcantrall
CocoboloCowboy said:
spent
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Well my ledger or account shows that my competition on the fields of friendly strife was profitable. However the per hour invested proofed the recreational status.
The memories are the true treasures. The money barely covered my bar tabs. 🤷‍♂️
Gotta quote Coach McHargue again. "We play to have fun. It's easier to have fun when you win."
So when I do lose I strive to be happy for my opponent. Especially if it's a much lower Fargorate player. Yeah Real Effing Happy at times. 😉
A favorite memory is the time I just couldn't find my focus and lost to a young man that was a beginner. I was in a self depreciating funk as I extended my hand to feign congratulations. The young player obviously knew my number and was so happy that he stepped inside my extended hand and HUGGED ME!!! The Hug did bring a Real Smile and helped me get over myself and be truly happy for his success.
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Do you ever get the feeling that the Fargo Rate of a player just does not seem right?

gregcantrall
The Fargo number is a reflection of how you have fared against players in the system. That allows a person to estimate how they might fare in a given match. The robustness is an indicator of potential accuracy of the estimate.
So if you were present only for my one victory against a 725 you might think I am under rated. And of course the one time I lost to a 350 would be the other end of that swing.
My ego doesn't like my punny number. I just remind myself that it's just an indicator of past performance. So I used to avoid learning my opponents number before a match as The Fear Factor is huge.
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JAM said:
I wonder who the commentators will be. Will they be our regulars, e.g., Karl Boyes, Jeremy Jones, Scott Frost, and Phil Yates, or will ESPN bring in its own broadcast team?

The players also have to remember they're on mainstream television. We've all heard the occasional outburst on live streams over the years, but cursing on camera won't be a good look for a national audience.

Just as important, the broadcasts need to showcase the players' personalities. Great sports coverage isn't just about the competition; it's about giving viewers someone to connect with and root for.

I had never paid attention to Norway's national soccer team, much less soccer, until the recent FIFA World Cup 2026. Now I'm watching every match because of Erling Haaland, those flowing blond locks, his larger-than-life presence, and the Norwegian fans chanting, "Ro, Ro, Ro, Ro." That's how you create new fans. Norway has a tough one coming up, facing Brazil on July 5th. I'm now a virtual soccer railbird, thanks to the coverage on TV. I'd never heard of Erling before, until now.

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Pool has plenty of talented, charismatic players. WNT through ESPN has a real opportunity to introduce them to a much larger audience and leave viewers wanting more. My picks for bios and/or personality are Joshua for his dedication since childhood, Shane overcoming a handicap and going to the top, Soufi's journey to Europe from Syria, Kaci just because his presence is striking with his Albanian game face like he taking no prisoners, Alex Pagulayan because of his charisma on and off the table, Oscar Dominguez and his rich history in the pool world via his dad and Hard Times. I could go on and on.
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he's a freak of nature. but yea now that sweden's out i will root for him and for norway even though it pains a bit.

the mosconi commentary is great as it is with scott, JJ and karl.
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JAM said:
I wonder who the commentators will be. Will they be our regulars, e.g., Karl Boyes, Jeremy Jones, Scott Frost, and Phil Yates, or will ESPN bring in its own broadcast team?
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I watched the windows open show and Mike P was saying ESPN (actually ESPN+) is just picking up the MR stream and broadcasting it. So most likely it'll be the usual cast of characters and same production.
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