Anyone know how the scoring works? it looked like they were getting between 3-5 points for a game win.

I did 45 minutes each way to play BCA in suburban Atlanta years ago. Played for about 5 years.

It doesn't even look like a Balabushka!

I play in 2 leagues each an hour 1 way.

I worked in the bay area for 20+ years and commuted an hour each way most of that time. Easy day.

Black-Balled said:

I think a direct contribution would be used.

I don't want any of the prizes, even to sell, and would rather leave those to folks that would appreciate them.

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See below. They are setting up a direct contribution option.

Also, an update on the status so far.

And now Ramin wood and many others in that genus are critically endangered.
Who would of thought?

Prize money is so stupid.

Quarter finalist only gets $22,000?

If I was a top player, I wouldn't bother with these events.

Bob Jewett said:

The problem is that refs and players make mistakes. Most players play the large majority of their games without a ref and without deep knowledge of the rules. Add a ref, and you change the flow of the game and suddenly add rules that the players never apply in unreffed games. I can remember questionable calls in the last few years that had viewers screaming at their screens. And good calls that champion players decried as bogus.

In an ideal world, the players would follow all of the rules all of the time and the refs would never make a mistake.

I suspect the "least friction" path was chosen.

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if so, the commentators were all wrong about the ref. wu should have warned felix himself, as the ref said. so then comes the other question; if you make three fouls and the opponent doesn't warn you on the second, doesn't even realize you have then three fouled.. what's the right thing to do, in terms of sportmanship?

not saying felix did wrong, he possibly was unaware himself (which can sometimes happen when one foul is a scratch/break foul and the others are failed safety returns).

garczar said:

Some of these are not JOSS made cues. Falcon made some of them. If it doesn't say JOSS and has a 18thread pin its a Falcon made cue.

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Only the ones I stated are Joss are Joss, as stated in the catalog.

garczar said:

There are two Kao co's, KaoKao, the one you're referring to, and KaoFa. I've seen both and KaoFa's stuff is nicer. Their Awens custom line is really nice.

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Yes, I know. That's why I often just say Kao, because I mix them up so easily.

You know more about that than me.

vintagecollectibles831 said:

I see. Very nice cue. The point I was trying to make is that, with Adam cues, the quality seemed to go down hill, after the mid 90's, at least for awhile. Not sure. But those 97, and 98 Series Helmstetter cues just did not look that good Uneven points and lop sided inlays. Here is a 86-16 Helmstetter that I had. The 86 series were very nice. Fairly even points, and really good inlay work, I think. The 97 series just looked like garbage, in comparison. Playing with both, I could really notice a big difference too. I felt that the older Helmstetter cues played far nicer.

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Adam Cues subcontracted production out of Japan starting in the mid-1990s, and the licensed Balabushka replica cues were shifted to off-shore manufacturing.

1995 – 1998 (The Move to China & Taiwan): Due to rising Japanese labor costs, Adam began outsourcing the majority of its mid-tier production. Standard Adam cues and the lower-end Balabushka models shifted production to China and Taiwan. The mid-90s to mid-2000s outsourcing contract was not given to the Kao Factory. Instead, the bulk of Adam's outsourced production was sent to the Taican (Universal) factory. I said Kao, my mistake.

After 2007 the original Japanese factory scaled down to strictly producing Adam's ultra-premium, high-end boutique Musashi cues, while 100% of standard production permanently moved to China.

1969 – 1995 was sort of the golden era for the original Adam many of us remember and love. The early first catalog cues are legendary with pointed pins and aluminum shaft inserts.

My Kao confusion is due to remembering Harold Miller, the former sales manager for Adam Cues. He later used the Kao Kao factory to manufacture high-end "Cobra Professional" import cues. The Mizerak Professional Series cues were made at that same factory under a deal with Mizerak. These lines directly rivaled the construction of Adam cues.

CanadianGuy said:

same thing with Wu reinventing himself on these tables

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haven't seen him for years. when the pandemic hit he switched to heyball for a bit, but that was a while ago. he's a freak of nature