jay helfert said:

Keith is not in this photo.

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Yeah. Guy on the left dun look anything like him.

straightline said:

Somebody said 50K was side action. Unless Dominguez covered all that, he lost tip money if that.

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If you were looking to pull shenanigans you'd want to not post all of your end especially if you knew the other side would 100% pay off theirs if they lost post/no post. If you are planning on shenanigans if you lose you'd fire an air barrel and take a game when you have the worst of it without the intention of paying off in full maybe with a built in excuse the entire time. Either way the more people involved gave BOTH sides more incentive to Post everything.

The Twilight Zone episode with the "rich" dude betting he won't talk for an entire year should be a lesson for ANYONE BETTING ON ANYTHING to make sure BOTH sides POST!

Unless Dominguez covered all that, he lost tip money... if that.

penguin said:

Why wasn't all the money posted?

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From what has been said online, the original $30k was posted on each side. Additional money was added later and not posted.

middleofnowhere said:

There's a few more of those videos by Porter with a lot of pictures I've been trying to find them I can't seem to find them but I'm sure somebody on here knows links to them.

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Here's another one I found, this one from the 1986 Clyde Childress Pool Tournament.

GideonF said:

Yeah, that could be what happened. My point is that I don’t think that avenue should be open to them. If you know and play, it’s too late to complain later IMO

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That's matching up for cash. 'Course being uninvolved helps the analysis. lol.

straightline said:

If they knew, they mighta just gone ahead and played through. They win, they win. They lose, they call foul.

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Yeah, that could be what happened. My point is that I don’t think that avenue should be open to them. If you know and play, it’s too late to complain later IMO

You need to consider seating and tables for the customers too. And the dimensions of the room too (is it perfectly square? A rectangle? Or with odd dimensions? any poles or other obstacles).

Also, square footage and room measurements in real estate are often unreliable. I’d measure every thing myself.

Further consideration is that the using minimum distance between tables will mean people often have to wait for the other players to shoot. May not bother casual players but serious players won’t love it.

A good architect or designer with CAD could probably help a great deal.

If the rails were playing different any pro would be able to tell after a few hours of play, if you didn't notice a difference until after you lost then it's just an excuse. If 30k was paid off and 50k was bet between dozens? of people on the side then it'll never get paid off if it hasn't been now. If it's the same/similar issue he had w Archer then Oscar isn't gambling on pool so much that he's gambling on whether or not he'll ever get paid even if he wins. The more people involved with the bet would FORCE you to make sure ALL of each side is POSTED, otherwise BOTH sides are gambling on pool and payment even if they do happen to win which is nutty.

Oscar should've asked the owners permission to adjust the table, now if Guama owned the table that'd be entirely different. One ball was hit a bit over pocket speed and went backwards instead of into the pocket which shouldn't happen on any 9 foot table.

GideonF said:

The unanswered question (as far as I can see) is what Guama and his team knew about Oscar tightening the bolts. Oscar said he did it openly.

If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.

If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.

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If they knew, they mighta just gone ahead and played through. They win, they win. They lose, they call foul.

The unanswered question (as far as I can see) is what Guama and his team knew about Oscar tightening the bolts. Oscar said he did it openly.

If Guama or his team saw Oscar doing this, then to me they could either demand the bolts be loosened or call off the match. I don’t think they can play with knowledge and complain later.

If Oscar did it openly but not in view of Guama or his team, I think they’ve got a point. I don’t think Oscar is cheating if that’s what happened, but I don’t think you can change the playing conditions without the opponent’s knowledge.

After a lot of hard work put in, anytime I needed to I could focus on a dead straight stroke and deliver with zero side. Not as common as no thought at all but when I need to deliver perfectly straight I can. Let's me take advantage of the rare straight in shot that is near table length. I forget about the object ball, aim at the piece of pocket straight behind it. Anybody can hammer a cue ball straight into a pocket right? Exactly how I shoot these shots. Just aim to make the cue ball in the pocket, the object ball happens to be in the way.

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maha said:

what sent pool into the dumps in the u.s. is the opening of casinos all over. pool players took to them in droves and keep themselves broke and out of action.

also many took up poker where you had a chance of winning more and had constant action.

the young players had internet and phones to entertain them and were more social which doesn't fit into pool.

we have had some resurgence with leagues but most of those are occasional players and bangers from what ive seen.

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I think you gotta figure in the real estate nazis. All upscale.

King T said:

Why all the complaining about Fargo rated handicap tournaments???? Everybody handicaps Action matches its called getting spotted!! Theres nobody thats every played Pool that hasn't asked for or been asked for a spot, NOBODY!! So get over the Fargo thing and play!

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Might as well I guess. Giving a spot and winning feels great. Getting a spot and losing is, well, uh, humbling lol

Texas Carom Club said:

I wonder how can a table be altered for one player to play good
But not for the other

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if fixed to roll differently from what the other expects. same with banks. and idiosyncrasy on specific points on rails.

especially if the other person is familiar with the table as it was.. which i believe was the case and the point of playing on that table.

He brought a faulty setup closer into spec. I imagine he knows enough to feel in the torque to his liking but what of it? It's like aiming a shot:

Hey you make too much adjust on da boll...