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Thomas Wayne Northwest cues

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bamadog said:
Have any of you guys owned or played with one of Wayne's Northwest cues?
I found this very interesting story and analysis on Google AI.
Thomas Wayne's "Northwest" cues are exceptionally close to South West cues in both appearance and structural physics, as they were explicitly engineered by Wayne to mimic and rival them. The line was born from a legendary 1990s American Cuemakers Association (ACA) gathering where South West founder Jerry Franklin allegedly boasted, "Nobody can make a cue like I can," to which Alaska-based master cuemaker Thomas Wayne famously responded, "I can." To prove his point, Wayne created the "Northwest" series.Thomas Wayne cloned the visual signature of South West cues with extreme precision: The "Bottle Nose" Taper: Northwest cues feature the highly distinct, thick forward flare (bottle-nose taper) on the forearm that is synonymous with South West. Points and Veneers: They feature the traditional South West style 6-point layout (often 3 high, 3 low) with razor-sharp colored veneer miters. Ring Work: They replicate the Southwestern theme decorative ring blocks and accent bands. The Aesthetic Difference: While a South West cue focuses heavily on a raw, satin-finished "player" vibe, Thomas Wayne is an American Cuemakers Hall of Fame master known for flawless, glass-like high-gloss finishes and microscopically tight tolerances. Side-by-side, the Northwest cue often looks slightly more "refined" or cleanly finished than a standard South West.
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can you give some side by side comparisons?
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Justin Bergman vs Tom Cousins

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westcoast said:
If all of the odd rules are a factor, maybe any future match ups should just use normal American 8 ball rules- one ball on the spot rather than the 8 ball on the break, dirty combos after the break allowed and shooting forward on frozen balls. Also, call your pocket. I like watching UP matches- especially the shot clock, but I think their rules are mostly stupid and should be changed.
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That's what I posted about. They start a new league, how do we stand out from the other league. We change where you spot the money ball, we call all fouls, you don't touch any ball or catch a cue ball as it scratches, put on a shot and game clock, on and on.
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Justin Bergman vs Tom Cousins

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westcoast said:
If all of the odd rules are a factor, maybe any future match ups should just use normal American 8 ball rules- one ball on the spot rather than the 8 ball on the break, dirty combos after the break allowed and shooting forward on frozen balls. Also, call your pocket. I like watching UP matches- especially the shot clock, but I think their rules are mostly stupid and should be changed.
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Why not English 8 ball in the future? Seems a little embarrassing if we insist on only matching up with our rules and equipment.
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Cue Design: Unpopular opinion?

Bavafongoul
Cocobolo Cowboy is absolutely spot on with his observation and approach.
I drive a 2015 Honda Accord, 4 cylinder, and get 39-40 mpg on the highway
set on cruise control. In town, 28-30 mpg. and it is reliable, comfortable,
68k miles and I listen to XM Radio Channel 31…..Tom Petty Radio.

Now most of my friends drive newer cars, have payments, higher insurance
premiums, get less mileage and we both get back and forth to where we either
wanted or needed to go using our cars. My approach is also more economical.

A cue is just a tool. It does not need to have sparkle and luster or colors. It’s why
I’ve always been a fan of Sneaky Pete Cues. Simple as can be but it performs
every bit as good as a cue costing thousands more. I went fancy because I want
my kids and grandkids to have something special, unique, one of a kind pool cue.

Passing along a collection of Sneaky Pete cues just didn’t have sizzle, cosmetic
desirability in contrast with a Sneaky Pete design. If they are going to inherit one of
their dad’s or grandpa’s cues, it had to be a pool cue that had high curbside appeal.

Getting back to Covobolo’s post, he is absolutely right but don’t discuss this with
too many others, whatever that might be. Remembers there are cue makers that
build cues as a livelihood and I’d like to see these people remain in business for
selfish reasons. I like see what they are currently making or cues recently made.
Despite having a soft spot for Sneaky Pete cues, I’d rather view pics of custom cues.
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Thomas Wayne Northwest cues

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Have any of you guys owned or played with one of Wayne's Northwest cues?
I found this very interesting story and analysis on Google AI.
Thomas Wayne's "Northwest" cues are exceptionally close to South West cues in both appearance and structural physics, as they were explicitly engineered by Wayne to mimic and rival them. The line was born from a legendary 1990s American Cuemakers Association (ACA) gathering where South West founder Jerry Franklin allegedly boasted, "Nobody can make a cue like I can," to which Alaska-based master cuemaker Thomas Wayne famously responded, "I can." To prove his point, Wayne created the "Northwest" series.Thomas Wayne cloned the visual signature of South West cues with extreme precision: The "Bottle Nose" Taper: Northwest cues feature the highly distinct, thick forward flare (bottle-nose taper) on the forearm that is synonymous with South West. Points and Veneers: They feature the traditional South West style 6-point layout (often 3 high, 3 low) with razor-sharp colored veneer miters. Ring Work: They replicate the Southwestern theme decorative ring blocks and accent bands. The Aesthetic Difference: While a South West cue focuses heavily on a raw, satin-finished "player" vibe, Thomas Wayne is an American Cuemakers Hall of Fame master known for flawless, glass-like high-gloss finishes and microscopically tight tolerances. Side-by-side, the Northwest cue often looks slightly more "refined" or cleanly finished than a standard South West.
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Is isolated straight-stroke practice really worth the time???

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BRKNRUN said:
Here is your "key"....You can't force a straight stroke.....I mean you can try to force it straight a million times "practicing" a straight stroke. but under pressure a "forced" straight stroke will fail. A crooked stroke is magnified by pressure, amount of force applied, or using english.

In reality.....the stroke is actually just a "result" of 4 non moving pieces....which is all you really can control. Grip, Stance, Posture, Alignment. Change any or all of them and it changes your stroke.....Your "natural" stroke....which is the one you want under pressure...is just a result of those 4 pieces. It must must must be natural.....Now if it is not perfectly straight but pockets balls all day long....(some pros) no need to change something that "naturally" works.....as long as it is not forced.

I use a device I 3D printed from time to time that goes on my tip and tells me if my stroke is crooked and/or twisting. I just adjust my grip, stance, posture, alignment so that It stays straight. I can play full racks with it on, and I can also use it to dial in actual amounts of 1/2 tip and full tip english.
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Top one has the wings and will let you know if you are twisting the cue during the stroke. (curling your wrist)
Second one does the same as above but you can use the pointers on top to dial in tips of english (or center CB)
Third one is the one I would use to play full racks....It will still let you know if you are twisting on certain shots.....and the tips will help dial in reference to actual tip amounts being applied.


Also......Akin to the scotch tape on the tip practice routine.........I made a center ball practice cap. Get off center ball at all and you will miscue.
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Thank you BRKNRUN... It's an appealing concept that it "must must must be natural." And also that the straightness of the stroke is a "result" of the other four setup elements.

It certainly feels better not to try to force the straightness of it. But I still have this nagging suspicion that if it's not more consistently straight in the follow through, then it may well often not be straight at contact either, even though obviously many times it is straight at that instant of contact.

But I love your assumption that if the four set up elements are correct it will lead toward a straight stroke, rather than forcing a straight stroke. I do pay a lot of attention to those four elements you mentioned, but certainly some modification to one or more of them could make the difference to end up with a more naturally straight stroke.

I'm going to see an experienced instructor next week , so maybe they will be able to pick up on what's currently making it UNnatural to be straight...

Got back on the table today after a couple of weeks and everything felt great, of course (and more natural). I didn't attempt to do the mighty X follow the cue ball in drill though, except for one time and the cue ball did follow in. So I smartly quit while I was ahead!! 🤣

PS. LOVE your 3D training aids. I have used crude versions of those for the same reasons. (And vision center gadgets also). Looks like you could market those?! Of course if they started to sell well, 100 other people would copy you 🤔

Thanks again!
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Is isolated straight-stroke practice really worth the time???

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dquarasr said:
Disclaimer: not an instructor!!

Been there, done that (more times than I care to admit).

Were you missing on both sides, or just to one side? This could point to the root cause if it’s mostly to one side.

And yes, when trying to correct an issue, your game has every likelihood of degrading, even significantly. Sometimes ya just gotta power through it until you get it back.

Best of luck!!!
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Thanks dq... Yes, the cue ball would tend to miss (follow) to the left a little, up to half a diamond or so sometimes. I pretty much know what the options were for why the cue ball was going left, and I don't think there was spin on the cue ball. Diagnostically, since my back hand was going to the right and the tip going to the left, I'm assuming that the stroke was going a little left at contact rather than inadvertent spin on the cue ball. But I can't say that I'm sure about that.. I'm seeing a good instructor soon again so maybe they can decipher what's going on . Thanks again
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