GB9 Ball Tour Tight pockets

There is, I think, an important thing commonly missed when people analyze easy vs hard equipment. I'll illustrate with a particular scenario. You're playing 9-Ball, and there are 5 balls on the table that are not tied up but you are starting with a long shot. Let's compare this situation on easy and hard tables and imagine your opponent is similarly skilled as you.

Three things can happen when you try to get out from here
A: you succeed
B: You fail and your opponent also fails and returns control of the game to you
C: You fail and your opponent either gets out or retains control of the game

The chance of direct success, i.e., A, can be very different on easy vs hard equipment. It might be 65% on the easy table and 35% on the hard table. It is important not to look at this in isolation, though, and conclude incorrectly that the GAME is easier on easy equipment. Though failure is less likely on the easy equipment, that failure being punished is more likely. And these things kind of balance out.

Easy equipment:
A: 65% chance you succeed
B: 35% that you failed X 35% that your opponent subsequently fails returning control to you (12%)
C: 35% that you failed X 65% that your opponent wins the game or retains control (23%)
Tough equipment:
A: 35% chance you succeed
B: 65% that you failed X 65% that your opponent subsequently fails returning control to you (42%)
C: 65% that you failed X 35% that your opponent wins the game or retains control (23%)

In both cases, you are looking at about a 77% chance of overall success (A or B) and a 23% chance of failure (C). So you should be sweating about the same amount staring at that long shot on either table despite that shot looking easier on the easy table.

So given that your opponent effectively gets better as the equipment gets easier, there is a sense in which the GAME in the bigger picture is pretty independent of the equipment and really depends primarily on your opponent. That's not a bad thing.

Jimmy Matz

I had been driving up to Leisure Lanes from Reading while visiting friends there. Leisure Lanes had GC's that played well A few of the players knew Jimmy & Ace. Had a good time. Just recently I was visiting old friends in Berks County & found Club Med in New Holland, PA on line & drove up. It was worth the drive as it's one of the best if not the best poolrooms I've ever been to. Have you been there? I went to York College in the 60's & plated in both rooms, 1 on Market & the other on George. I also played in a straight pool league that had quite a few very good players. Father & son Franklin & John Hubbard & a young player from Hanover named Kenny. Any of those names familiar?

Just so you know, Ace is still around and playing well and still a real gentleman.

GB9 Ball Tour Tight pockets

Consider two players:
Greg is a US player rated 670 who plays almost exclusively on easy tables
Johan is a European player rated 670 who plays almost exclusively on tight tables

What does that mean that they are rated the same?

It means they have the same SKILL in a broader sense than just proficiency playing a particular game on a particular table. If Johan visited Greg and they played on the easy equipment, Greg would probably win. But it is not because Greg is a better player. It is because Johan suffers from unfamiliarity with the conditions. Same thing in the other direction: If Greg visited Johan and played on the tougher equipment, Johan would probably win.

What is the difference between Greg losing to Johan because of "unfamiliarity" and Greg losing to Johan because of "less skill"? The difference is the response to modest (dozens or hundreds of hours) play. If Greg visited Johan for a month and played against him for a few hours a day on his tough equipment, Greg would be keeping up with Johan by the end. Actual skill is much much harder to change.
Your example might be correct for that particular scenario.

But here is a different scenario:
Greg is a 680 player who only plays bar tables with big pockets.
John is a 680 player who only plays 9ft tables with tight pockets.
The players are playing each other in a tournament, let’s say, the US Open. Race to 11. Who will win?
If Fargo rating is used to determine handicap, then it’s a bit off.
I also think that players show different skill level at different games and one rating for all games is not that accurate.
It might give a general idea about the player’s skill level, but I think that it’s given too much weight.

Funny pic/gif thread...

What’s the problem?

I’ve had a beaver pond/dams directly below my deck in Colorado for decades - all they’ve ever done to me is be cute.

Bears, on the other hand (also cute, but...)

pj
chgo
For me, the beavers have turned an area of well over 10 acres into a swamp. This was really good hunting land prior to the beavers flooding it, and now it's covered with water. I get your point though, there is a whole different variety of wildlife that is present due to it being flooded.


Beaver flu is real so be careful in the water. Destroy the dams and be aware new beaver will move in the old haunts as there will be scent there for years.
I shot two last year and the water level dropped significantly. It's back to that prior level again, so more beavers moved back in. This is an area that is adjoining another area that beavers took over a few years before that. If I look at the satellite GIS maps, which go back to the mid 1990s for this area, the progression of the beaver ponds on that area of the land is obvious. Their ponds are almost like terraces, with newer ones being about 2-3 feet lower in elevation than the prior one, and less defined since newer ponds have more standing timber in them. My permit allows me to tear down dams that are less than 2 years old, so only this newly flooded area fits that. That means I have to leave the older dams in place, but the beavers are still subject to other actions.

GB9 Ball Tour Tight pockets

What about a player that only plays in the US on easy tables and not facing that many European players?
I’m sure that most of the 700 and under players probably fit here.
Consider two players:
Greg is a US player rated 670 who plays almost exclusively on easy tables
Johan is a European player rated 670 who plays almost exclusively on tight tables

What does that mean that they are rated the same?

It means they have the same SKILL in a broader sense than just proficiency playing a particular game on a particular table. If Johan visited Greg and they played on the easy equipment, Greg would probably win. But it is not because Greg is a better player. It is because Johan suffers from unfamiliarity with the conditions. Same thing in the other direction: If Greg visited Johan and played on the tougher equipment, Johan would probably win.

What is the difference between Greg losing to Johan because of "unfamiliarity" and Greg losing to Johan because of "less skill"? The difference is the response to modest (dozens or hundreds of hours) play. If Greg visited Johan for a month and played against him for a few hours a day on his tough equipment, Greg would be keeping up with Johan by the end. Actual skill is much much harder to change.

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