SSP said:

You could always lie to your friends and say I played SVB once for a C note, I had him but got lucky.....

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He'll be at Skinny Bob's in a couple weeks; I could probably make that actually happen. The playing, probably not the lucky.

Kris_b1104 said:

Are you an idiot? You must be allergic to proof and evidence.

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Allergic? Evidence? Idiot? Is this where I should threaten to slap you like you did me? Maybe I can manufacture some outrage so I can threaten you?

Again, you make me laugh, have a great day

Not directed at anyone in particular but after competing at many things one of the funniest things I have found is that many people will argue that the rules of physics don't apply to a particular pursuit.

Most would agree that gravity, inertia, and inclined planes apply consistently. I had dozens of posts disagreeing that these things matter. A few years after I left that forum a friend notified me that a new thread had been started titled "Hu is Wrong!" The funny thing, they were now agreeing these things existed and affected motion and only disagreed about magnitude. Since these things and the propulsion were variable, well except gravity for the most part, we were now in agreement. There were two hundred and fifty posts in the Hu is wrong thread now agreeing with me while saying I was wrong so I didn't bother to post!

Physics are consistent and immutable for the most part. What I do find over and over is that people refuse to consider all factors. Basically they scream two plus two is four! True enough, but the equation you need has at least ten other variables! I wasted a week in a test lab to prove to my boss that while two plus two is four, two plus two plus a plus b plus c etc, ain't!

Concerning stroke not mattering, it matters a lot. It affects the movement of the cue stick significantly which is roughly three times the weight of the cue ball, why would we think it wouldn't affect the cue ball?

Hu

From Google searching McDermott VQR
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The McDermott Defy (VQR) is a high-performance carbon fiber pool cue shaft featuring a Viking Quick Release joint, designed to fit Viking cues

We have a good discussion related to this in another thread.

Kris_b1104 said:

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This was 9 days ago. You are obsessed with me. You respond to my posts when I'm not even replying to you, so you obviously can't ignore me even if you tried. And you're a LIAR.

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You 2 clowns have so much anger, I just laugh at both of you. Too easy

You're the one going back 9 days blah blah blah

lfigueroa said:

OK, so let me ask you: what do you estimate to be the number of shots, at different speeds, on a 9’ pool table, from the tiniest nooge for a safety, to a 1pocket takeout a table’s width away? Then, just for fun, let’s add in shots at different speeds with different english. Others have mentioned jump shots and shots near a rail so let’s add them.

Which leads me to ask whether you believe the exact same stroke is best to achieve optimum outcomes for all of those shots?

Personally, my experience has been that different strokes help me produce the outcomes I want for different shots, given different speeds and spins. IOWs, my stroke for the nooge with english is going to be different than my stroke for a jacked up power draw.

What say you?

Lou Figueroa

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We disconnected on the definition of stroke, read above and let me know if you agree with this.

DeeDeeCues said:

Your premise of not needing different strokes is flawed. The physics doesn't change, but there are several reasons to develop different strokes.

The easiest is a jump shot. Nobody uses the exact strike for a jump shot as they do for a normal shot.

Then there's are other factors that absolutely require differences in a stroke to some degree. When the cueball is on the rail or very close to another ball necessitates differences in mechanics. Reach shots and mechanical bridge shots are also different.

None of these entail any sort of magic, and the goal is always to deliver an accurate and relatable cuestick vector, but because players are human one can't simply simplify them to the same abilities of a robot.

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Yeah I agree with all of this. Part of the problem is what the word "stroke" really means.

Does it mean the final instant of contact?
Does it mean the intended motion profile of the cue movement?
Does it include someone's personal fundamental setup and stance?
Is it the entire mental approach to the table, including endurance?

I've heard it as all of those things, and I originally used it as the first definition I listed.
It is somewhere in the middle of all that above.

What I am trying to express, and have so far been failing at with poor articulation, is that it is unnecessary to deliberately add additional axial and radial movement to your final stroke with the expectation that it will cause augmented manipulation of the cue ball, rather than initially aiming for the location on the cue ball that resulted from the additional movements at the time of contact.

Whew.

Take this and apply whatever definition of stroke you want and I'll be happy with that.

fastone371 said:

Its not often you find a Schon without a stainless joint.

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triley41395 said:

Definitely looks similar but looks like wrong joint, wrong butt cap and wrong bumper. Can't tell the date on the cue but points are sharp so it would have to be old or custom. No name on butt??

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Yes the bumper is different, the wrap being leather, I have a Schon with a leather wrap, The joint, while rare, I have seen many especially when I lived in Racine. The only thing that actually concerns me is the butt cap. I had an early Schon, one of the earliest. It was an 82 possibly earlier one of a kind. I went there, looked at a bunch of cues laying on a pool table, picked bits and pieces from ea and they made it. Not sure when the sharp points ended, but mine were perfect, it was an incredible cue.
Anyway the only thing that concerns me is the bumper. The butt cap could have been replaced as many crack them and if you don't have Schon do it, very few I would assume can replicate the logo. The rings are dead ringers for Schons and I have never seen them elsewhere. Who knows, you asked for opinions and these are mine. Put it on the Schon facebook site, I'm sure someone there will know.

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Yes, Efren Reyes used a Schon cue during the earlier part of his career, with reports indicating he was using one around 1984 in Angeles City. While he is famous for using a $10 homemade cue in 1985 and later using JFlowers or custom cues, he did play with Schon equipment during his rise to international fame.

Taxi said:

Are we ever going to be able to get full length videos of the last two rounds of the Bigfoot? Accu-Stats did an infinitely better job of DCC than xpool.

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not sure what you mean. they were livestreamed yesterday, full length, and still available on xpool

jax_joe said:

of course banks getting bumped again as usual, and now they are going to show 1P on the Noon Arena stream.

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The Banks match is at 2;00