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Fore Rail said:

Okay let's drift further into fantasy land.

Player A breaks and makes 6 solids. While making the 7th player A also makes the 8 ball.

What's the score?

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Player A loses. Pocketing the 8 early is loss of game. FYI, all the detailed rules can be found via the links here:

iusedtoberich said:

I disagree. Extending the unlikely scenario further, what if all 14 solids and stripes were made illegally, and only the 8 was left. Shouldn't the player at the table with the first "legal" shot win?

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Okay let's drift further into fantasy land.

Player A breaks and makes 6 solids. While making the 7th player A also makes the 8 ball.

What's the score?

dr_dave said:

If "solids were never legally chosen," then they are still available (even with only the 8 remaining).

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Here's what you are going to hear.

How can they still be available if none are on the table?

Cord said:

I think the Shootouts are kind of a "bonus" event, whose primary purpose is to be a show for the spectators.

Working, imo. They're tremendous fun to watch.

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The Shootout AND the Mixed Doubles are for the spectators. Invitation only, and they do have an entry fee, but the Open is the big ticket!

Fore Rail said:

I would agree that your example has a very low probability of happening.

I am thinking there will be many arguing that the solids were never legally chosen & therefore the 8 ball cannot be shot to win the game. In that situation just about everyone would say the incoming player has to shoot the stripes because of the above.

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I disagree. Extending the unlikely scenario further, what if all 14 solids and stripes were made illegally, and only the 8 was left. Shouldn't the player at the table with the first "legal" shot win?

I like the updates mentioned. The unintentional scoop shot as a foul was a bad idea, imo. For 50 years it was not a foul, then all of a sudden last year some Eurotour refs started calling it a foul to everyone's surprise. Good to fix that.

I'm not so keen on all ball fouls. I doubt any local events will ever go by it, just like 50 years later they don't go by the center of the ball.

I have not checked the written rules yet (only watched the video), but since Dave and Bob are on the committee, one vocabulary term that always bothered me is "base of the ball". If it's still there, it should be changed to "center of the ball", imo. The reason is, I've seen some players argue with me that the approx 1/4" wide "patch" that is touching the cloth counts, rather than the exact center only.

ngtvd said:

I bought a Rhino break shaft recently. Changed the tip to a Kamui Sai and used it for about a month before the ferrule completely ripped apart, taking the tip with it. Heard about several other people having the same issue. I have 2 of their playing shafts in 30 and 29 and think they play great and are worthy of the hype but the break shaft sucks ass in my experience.

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I had to replace the insert in one of their 'break' shafts and the way the plastic looks, and the way it machined as I remove the insert remains, makes me think they are using white acrylic (plexiglas). Cast? Extruded? Who knows, but cast acrylic should be stronger, and still not what I'd install as insert in a break shaft. I replaced the Rhino insert with PPSU. PPSU is a very glue friendly engineering plastic originally dreamed up for the healthcare industry, and you can beat it on an anvil with a hammer and it won't break - it will deform under the ball pein hammer test, but not break. Can't say the same for acrylic. PPSU is my go-to insert material now for CF play AND break/jump shafts, unless someone requests something different.

I think the Shootouts are kind of a "bonus" event, whose primary purpose is to be a show for the spectators.

Working, imo. They're tremendous fun to watch.

I’m one that tried Bullitproof and did not like them. I went back to Outsville Techno
Dud.