iusedtoberich said:

I played on the GC7 last night at the Expo. I was on it a good hour around midnight. I'll cut right to the chase... it plays like a Gold Crown, not a Diamond! Thank the devil!

The cushions are Artemis, and they have a large round nose radius, like the Diamond do. But they play zero like it!!!! According to the interviews posted last year, the cushion was custom made for the GC7. With my eye, and the cushions covered in cloth, the cushions did look exactly the same between the GC7 and the Diamond.

When the ball hits the rail, some speed is noticeably scrubbed off of the ball. This is the opposite of Diamond where sometimes it seems to the eye the ball even picks up speed. (Yes, I KNOW that is impossible).

Playing the CB 4 rails up and down from the spot without bouncing just barely got to the 4th rail with a slightly above center hit. With a slightly below center hit it got there. The cloth was brand new, and the "high karate" had a big effect, so tip placement was crucial. On the Diamond 20 feet away, the CB went about 2 diamonds further on the same hit.

The rebound angle was much different than a Diamond. I played the corner 5 system, and shot THRU diamond 3 on rail 1, with a bit of high outside. On the GC7, I actually pocketed the CB a couple of times! The other times the CB was a couple inches from being pocketed on the short side. I've never seen that outside of a carom table! On the Diamond 20 feet away, the same shot took me about 1.5 diamonds from the corner on the short side.

Both tables had brand new cloth. The Diamond had Simonis, unsure if 860 or 860HR. The GC7 IDK what it had, I assume Brunswick's own brand.

I may go back tonight and try to record some shots back to back on the two tables and make a video out of it.

I'm happy I hope this table takes over!

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So, are you saying you like the new Gold Crown VII?

And you like it more than a Diamond?

Or did I misunderstand?

straightline said:

820 nonetheless. Waiting for higher standards and screw the number. 350 on 4" holes for starters. No contact penalties maybe no penalties at all. Like racing. Players might go for it. Come. Get loose. Post a number. Long live Lou Butera....

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Racing has more rules than Carter has liver pills! The World of Outlaws started out great. That died when they couldn't beat local cars with big engines on big tracks so they outlawed the cars they couldn't beat. Then they became one more racing organization. Fantastic racing but they aren't outlaw racing anymore. Supermodified did the same thing. Indy likewise. Racing has a long history of outlawing what they couldn't beat.

Pool with no limits would be ridiculous. What is wrong with seven inch pockets? How about ten inch pockets? As for the no fouls, I have demonstrated the problem several times over the years. "Cue ball fouls only" has never been anything but a name for a set of rules, never real in my over fifty years of playing. Somebody move multiple balls with their hands or side of their stick and tell me cue ball fouls only. I got up and raked all the balls with my stick except the money ball then tapped it in. "Cue ball fouls only." This was in gambling matches so I stuck my hand out! They whined like the bitches they were! Oddly enough, we soon sorted out what "cue ball fouls only" meant and went back to playing. I had the break so I could have raked the balls and stuck my hand out all night with the rules they originally tried to play by to make moving about four balls legal!

They are taking advantage of today's equipment and no rules for these runs. It makes the runs meaningless in the context of breaking Willie's run. Things have changed too much. It appears that Willie's run will stand forever and new runs will be established that are in no way related to Willie's. I'm fine with a run what you brung ruleset. If somebody puts up big money with no rules the high run will become thousands.

I played on a table with bucket pockets one night. I didn't time it but I got on the table daylight one day and the action ended when the last few people had to go straight to work the next day about eight AM. I never lost a game. I didn't count games while it was going on but it was a challenge table at five a game and I started with one five. When I counted fives the next day I had over eight hundred in fives plus the money I spent without counting. I bought beer for four of us all night.

The place wasn't much over an hour from home so I tried again about a month later. I played three games and all the challenges were pulled off the table. I tried again about three or four months after the second try. I put up my challenge and all other challenges were pulled. A fine example of the equipment being too loose and few rules. The only things I had to be careful of were scratching or making an early eight ball.

Hu